Jason Garrett's Strengths

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As a result of losing the final game three years in a row we didn't make the playoffs. We were literally going to the playoffs if we win these games. Since we didn't win any of the "win or go home games"....the narrative changes that we were lucky to even get to that point of being a .500 team? There's something about eating cake here or something.

Those were bad rosters with horrid defenses. That he almost got the worst defense in history to the playoffs should be in his favor.

 

[BigStar]

Those were bad rosters with horrid defenses. That he almost got the worst defense in history to the playoffs should be in his favor.

Did Garrett get his participation trophy?

 

[RS12]

Jason Garrett's Strengths

Pulling the wool over Jerry's eyes.

 

[cern]

finding a better hc than garrett wouldn't be a difficult task. the problem is that our gm just won't do it. and no good hc would want to work for jerry other than for the money. which, imo, is exactly what garrett does. can't say I blame him as 5.5 million yearly isn't chicken feed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did Garrett get his participation trophy?

When you look at the records of the other teams with historically bad defenses its obvious how he overachieved getting 8-8 for all your snark.

 

[the_h0wey]

Yes you read the title correctly. I am sincerely trying to see the positives of JG as our head coach. What competitive advantage do you feel he brings to the organization?

His clapping ability is second to none.

 

[pugilist]

clapping
spitting
boring the room with tired cliches
robotic press conferences

 

[rkell87]

I've got no interest in disabusing whatever it is you choose to believe about who was calling the offense the last two years, or in how the team's drafting has changed in the interval between Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett. It's enough to point to what they've done and to recognize what's gone on. If you'd rather concoct alternate explanations with zero evidence to support them, that's perfectly ok with me.

Butler told us what we needed to know about the 16 play caller. As for everything else I've given plenty of facts that you choose to ignore and say I've given zero evidence to support them. You've concocted a Jason Garrett narrative that he is in control of the entire organization and his influence in the operations have been good when I've shown that to be false. Everything he touches turns to garbage and his reach has been cut at every downturn. C'mon man stop, it's embarrassing.

 

[Idgit]

Did Garrett get his participation trophy?

He got a $30MM extension that I lot of people I think consider a participation trophy.

One note, though. I want to make a point of distinguishing the idea that the team was well coached from the idea that the team has accomplished enough during the Garrett years. It shouldn't be all that hard to separate a coaching job from the overall performance of a team, but a guy can do a good job coaching and still have a pretty crappy team for a lot of reasons. The example I always use is John Wooden, who liked to say that his best job coaching was in a .500 season.

 

[Idgit]

Butler told us what we needed to know about the 16 play caller. As for everything else I've given plenty of facts that you choose to ignore and say I've given zero evidence to support them. You've concocted a Jason Garrett narrative that he is in control of the entire organization and his influence in the operations have been good when I've shown that to be false. Everything he touches turns to garbage and his reach has been cut at every downturn. C'mon man stop, it's embarrassing.

Lol. For the record, you guys were also saying this stuff before his $30MM extension in 2015, and again before he won Coach of the Year with a rookie QB coming in to replace Romo--the guy you're saying was calling all the shots on offense--and take the team to 13-3 and the top seed in the NFC. There isn't a reasonable argument for saying his reach has been cut or that he hasn't had a measure of success in Dallas. If you were trying to argue that it hasn't been good enough, I'd be sympathetic and probably agree with many of your arguments. That's not what your'e trying to say, though.

Here's the Brice Butler quote that I *think* you're referring to. You actually haven't given facts or evidence, just opinions here, but I tried to find the quote since I remember the interview, too:

Butler: Oh yeah for sure. I mean he was a rookie when he got in it in 2016. So it definitely was new. Tony Romo was the guy that installed the plays during the meetings during the week. He talked about all that stuff. When I first got there, I had never seen nothing like that. When I left Oakland, Derek Carr was a second-year quarterback. He was a kid. And my rookie year was Terrelle Pryor, so you know he wasn't calling the plays. So when I first got to Dallas, when I saw all the input that Tony was telling us, I was like, 'Dang, this is crazy. The coach ain't really really coaching.' Because it was his offense. [Tony was like]: 'This is what we're gonna do, Brice this is what I need you to do. Dez, this is what I need you to do. When I see this, this is where I'm coming, so be ready.' I just remember it was 2015 and I'm like, 'Dang. I understand why the offense is so crazy.' Then fast forward, Tony was still doing it and he got hurt. Now it's Dak as the quarterback, now it's moreso offensive coordinator doing things. Dak is a rookie, Dak is a second-year player, he's still learning. He doesn't know the scriptures of the offense like Tony knew the scriptures of the offense.
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My comments on the quote are 1, he's talking about Tony v. Linehan and not Tony v. Garrett, and 2, it's not actually surprising that Tony had the influence he had since it was something Jerry came out with at the time he signed the big extension. I never suggested it wasn't the case and only pointed out that the offense has been productive under Garrett under multiple coordinators, play callers, and QBs now.

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[BigStar]

He got a $30MM extension that I lot of people I think consider a participation trophy.

One note, though. I want to make a point of distinguishing the idea that the team was well coached from the idea that the team has accomplished enough during the Garrett years. It shouldn't be all that hard to separate a coaching job from the overall performance of a team, but a guy can do a good job coaching and still have a pretty crappy team for a lot of reasons. The example I always use is John Wooden, who liked to say that his best job coaching was in a .500 season.

Admittedly I won't be satisfied until we win a couple of playoff games and definitely understand your point about having coaching ability wo the talent; on the fence with Dak tbh. Romo/Ware gave him .500 talent to start with (my opinion) during the 8-8 stretch. And though I like to rag on him like most, he earned that extension for getting in the playoffs and advancing (almost to NFC champ. as we all know w the Dez catch). I was content with him, shoot even had me second guessing his ability. But when I see the other teams around the league flipping poor squads to playoff/SB winners, it does make you want more as a fan. We want that "edge" too, almost to the point of giving a no name a chance if he brings "creativity" to the table, etc.

 

[fredp22]

How bad do you want it? 4-12 didn't get it done and he rebounded and got CotY just to piss us off.

I could be wrong but the main reason I think they kept the coordinators was as sacrifices if this season goes down. I still think Garrett is family to them. His wife and Booger's daughter are best friends.

I think Stephen is a wild card here. Theres been whispering he expects more from JG and will stand up to Jerry with another poor season. Anything less than level 2 in post season shud do it.
I think putting blame with the asst coaches is Jerrys/Jasons game. Hopefully Stephen also sees thru that bs

 

[ShortRound]

 

[buybuydandavis]

He’s intelligent, organized, consistent, and able to dampen the circus atmosphere Jerry insists on cultivating. He develops players well. He keeps the team focused, and they play hard.

Most of what he does poorly is massively exaggerated by upset fans. They hated his play calling, though his offenses were generally in the top ten in the league in terms of production/series.

I agree with the good parts, but you left out his biggest failure. Game management. Situation, clock. Every year, it's good for a loss or two.

The offense has been good through what we spend on the players on offense. And Romomagic.

 

[Idgit]

Admittedly I won't be satisfied until we win a couple of playoff games and definitely understand your point about having coaching ability wo the talent; on the fence with Dak tbh. Romo/Ware gave him .500 talent to start with (my opinion) during the 8-8 stretch. And though I like to rag on him like most, he earned that extension for getting in the playoffs and advancing (almost to NFC champ. as we all know w the Dez catch). I was content with him, shoot even had me second guessing his ability. But when I see the other teams around the league flipping poor squads to playoff/SB winners, it does make you want more as a fan. We want that "edge" too, almost to the point of giving a no name a chance if he brings "creativity" to the table, etc.

That I agree with. It's incredibly frustrating seeing an ATL team with its own share of holes get farther than we've gotten. Losing twice to flawed GB teams. Worst yet was watching the Eagles go from a worse team overall in terms of talent to surpassing us in one offseason.

I thin Garrett deserves blame for his role in how long it's taken, though I think most of the issues are above him in that regard. Things like the Gregory and Jaylon picks that I was not a fan of. They've been so close, but they've blown it a couple of times now. Those whiffs actually cost you games.

 

[Idgit]

I agree with the good parts, but you left out his biggest failure. Game management. Situation, clock. Every year, it's good for a loss or two.

The offense has been good through what we spend on the players on offense. And Romomagic.

I hear that said a lot: that it costs us a game or two. I don't buy it. I do think it's cost us a couple of games throughout the Garrett years, though. He's gone from below-average to pretty mediocre in terms of game management. It's definitely not a strength of his.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I’m curious how many teams would offer him a coaching job if he was fired

Every one that needed a coach. Easy answer.

 

[rkell87]

Lol. For the record, you guys were also saying this stuff before his $30MM extension in 2015, and again before he won Coach of the Year with a rookie QB coming in to replace Romo--the guy you're saying was calling all the shots on offense--and take the team to 13-3 and the top seed in the NFC. There isn't a reasonable argument for saying his reach has been cut or that he hasn't had a measure of success in Dallas. If you were trying to argue that it hasn't been good enough, I'd be sympathetic and probably agree with many of your arguments. That's not what your'e trying to say, though.

Here's the Brice Butler quote that I *think* you're referring to. You actually haven't given facts or evidence, just opinions here, but I tried to find the quote since I remember the interview, too:

Butler: Oh yeah for sure. I mean he was a rookie when he got in it in 2016. So it definitely was new. Tony Romo was the guy that installed the plays during the meetings during the week. He talked about all that stuff. When I first got there, I had never seen nothing like that. When I left Oakland, Derek Carr was a second-year quarterback. He was a kid. And my rookie year was Terrelle Pryor, so you know he wasn't calling the plays. So when I first got to Dallas, when I saw all the input that Tony was telling us, I was like, 'Dang, this is crazy. The coach ain't really really coaching.' Because it was his offense. [Tony was like]: 'This is what we're gonna do, Brice this is what I need you to do. Dez, this is what I need you to do. When I see this, this is where I'm coming, so be ready.' I just remember it was 2015 and I'm like, 'Dang. I understand why the offense is so crazy.' Then fast forward, Tony was still doing it and he got hurt. Now it's Dak as the quarterback, now it's moreso offensive coordinator doing things. Dak is a rookie, Dak is a second-year player, he's still learning. He doesn't know the scriptures of the offense like Tony knew the scriptures of the offense.
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My comments on the quote are 1, he's talking about Tony v. Linehan and not Tony v. Garrett, and 2, it's not actually surprising that Tony had the influence he had since it was something Jerry came out with at the time he signed the big extension. I never suggested it wasn't the case and only pointed out that the offense has been productive under Garrett under multiple coordinators, play callers, and QBs now.

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Not opinion, facts that can and were just refuted by you at least partially. There's also at least one interview with Romo where he confirmed that he was in Daks ear calling plays as well. Garrett had play calling duties stripped and handed to Callahan. Fact. When that happened we went from 8-8, 8-8, 8-8 to 12-4. Fact. Garrett pushed for linehan to be brought in to be OC. Fact. Stripping OC from Callahan was the key factor in his departure. Fact. We went 4-12 when that happened. Fact. Romo preformed the most important functions of an offensive coordinator in 16. Fact. Without Romo preforming those functions linehan went 9-7 that somehow managed to be worse than going 8-8. Fact.

I say that there isn't a reasonable argument that Jason Garrett has had success in Dallas and that our 2 winning seasons in the past 7 years were in spite of Garrett and not in any way because of him.

 

[vlad]

His ability to maintain ardent supports on the Zone

 

[buybuydandavis]

I hear that said a lot: that it costs us a game or two. I don't buy it. I do think it's cost us a couple of games throughout the Garrett years, though. He's gone from below-average to pretty mediocre in terms of game management. It's definitely not a strength of his.

Arguably the last 3 losses to GB, including 2 playoff losses. Kind of a big deal. Even last year's regular season loss was a huge blow to our playoff chances.

And situation management? Atlanta. Come on. That wasn't just a disaster for that game, that affected Dak for the rest of the year.