CFZ Jason Garrett vs Mike McCarthy

[TheMarathonContinues]

Spending 9.5 years on Garrett was a major indictment that Jerry has no business being a GM.
It was obvious after the first few seasons that Garrett was not a high quality HC.
Instead of replacing Garrett, Jerry doubled down and wasted years of this franchise.

Kind of amazing he is we able to coach the Romo and Dak era and to similar results. But

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I never felt like they hired the best candidate possible. They’ve had some horrible coaching decisions and I feel McCarthy was one. It’s working out but how they hired him was silly.

As I recall, the alternatives at the time were Marvin Lewis, Lincoln Riley, and one other coach. I think, of these, Mike was probably the best option. I can understand Jerry wanting an experienced coach, as opposed to another apprentice like Riley would've been. Lewis would've been a decent option, but he's very similar to Garrett, so it likely would've been just a change for the sake of change. So, of those, I think Mike probably was the best option. Not to mention an event that year that really damaged things. Ultimately, I think we are heading in a better direction. What happens after this season, I don't know. But I like where this team is going. I like the mentality.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Kind of amazing he is we able to coach the Romo and Dak era and to similar results. But

That's also kind of why I'm mentioning JG. Imagine if we had a McCarthy or better instead of Garrett. As I recall, the Ravens wanted to interview him and went with Harbaugh. Who knows how we'd have fared if we, instead, went with Harbaugh?

 

[john van brocklin]

Exactly, and I think it was clear after 2013 that the trajectory of the franchise under Garrett wasn't promising. With Mike, we have a promising future, imo. That's one of the differences.

Yes, I feel like Mike has sb coaching abilities.

 

[john van brocklin]

Kind of amazing he is we able to coach the Romo and Dak era and to similar results. But

Imagine a top notch HC
Coaching these 2 QBs?
What a waste of their talents.
What a waste of several seasons.

 

[jterrell]

Mike has obviously proven quite a lot more.
This is seen largely in the fact he is a head coach while Jason is not.

When Garrett was fired I thought he needed to go take a college head coaching job in the NYC area. Princeton, Rutgers even Temple.

He was simply not cut out to develop a QB and failing that with a raw Daniel Jones he was always going to be fired.
JG was a bad OC who was better as a walk-around head coach.
He needed to really be introduced to modern offensive stuff and college is a place to get ahead of the NFL cycle.
A good 4-5 year run in college and he likely would have been back and possibly into a good NFL job.

As I note in other threads Dallas has the 7th best record of the last 10 years.
They haven't been great or even really good but they have been " pretty good".

I'm not going to bag on the front office for hiring Jason as they knew him since he was a kid, had him as player and saw him work for Nick Saban.
I do think pushing him out in front of Wade was wildly optimistic at best and premature.
But I do think Dallas correctly assessed (eventually) that JG needed to be a walk around head coach and consensus builder not a play caller.
A mistake NYG made after plenty of evidence in Dallas.

In Dallas JG's HC stuff got old. His "process" was to bore the team and fan base to 8-8 every year.
I've had Directors just like that and it is good to calm waters but never seems a long-term solution.

End of day if Patrick Crayton catches an easy one we might have been in a SB under JG and Romo.

 

[Diehardblues]

I mean, it begs the question as to who can win under them if that's the case? As you stated, we actually have an experienced HC who has a long history of winning a lot of games (reg and postseason with 1 Lombardi).

Time will tell my friend .

Im not sure any HC can overcome our dysfunctional ownership and toxic atmosphere.

 

[lostar2009]

I give MM this, he knew what we needed last year to win. But the team (offense) came up short.

 

[Stash]

Counterpoint, why was that? Why was it different that Mike now has Quinn, and Garrett stuck with Marinelli when it became clear that he was past his sellby date on defence? I'd suggest that Mike likely requested a better coach on defence. Surely Garrett could've asked for an upgrade over Marinelli who was DC here from 2014-2019.

Stephen Jones credited McCarthy with “bringing in” Dan Quinn in the pre-draft press conference just the other day.

I had long wondered whose idea that was and they finally answered it.

 

[krs1bro]

ahhhh.....the clapper.

 

[Big_D]

The first 3 years of Garrett vs the first 3 years of MM, no comparison and to try to compare them is silly. The teams that Garrett inherited were bad. Bad players, old players, bad contracts and no cap. The first 2 years where trying to rebuild a roster with very little but draft to work with.. the 3 year, I think we could have done something, at least make the playoffs that year but so many injuires to the DL that year, it made a bad D, pathetic. In 2014, We should have gone to the at least the NFCCG if 29 could hold on to the ball and if the refs knew what a catch was.

But either way, Garrett didn't get the job done and he is gone. MM so far hasn't gotten the job done and will be gone soon enough. so I don't see why it even matters really, coaching does matter, but we just don't have a good coach and that is wha really matters.

Inherited? That's funny like he wasn't here and part of the problem. He had Jerry's ear before the HC was even hired.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Stephen Jones credited McCarthy with “bringing in” Dan Quinn in the pre-draft press conference just the other day.

I had long wondered whose idea that was and they finally answered it.

Well, there we go. That's what I'm saying. How come Garrett wasn't able to do that?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Inherited? That's funny like he wasn't here and part of the problem. He had Jerry's ear before the HC was even hired.

Exactly, he was OC with us prior to becoming HC, so that excuse likely doesn't fly.

 

[DallasEast]

Jason Garrett vs Mike McCarthy​

Is that pay per view? Not sure if it would be worth paying for. The fight would be over 10 seconds after McCarthy sat on him.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Imagine a top notch HC
Coaching these 2 QBs?
What a waste of their talents.
What a waste of several seasons.

Counterpoint, I think a coach like Harbaugh, who the Ravens chose over Garrett, would've been a great choice for Romo. His coaching style would've done well for him. Plus, with what I've seen with him and Lamar, I could see him developing Dak to be even more than what he is now.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Is that pay per view? Not sure if it would be worth paying for. The fight would be over 10 seconds after McCarthy sat on him.

And Garrett would be clapping the whole way.

 

[Big_D]

Exactly, he was OC with us prior to becoming HC, so that excuse likely doesn't fly.

Plus Jerry's intentions were pretty clear from day 1. Garrett was the future and the boss was listening to his 'ideas' to build and improve the team.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Plus Jerry's intentions were pretty clear from day 1. Garrett was the future and the boss was listening his 'ideas' to build and improve the team.

Exactly, so, it's his own fault the talent was "aging". Which, again, shows the importance of coaching.

 

[Stash]

Well, there we go. That's what I'm saying. How come Garrett wasn't able to do that?

Because Garrett was never head coaching material and was in over his head. And he had few coaching associations. None of them good.

The one time they did take his advice, it brought us the disaster that was Monte Kiffin. A formerly good coach that Garrett knew, one that the game had long passed by. And that association brought the equally outdated Rod Marinelli. One mistake begetting another.

The Jason Garrett era will go down in Cowboys history as Jerry Jones’ greatest mistake.

 

[noshame]

Will McClay Dan Quinn
Without them MM gone year 2.

I'll take the clap over arms-crossed any day

Wait!