Jason LaCanfora: Dolphins shopping WR Ted Ginn

[jblaze2004]

bobby carpenter for ted ginn straight up

 

[superpunk]

bobby carpenter for ted ginn straight up

I know people who didn't actually watch every Dolphins and Cowboys game last season will probably ignorantly disagree with me, but if that trade went down we would be getting robbed.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

bobby carpenter for ted ginn straight up

done. where do I sign? :

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In the last 3 seasons, Ginn has averaged 1829 all purpose yards per seasons. His problem, is holding on to the ball IMO. Last year, he was much better. He only had 2 Fumbles but in past years, he has been much worse. Still, an average of 1829 over 3 seasons is pretty dang good.

To put this in perspective, as good a year as Miles had last year, he only put up 1475 combined. Last year, Ginn had 1826 all purpose yards. That's not bad considering he only had 38 catches. The year before, he had 56 catches for 790 yards.

Last year, Crayton only had 37 catches and 622 yards. His All Purpose Yards last year were 1087 and that was by far, the best production of his entire career.

I think that I would would trade Crayton for Ginn if the opportunity to do so was there. Crayton is a good guy and a decent player but Ginn absolutely brings more to the table IMO.

not a good comparison. total yards in here includes return yards and I am sure if you put Austin as a return man, even if he sucked at it, he would get around 20 yards and that would push his total way over 2500 yards each year. not all yards are created the same. I would say passing yards during a game are worth three times as much as a return yard in a kickoff. so lets recalculate and see what we got.

 

[Stash]

bobby carpenter for ted ginn straight up

Wouldn't do that one at this point.

We're thin enough at ILB as it is.

No need to make that any worse.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I cannot agree. You can't compare the yardage gained returning kicks to the yards gained as a receiver. It is easier to pick up yards on kick off returns. Even bad kick returners will put up 19 to 20 yards per return. The best receivers are not going to average that much on receptions. It is not weighed the same.

Of those 1826 all purpose yards 72.51% of those were from kick and punt returns. Only 28 of those yards came off punt returns and he has 312 career punt return yards. A vast majority of his yards are from kick returns. While he has had some success there he also just returns a lot of kicks. His 63 returns in 2007 was the most that year and he had the 6th most in 2009.

Of Craytons 1087 all purpose yards 40.24% came from the return game. He is getting most of his yards within the offensive system.

Ginn does not bring more to the table because kick returns are not as important as what a receiver has to do with and without the ball. Dallas won the division and a playoff game without much success at the kick returner spot. I would not be willing to sacrifice a drop off at the 3rd wide receiver spot for more yards at kick returner. And Crayton is a better punt returner than Ginn.

If you are going to replace Crayton then you need to do it with a person that is going to produce the same amount or more within the offensive system. Ginn will not do that.

I tried writing the same thing. but you did a much better job than I did sir.

 

[Stash]

not a good comparison. total yards in here includes return yards and I am sure if you put Austin as a return man, even if he sucked at it, he would get around 20 yards and that would push his total way over 2500 yards each year. not all yards are created the same. I would say passing yards during a game are worth three times as much as a return yard in a kickoff. so lets recalculate and see what we got.

I'd disagree with part of that assessment.

They may be easier to come by on an individual level, but they're equally important from a team perspective.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Originally Posted by Four
I think hurd is the Team's next crayton.

Sam Hurd is a vastly superior football player today than Ted Ginn.

Sam is a slow sure handed guy who runs good routes, plays well on special teams, and tony trusts him.

We can't get anything close to that out of Ginn right now.
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but Hurd is the 4th WR on this team and it looks like Ogltree is going to pas shim because of better athleticism. so why not trade our 4th WR for a Kick Returner who is better than what ever we have and he could still be our 4th or 5th WR and that's not bad.

 

[JBell]

Pass.


He sucks at WR. We shouldn't waste a roster spot on a return specialist.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I cannot agree. You can't compare the yardage gained returning kicks to the yards gained as a receiver. It is easier to pick up yards on kick off returns. Even bad kick returners will put up 19 to 20 yards per return. The best receivers are not going to average that much on receptions. It is not weighed the same.

Of those 1826 all purpose yards 72.51% of those were from kick and punt returns. Only 28 of those yards came off punt returns and he has 312 career punt return yards. A vast majority of his yards are from kick returns. While he has had some success there he also just returns a lot of kicks. His 63 returns in 2007 was the most that year and he had the 6th most in 2009.

Of Craytons 1087 all purpose yards 40.24% came from the return game. He is getting most of his yards within the offensive system.

Ginn does not bring more to the table because kick returns are not as important as what a receiver has to do with and without the ball. Dallas won the division and a playoff game without much success at the kick returner spot. I would not be willing to sacrifice a drop off at the 3rd wide receiver spot for more yards at kick returner. And Crayton is a better punt returner than Ginn.

If you are going to replace Crayton then you need to do it with a person that is going to produce the same amount or more within the offensive system. Ginn will not do that.

And if Ginn had Romo throwing to him you can double his 09 stats as a slot receiver. He was the teams only legit deep threat and was getting doubled most of the time...that wouldn't be the case here.

 

[JBell]

And if Ginn had Romo throwing to him you can double his 09 stats.

Ginn had more drops last year than Roy Williams.


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[Chocolate Lab]

Ginn is ****ing terrible. Don't even start with me people. It was bad enough watching him LOSE games for the Dolphins last season, failing miserably in the 20 plays per game they actually gave him. Don't wish that level of incompetence on your own team.

Just to reiterate.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

not a good comparison. total yards in here includes return yards and I am sure if you put Austin as a return man, even if he sucked at it, he would get around 20 yards and that would push his total way over 2500 yards each year. not all yards are created the same. I would say passing yards during a game are worth three times as much as a return yard in a kickoff. so lets recalculate and see what we got.

So then, your point is that Crayton is going to produce significantly more passing yards in our offense next year then he has in the previous 6?

I mean, think about what your saying here. Your saying that if Miles returned kicks last year, he would have way more yards then does Ginn. However, if Miles were returning kicks and producing as a WR the same way he did last year, chances are that Miles would never have seen the end of the season. There is a reason you don't have Pro Bowl WRs returning kicks on a full time basis. Think about it.

 

[CATCH17]

but Hurd is the 4th WR on this team and it looks like Ogltree is going to pas shim because of better athleticism. so why not trade our 4th WR for a Kick Returner who is better than what ever we have and he could still be our 4th or 5th WR and that's not bad.

Because I still think Hurds overall contributions would be bigger than Ginns.

If Ginn was an elite returner than yeah but he isn't even that.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Ginn had more drops last year than Roy Williams.


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with Pat White and Chad Henne throwing him the ball.

 

[CATCH17]

with Pat White and Chad Henne throwing him the ball.

Henne looks like a guy who can be a good player in time.

Tedd Ginn just sucks. Thats all there is to it. He looks out of position to me. Should've been a corner.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In the slot, Ginn would be matched up with the other teams Safety or 3rd or 4th Corner. Because of Miles and Roy, you figure that most teams would probably play off. If you go single back, Wit at TE Ginn is probably one on one all day long. With his speed, it would be tough to stay with him for anybody he faced. I doubt he would ever see a double team. It could be a whole new ball game for Ginn in Dallas' offense.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Ginn is a bum just so no to that scrub.

 

[JBell]

with Pat White and Chad Henne throwing him the ball.

You make yourself look dumber with each attempt to defend Ginn.

 

[RamziD]

#27/Crayton/6th round pick for #12 and Ginn? Maybe do it on draft day if someone we really like is available at #12 (i.e. Earl Thomas). I think Ogletree can have similar production to Crayton. Ginn would be a good return man and #4 WR.