Jay Glazer - Favre will retire....*Merged*

[WoodysGirl]

I think that a little naive on your part....

but you leave yourself and out.

Thats Smart

That's not naive. That's an opinion. Just like yours. You think it wouldn't be reported...and I think it would be. Just not now, during the initial breaking news phase. I've seen many cases where once a player is gone, you start to hear all the lockerroom secrets about him and how he was perceived about his peers.

Right now there's no speculation in any of the media outlets about friction between him and the Coach. If there's anything to it, it'll probably be reported with the disclaimer, "sources said"

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

As far as being a GREAT QB, he was not. Thats not debateable.

He's a three time MVP who won a Superbowl and has a slew of records. Of course it is debatable.

 

[FloridaRob]

Your post on Favre pro and con is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. I am not a big fan... but I dont dislike him either.

He was a pretty good QB thats not debateable.
As far as being a GREAT QB, he was not. Thats not debateable.

He would not share with the running game. He either would abandom it early and not give it time to develop OR he would throw INT's and have to play from behind. He was a old fashioned thrower he didnt want any part of handing it off.

Favre's QB play was like a Golfer that practices the drive shot(QB pass) but not the putts (running the ball).

LOL, the fact that he is and will be known as one of the top 5 QBs of all time and no less than top 10 QBs of all time and a first ballot Hall of fame QB means greatness. You don't receive that kind of honor being a "pretty good" QB.

Last time I checked is FAvre called the plays that the coaches sent in and during Shermans years had very little ability to audible. So I don't get this "he abandoned the run" stuff.

MIck, you seem to have an axe to grind against FAvre that puts you in the minority of what his accomplishment mean.

He was a great QB. And no matter how you attempt to spin it, it won't change the facts.

 

[Hostile]

Your post on Favre pro and con is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. I am not a big fan... but I dont dislike him either.

He was a pretty good QB thats not debateable.
As far as being a GREAT QB, he was not. Thats not debateable.

He would not share with the running game. He either would abandom it early and not give it time to develop OR he would throw INT's and have to play from behind. He was a old fashioned thrower he didnt want any part of handing it off.

Favre's QB play was like a Golfer that practices the drive shot(QB pass) but not the putts (running the ball).

I couldn't disagree with you more. The man was absolutely great. Watch the reactions of other NFL players when asked about his retirement. Watch and learn.

 

[burmafrd]

Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
At the least. Going back to maybe guys like Sid Luckman, and others in the 40s and 50s.
Brett Favre was a media favorite and that means nothing to me.
For that matter if you are talking about STORIED you could throw Joe Namath or Sonny Jurgenson, great party guys like that.
Arguably as far as ability how about Steve Young?

 

[rcaldw]

He's a three time MVP who won a Superbowl and has a slew of records. Of course it is debatable.

I think you have to call Brett Favre a great QB. He is definitely in the top 20 of all-time without debate. That is great. Period.

It was the "beyond great" thing that I took issue with. I do think that Favre's greatness is exaggerated because of his personality and style of play.

The 3 MVP's don't carry as much weight with me personally because I think that they are also a product of what I mentioned above. He was in a stat producing offense for a QB, because he threw the ball a lot more inside the 5 than most guys would. And his personality endeared him to fans, players and media.

I think he was a great player, with the weaknesses that I made note of in an earlier post, definitely in the top 20 QB's of all-time, but overrated (in my opinion) because of his personality and flair for the dramatic. His strengths were always played up, his serious weaknesses were always pretty much ignored, but they hurt his team in some big games.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

LOL, the fact that he is and will be known as one of the top 5 QBs of all time and no less than top 10 QBs of all time and a first ballot Hall of fame QB means greatness. You don't receive that kind of honor being a "pretty good" QB.

Darn... where is that post where you said he was the BEST EVER, EVER IN THE NFL?

Last time I checked is FAvre called the plays that the coaches sent in and during Shermans years had very little ability to audible. So I don't get this "he abandoned the run" stuff.

Anyone who knows anything about football knows that he didnt want to hand off.

MIck, you seem to have an axe to grind against FAvre that puts you in the minority of what his accomplishment mean.

Ah.... the spin attempt. Nope.
I like the guy just dont think he is one of the greatest. Too many poor decisions in big games.

He was a great QB. And no matter how you attempt to spin it, it won't change the facts.

Joe Montana was Great. Its not debateable.
John Elway was Great. Its not debateable.

Favre's greatness. I have heard many cases from fans and media that its debateable.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I couldn't disagree with you more. The man was absolutely great. Watch the reactions of other NFL players when asked about his retirement. Watch and learn.

Ode to Old Yella....
its all about respect.

Those same players(even before they were players) had to be wondering what the heck he was doing in games they were watching when he just threw it up in the air when they were 2,3,4 defenders there = INT.


Sorry I cant mancrush on these guys like some.
I have watched games with the non-fan, casual fan and even the all-knowing fans and they all have the same reaction when he throws an INT "Why did he do that?"

 

[theebs]

wow. Just turned on my radio and computer.

I am suprised. The packers have a very good team, they just need some minor adjustments like us and they will be contenders for years.

I am grateful I finally got to see him last year even if just for one quarter!

There is no debate he is an all-timer. It is bizarre anyone would think otherwise.

The league will miss him.

People keep referencing rodgers play in Dallas last year also, but no one mentions that after the game a handful of players including james and ellis said the team didnt watch 1 second of film on rodgers and when he came in they knew zero about him. That is a big deal. It will be interesting to see how he plays.

I hope favre didnt retire because they didnt get moss, that would be plain crazy. Offense was not their problem. THey are building their team the right way, why in the world would they spend money on a free agent wr.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
At the least. Going back to maybe guys like Sid Luckman, and others in the 40s and 50s.
Brett Favre was a media favorite and that means nothing to me.
For that matter if you are talking about STORIED you could throw Joe Namath or Sonny Jurgenson, great party guys like that.
Arguably as far as ability how about Steve Young?

This list is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but just your opinion. My opinion, which I am entitled to, but just my opinion is that, first, you made a horrible omission when you left out John Elway. Second, I would place Farve right up there with most of those guys.

 

[rcaldw]

The thing that continues to baffle me are the fans who put Favre and Young over Aikman.

Aikman has 3 SB wins to 1 and 1.
Aikman had the most wins in the same decade that those guys played in.
Aikman outperformed those guys in head to head matchups in the playoffs
And Aikman did not play in the West Coast style that piles up QB stats the way those guys did.

And I know the conventional explanation for it. It's a team game and Aikman had the better team.

But NO ONE was saying Dallas had the better team in 1992 when they traveled into SF and beat them on their own field. And Aikman performed brilliantly that day.

Alot of the "evaluation" that goes on in the NFL is more about style than substance, and includes what city you play in, and that is a fact.

 

[FloridaRob]

Darn... where is that post where you said he was the BEST EVER, EVER IN THE NFL?




Anyone who knows anything about football knows that he didnt want to hand off.





Ah.... the spin attempt. Nope.
I like the guy just dont think he is one of the greatest. Too many poor decisions in big games.





Joe Montana was Great. Its not debateable.
John Elway was Great. Its not debateable.

Favre's greatness. I have heard many cases from fans and media that its debateable.

My previous post was how he will be remembered in history not necessarily by me but by anybody that knows something about football. Apparently from your comments, you are not in that group.

You are the one that said he refused to hand off. Again, he ran the plays that were called. He rarely audibled. The fact that he could throw it 80 yards on a rope may have influenced the coaches decisions to throw it. It is also a case that the West Coast offense is a QB driven system. Not a RB driven system. So, like Montana, Young, and others, the stats are going to be up there. Most people that know football know that.

I have never heard a media source say that FAvre is not great unless you are part of the media. Where they put him in line with others is up for debate and people that know football know that.

Montana was great. Elway was great. And Favre was great. Most people that know football know that. Pretty good QBs don't start 160 games without missing a start. Pretty good QBs don't throw for more yardage, more touchdowns, win more games, more completions, even more interceptions. Pretty good QBs don;t get into the HOF on the first ballot. Great ones do. Anybody that knows football know that....

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I am suprised. The packers have a very good team, they just need some minor adjustments like us and they will be contenders for years.

I hope favre didnt retire because they didnt get moss, that would be plain crazy. Offense was not their problem. THey are building their team the right way, why in the world would they spend money on a free agent wr.

It doesnt make sense to me.
He has been retiring for 3 years because he wanted a good team, he believed he had a goot team. Now he has it..... he retires??

It doesnt make sense. His decision was made for him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You are the one that said he refused to hand off. Again, he ran the plays that were called. He rarely audibled.

You know this how?

2 or 3 drives in a row he may not ever hand off.
He took the game out of his coaches hands in the past. I think he did it this year and that spelled the end for him.

 

[Hostile]

Ode to Old Yella....
its all about respect.

Those same players(even before they were players) had to be wondering what the heck he was doing in games they were watching when he just threw it up in the air when they were 2,3,4 defenders there = INT.


Sorry I cant mancrush on these guys like some.
I have watched games with the non-fan, casual fan and even the all-knowing fans and they all have the same reaction when he throws an INT "Why did he do that?"

"In the Valley of the Blind, the one eyed man is King."

 

[The Panch]

Damn Favre. You just got MOSSED!!!




But seriously, peace out Favre. Overrated IMO, but still towards the bottom of the top 10-15.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

"In the Valley of the Blind, the one eyed man is King."

Thank you Hos.

But I dont think you are all blind

 

[superpunk]

People keep referencing rodgers play in Dallas last year also, but no one mentions that after the game a handful of players including james and ellis said the team didnt watch 1 second of film on rodgers and when he came in they knew zero about him. That is a big deal. It will be interesting to see how he plays.

I know it's common sense, but I wish I could find an article that quoted those two. I'm looking in the Daily Zone for such articles, right after the game, but am not having much success.

 

[Chief]

Never particularly liked the guy and I've always believed he worked hard to cultivate a good ol' boy persona that enabled him to con certain members of the media.

When we think of self-promoters, we think of Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens, but Favre did it in a clever, subtle way. He had people like Peter King and John Madden eating out of his hands.

I hope he goes and gets on his riding lawn mower in Mississippi and is never heard from again.

But I know that won't happen. He needs publicity.

 

[Hostile]

Thank you Hos.

But I dont think you are all blind

You should read the story that that quote comes from.