Jason Witten Stat For You

[peplaw06]

Man Gonzalez is a beast.

 

[peplaw06]

season is already over, failed, not failing.....

Witten will be the allltime leader in receptions for the boys and hall of famer when his career is all said and done

How is that Quest going?

 

[Hostile]

Not that I am arguing either side because I though both where phenomenal running backs with different styles, but Barry didn't benefit from the same O-line that Emmitt did and played his entire career with a crappy QB, so you can't just look at stats alone to determine whose better. I'm just glad I was able to experience two all time greats in my lifetime.

Barry's O-line was far from inept. He had guys who were multiple time Pro Bowlers and it would not surprise me if Lomas Brown ends up in the Hall of Fame one day. he wasn't handicapped. He did however handicap his own team.

I would never have wanted him on my football team despite his incredible talent.

 

[jimmy40]

Not that I am arguing either side because I though both where phenomenal running backs with different styles, but Barry didn't benefit from the same O-line that Emmitt did and played his entire career with a crappy QB, so you can't just look at stats alone to determine whose better. I'm just glad I was able to experience two all time greats in my lifetime.

Well now you've gone and done it.

 

[TheSkaven]

When people compare him to Barry (and I know it is inevitable) I actually wonder how many "Barry was better" pimps realize how good Emmitt was at these other things. I really think they only see the impressive runs (and they are impressive) and think Barry was better.

Funny, I had just this argument with a friend over the weekend. His side of the argument: imagine what Barry would have done with that offensive line. But really, people just don't get that Emmitt was a more complete player in every aspect of the game.

Back on the original topic, I wonder if most folks would agree that Witten is a better tight end than Novacek? Because those 90's teams won Superbowls, Novacek is sort-of idolized as being the all-time great. But to me, Witten really is the most complete tight end in football and the best in Cowboys' history.

 

[Hostile]

Funny, I had just this argument with a friend over the weekend. His side of the argument: imagine what Barry would have done with that offensive line. But really, people just don't get that Emmitt was a more complete player in every aspect of the game.

Back on the original topic, I wonder if most folks would agree that Witten is a better tight end than Novacek? Because those 90's teams won Superbowls, Novacek is sort-of idolized as being the all-time great. But to me, Witten really is the most complete tight end in football and the best in Cowboys' history.

I loved Novacek, Witten is miles better.

I think Witten is one of the top 5 TEs of all time and could go higher. It will be hard for me to say he is better than Gonzalez, but some day I might say it if he holds up his production.

 

[AdamJT13]

Man Gonzalez is a beast.

So is Witten.


Through age 26 (all-time leaders) --

1. Jason Witten 429
2. Tony Gonzalez 397
3. Kellen Winslow 344


Through age 27 --

1. Tony Gonzalez 468
2. Jason Witten 452 (12 games remaining)
3. Kellen Winslow 399

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I think in addition to receiving Emmitt does not get near enough credit for blocking and especially blitz pickup.

When people compare him to Barry (and I know it is inevitable) I actually wonder how many "Barry was better" pimps realize how good Emmitt was at these other things. I really think they only see the impressive runs (and they are impressive) and think Barry was better.

I will never agree.

Emmitt averaged 34 receptions per season. Barry averaged 35. Emmitt averaged 6.3 yards/reception. Barry averaged 8.3. Advantage Barry.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

That Jason Witten dude is pretty good.

 

[peplaw06]

So is Witten.


Through age 26 (all-time leaders) --

1. Jason Witten 429
2. Tony Gonzalez 397
3. Kellen Winslow 344


Through age 27 --

1. Tony Gonzalez 468
2. Jason Witten 452 (12 games remaining)
3. Kellen Winslow 399

I'd love to see Witten get there. But didn't he get a pretty big head start in the age department? I was thinking he turned 21 right before he was drafted.

Hard to stay that healthy for that long. Part of the reason though why I don't mind it when he goes down easy

 

[Hostile]

Emmitt averaged 34 receptions per season. Barry averaged 35. Emmitt averaged 6.3 yards/reception. Barry averaged 8.3. Advantage Barry.

Emmitt got taken out of that role when we signed Chris Warren or it wouldn't even be close.

 

[RainMan]

I'd love to see Witten get there. But didn't he get a pretty big head start in the age department? I was thinking he turned 21 right before he was drafted.

Hard to stay that healthy for that long. Part of the reason though why I don't mind it when he goes down easy

I think Adam mentioned before (but I could be wrong) that they both entered the league at the same, young age.

 

[JonJon]

Funny, I had just this argument with a friend over the weekend. His side of the argument: imagine what Barry would have done with that offensive line. But really, people just don't get that Emmitt was a more complete player in every aspect of the game.

Back on the original topic, I wonder if most folks would agree that Witten is a better tight end than Novacek? Because those 90's teams won Superbowls, Novacek is sort-of idolized as being the all-time great. But to me, Witten really is the most complete tight end in football and the best in Cowboys' history.

I won't disagree with that at all.

 

[peplaw06]

I think Adam mentioned before (but I could be wrong) that they both entered the league at the same, young age.

Good call. I stand corrected. Gonzalez is in his 13th season and he's 33. Wow.

 

[RainMan]

The good thing for Witten and his ultimate legacy is he plays a position where postseason success isn't a necessity to be considered great (Exhibit A: Tony Gonzalez).

The sad thing is I'm using that as a "good thing" for his legacy. Hopefully we can change that over the next few years.

 

[jobberone]

Barry Sanders was faster and a better pure runner. But he wasn't the best runner nor was he the best RB over Emmitt.

Gonzales is a better receiving TE albeit not my a lot. Witten is a better blocking TE and a much better H-back. Witten is arguably a better clutch receiving TE although I could argue that the other way.

They're both headed for the HOF.

 

[Hostile]

The good thing for Witten and his ultimate legacy is he plays a position where postseason success isn't a necessity to be considered great (Exhibit A: Tony Gonzalez).

The sad thing is I'm using that as a "good thing" for his legacy. Hopefully we can change that over the next few years.

I never thought of this before. Hmm.

 

[AdamJT13]

I'd love to see Witten get there. But didn't he get a pretty big head start in the age department? I was thinking he turned 21 right before he was drafted.

He and Gonzalez both were 21 as rookies. Gonzalez caught 33 passes as a rookie, and Witten caught 35. So no, Witten did not get a big head start.

Hard to stay that healthy for that long.

I agree. But unlike the people chasing Emmitt's record, Witten actually has outperformed Gonzalez at the same ages. So the longevity (staying healthy and maintaining a level of production) is the only hurdle Witten has to overcome. He doesn't have to outperform Gonzalez at the same ages, because he's already ahead of him (or soon will be for age 27).

It would nice of Gonzalez to retire at some point, though.

 

[peplaw06]

He and Gonzalez both were 21 as rookies. Gonzalez caught 33 passes as a rookie, and Witten caught 35. So no, Witten did not get a big head start.

It would nice of Gonzalez to retire at some point, though.

I'm with you. I never would have guessed Gonzalez was just 33. Was thinking he had this year and one maybe two more before retiring. He could be around for a while.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

I am being dead serious when I say this, I could not stand Chris Warren because I felt Emmitt was a far better receiver out of the backfield and Warren took away opportunities. I think in addition to receiving Emmitt does not get near enough credit for blocking and especially blitz pickup.

When people compare him to Barry (and I know it is inevitable) I actually wonder how many "Barry was better" pimps realize how good Emmitt was at these other things. I really think they only see the impressive runs (and they are impressive) and think Barry was better.

I will never agree.

I've always noted and argued for Emmitt's blitz pickup vs Barry's, but honestly am dumbstruck that he is the 3rd leading receiver in team history.