Jason Hatcher on what’s different about Washington: The head coach isn’t policing the team

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I don't see how what Hatcher said is a good or bad thing for either team...if it works. Gruden's way in DC is an unknown. Garrett's way is still a "process" lol (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

Personally, I rather have a coach who has his fingers on the pulse of the team. Call it micro-managing or whatever, at least he knows what's going on at all times. There shouldn't be any creepy Incognito-Martin incidents going on.

True, but you also don't want a situation where certain players feel that, because they have the coach's or GM's "ear", they don't feel the need to be as accountable to their team mates. Besides, a coach can have their finger on the pulse of their team without micro-managing everything.
 

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Yeah, but in fairness to the usual complainers, four years of no playoffs is going to do that to a mob. We can't do anything right until we win, at which point we can't do anything wrong.

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It must be great since he still feels the need to call in to a Dallas radio station to squawk about it. Sounds kinda like callin your ex to let her(or him if thats your thing) know your over her.

I don't know anywhere in this article you can infer he called them, unless I missed it.
 

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I don't know anywhere in this article you can infer he called them, unless I missed it.


I didn't read that article I read this one: http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/Commanders-hatcher-‘-our-team’?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

The former Cowboys, who signed a four-year, $27.5 million contract with the Commanders in March, called in to 103.5 The Fan in Dallas Thursday night. “There’s a lot of things different here,” Hatcher said (via the Dallas Morning News). “I don’t want to go into details about it because I don’t want to get blamed like, ‘Oh, he said this about Dallas…’”
 

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True, but you also don't want a situation where certain players feel that, because they have the coach's or GM's "ear", they don't feel the need to be as accountable to their team mates. Besides, a coach can have their finger on the pulse of their team without micro-managing everything.

I don't think anything Hatch said implied the players weren't accountable to one another in Dallas, but the DC situation is different way of holding each other accountable.

As for a coach's management style, it's all a matter of preference. The important thing is that whatever style that is used, it has to work.
 

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Im just shocked you would have a response like this, just shocked.

Just speaking the truth. 8-8, 8-8, and 8-8 over the last 3 years as head coach. Learning on the job the WHOLE time too. His time here is almost over.. should have already been over.
 

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Wow, this is a tremendous pat on the back to Garrett.
 

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Just speaking the truth. 8-8, 8-8, and 8-8 over the last 3 years as head coach. Learning on the job the WHOLE time too. His time here is almost over.. should have already been over.

Then get ready for Norv Turner to be next. Jerry isn't going to hire the big name you want.
 

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You forgot another coach who didn't police his team: Joe Gibbs.

He actually took veterans aside and told them--and I quote--"This is your team". He told them he wasn't in the locker room, he wasn't with the players off the field...and that he needed the veterans to set the tone and help the players stay accountable to each other instead of just to the coaches. He told the vets that he couldn't/shouldn't do it, and that he needed the veteran players to remind the rest of the players to take ownership of the team, of each other and of everything that occurs in practice and on the field. In other words, to actually be leaders and provide the leadership every team needs.

That's not exactly a unique thing to do with the vets. Lots of coaches have done so and still do. And it's not as if this made the players no longer afraid of Gibbs if they strayed from the "foundation" Hatcher mentions...just the opposite.

Belichick's "complete control" works...if you're made up of the same stuff that Belichick is. Gibbs "players take ownership of the team" way works...if you have the right veteran players to talk to. I think Ryan Clark, Barry Cofield, Santana Moss, D'Angelo Hall (yes, Hall lol), Brian Orakpo, Trent Williams and Hatcher can be the right veteran types.

Maybe by comparison, the Cowboys are more of an employer/employee type of deal...Garrett and Jerruh micro-managing everything, veteran players' years of experience being overlooked too often...and players going to coaches to complain (or even worse, the GM) instead of handling things within the locker room among themselves ("that’s the way it’s supposed to go, through the players and not the coaches"). When you have to answer to the entire locker room and not just the coach, it makes a difference. And let's face it, it's not as if former Cowboys players haven't been talking for years about the lack of leadership on the team.

And seriously...who here really thinks Hatcher meant the players will have the ability to override the coaches on anything? lol...That's a laughable thought. So maybe he's just reflecting on how he feels he's part of a team now instead of being an employee of the Cowboys.
I named Cowboys coaches. Joe Gibbs never coached the Cowboys. I do not give a crap about your Commanders.

Want me to go even deeper? Vince Lombardi, George Halas, Don Shula, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Chuck Noll, and a slew of others...all policed their teams.
 

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I don't think anything Hatch said implied the players weren't accountable to one another in Dallas, but the DC situation is different way of holding each other accountable.

As for a coach's management style, it's all a matter of preference. The important thing is that whatever style that is used, it has to work.
I don't, either (the part in bold)...I was speaking in general terms.
 

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I named Cowboys coaches. Joe Gibbs never coached the Cowboys. I do not give a crap about your Commanders.

Want me to go even deeper? Vince Lombardi, George Halas, Don Shula, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Chuck Noll, and a slew of others...all policed their teams.

I think you need to define "policed" first before going deeper lol...
 

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Don't worry.. the agenda is in full force to make Garrett sound like the next Landry. The problem is, his defenders are all over the place in their opinions. One minute, he's getting hamstrung at every corner by Jerry and has no power, the next minute his ability to police and control the team per Hatcher's own words shows how in control he is and an example of Tom Landry.

The irony is, they don't even realize how badly they contradict themselves.
Actually the irony is a Commanders fan is coming here making it sound like Jay Gruden is following the Joe Gibbs way of doing things and you lapped it up.
 

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Actually the irony is a Commanders fan is coming here making it sound like Jay Gruden is following the Joe Gibbs way of doing things and you lapped it up.

I'm gonna have to run your posts through the Cowboys FanSpeak filter from now on, aren't I? lol...
 

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I didn't read that article I read this one: http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/Commanders-hatcher-‘-our-team’?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

The former Cowboys, who signed a four-year, $27.5 million contract with the Commanders in March, called in to 103.5 The Fan in Dallas Thursday night. “There’s a lot of things different here,” Hatcher said (via the Dallas Morning News). “I don’t want to go into details about it because I don’t want to get blamed like, ‘Oh, he said this about Dallas…’”

That can be interpreted multiple ways. A radio station for example, will come to a player or personality and ask him to speak and agree upon a date and they then call in. That's all it could be saying.
 

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I don't think I do. Cowboys fans know the differences in the coaches I listed.

No, you actually do. You're going "deeper" and listing coaches who never coached for the Cowboys, so obviously you need to tell us all what a head coach "policing" the players means in your mind.
 

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Actually the irony is a Commanders fan is coming here making it sound like Jay Gruden is following the Joe Gibbs way of doing things and you lapped it up.

Oh really, I lapped it up?

BTW, by policing I don't think it's a stretch that he means micro-managing, especially when he goes on to clarify it even further. He says it quite clearly that the coach doesn't listen to the advice of the veterans and ignores them. And while he may not know the realities of the Commanders organization in the end, he surely does the Cowboys so that talk about the coach is of some value. And it also actually coincides with things like with what Crayton speaking up in the offensive meetings, asking about 'hot-reads' and Garrett getting angry.

So yeah, back to the actually irony...
 

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No, you actually do. You're going "deeper" and listing coaches who never coached for the Cowboys, so obviously you need to tell us all what a head coach "policing" the players means in your mind.

I think it is obvious: A coach whose players are accountable to him.

Do not confuse this with them not being accountable to each other--they are not mutually exclusive.
 

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I named Cowboys coaches. Joe Gibbs never coached the Cowboys. I do not give a crap about your Commanders.

Want me to go even deeper? Vince Lombardi, George Halas, Don Shula, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Chuck Noll, and a slew of others...all policed their teams.

So did Greg Schiano, Bruce Coslett and a bunch of other scrubs, including Jim Garrett when he coached Columbia to it's impressive 0-10 record. Of course they weren't Commanders coaches, but you get my point.
 

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