Jaylon Smith will not be put on IR this season; Moore backup

[KJJ]

LB Mark Nzeocha was on the nfi list last year and was activated late in the season.

He was activated late in the season and what did he do? I tell you what he did, nothing! Show me a rookie that missed OTA's, all of training camp and preseason while rehabbing a serious injury and was activated late in the regular season and made an impact?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well all the doubters saying he will never play again certainly feed the story he is trying to tell.

Best case scenario is not all that unlikely. It's going to have to take a setback to stop it.

January surgery and 6 inches of nerve to regenerate has nerve firing in July or a week or so before TC starts. The knee is doing well now. It will be that much stronger then. It's about another 6 weeks before we can really look for the nerve to start innervating the foot again.

His situation presents an interesting study on how people deal with uncertainty.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was activated late in the season and what did he do? I tell you what he did, nothing! Show me a rookie that missed OTA's, all of training camp and preseason while rehabbing a serious injury and was activated late in the regular season and made an impact?

He was a 6th round pick and in terms of player development it was huge. He wasn't a difference maker but he practiced with the team and was on the sideline during games. Nzeocha has a much better chance this year because of it.

Your biasing it gratuitously. DLaw was inured at the beginning of camp and came back late in the season. He was slow to come on but was money in both playoff games.

Players come back from injury all the time and contribute. If the nerve starts firing then why on Earth would you not play him? He is a top 10 talent if recovered.

 

[speedkilz88]

Mat McBriar had nerve damage from that punt block in 2011. He had complications with a cyst forming that blocked the nerve from regenerating. Had surgery February of 2012 (to remove the bloodflow so the cyst would desolve on it's own) and was working out well for the eagles by July.

 

[KJJ]

He was a 6th round pick and in terms of player development it was huge. He wasn't a difference maker but he practiced with the team and was on the sideline during games. Nzeocha has a much better chance this year because of it.

Your biasing it gratuitously. DLaw was inured at the beginning of camp and came back late in the season. He was slow to come on but was money in both playoff games.

Players come back from injury all the time and contribute. If the nerve starts firing then why on Earth would you not play him? He is a top 10 talent if recovered.

Did you even read my original post and the point I was making? You'e just looking for another argument. Jerry talked about Smith possibly being ready near the end of the 2016 season and helping us in the playoffs if we make the playoffs. What are the odds a rookie who's going to miss OTA's, training camp, preseason and most of the regular season rehabbing a serious knee injury is going to make an impact? Nzeocha didn't make an impact or register any stats on the field so you're not scoring any points mentioning him. As for DLaw he didn't spend his rookie offseason rehabbing a serious injury, he participated in OTA's and part of training camp.

He was back on the field by week 9 which is a lot sooner than Smith will ever see the field in 2016 if he does play. DLaw was able to make an impact in the playoffs because he participated in OTA's and part of training camp and got in enough regular season action to prepare him for the playoffs. Smith is going to be a lot further behind than DLaw plus he's coming back from a much more serious injury than DLaw returned from his rookie year. There's no guarantee's Smith with ever return to the form he showed in college.

 

[Bowdown27]

Idk if posted yet

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Idk if posted yet

He was doing that already.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did you even read my original post and the point I was making? You'e just looking for another argument. Jerry talked about Smith possibly being ready near the end of the 2016 season and helping us in the playoffs if we make the playoffs. What are the odds a rookie who's going to miss OTA's, training camp, preseason and most of the regular season rehabbing a serious knee injury is going to make an impact? Nzeocha didn't make an impact or register any stats on the field so you're not scoring any points mentioning him. As for DLaw he didn't spend his rookie offseason rehabbing a serious injury, he participated in OTA's and part of training camp.

He was back on the field by week 9 which is a lot sooner than Smith will ever see the field in 2016 if he does play. DLaw was able to make an impact in the playoffs because he participated in OTA's and part of training camp and got in enough regular season action to prepare him for the playoffs. Smith is going to be a lot further behind than DLaw plus he's coming back from a much more serious injury than DLaw returned from his rookie year. There's no guarantee's Smith with ever return to the form he showed in college.

Even if he cannot contribute its still better to have him practice than not. I am discussing reality.

You have no idea when Smith will be ready. Your basis is your backbrain.

 

[KJJ]

Even if he cannot contribute its still better to have him practice than not. I am discussing reality.

You have no idea when Smith will be ready. Your basis is your backbrain.

That has nothing to do with point I made. Most everyone has an "idea" when Smith will be ready based on the type of injury he's rehabbing and that's in 2017. If everyone thought he would be ready this season he would have been drafted in the first round. Try using some logic for once.

 

[KJJ]

The Cowboys rushed Dez and Romo back last season instead of allowing them to fully heal and it blew up in their face. We'll just have to hope Dez is still the same player after playing on that injured foot. The Cowboys don't need to make the same mistake with Smith rushing him back before he's fully recovered.

 

[Techsass]

The NFC East absolutely sucked last season. Washington got the title, but do you really think they were good?

I don't think the FO thought we'd make a deep playoff run, but they did have a glimmer of a chance of making the playoffs when they brought Dez & Tony back. I know as fans we don't care. We don't like one & done appearances, but I bet the employees like the bonus they could get.

Just a btw - what do they pay for playoff games? Is it a set amount each or is it based on your salary?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Idk if posted yet

There are youtube videos of him doing cord work before the draft, so I don't think this is some kind of bombshell here.

Great scoop by Fisher, as usual.

 

[Nightman]

All Jerry meant was that he wasn't being red-shirted by going on the season ending IR

He most likely will go on the PUP list and be eligible to start practicing Week 6 and off the roster until Week 11

But he could go on the NFI like Nzacho last year or he could go on the IR and be the one designated to return(even though they don't make the designation until it is actually done unlike last year)

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That has nothing to do with point I made. Most everyone has an "idea" when Smith will be ready based on the type of injury he's rehabbing and that's in 2017. If everyone thought he would be ready this season he would have been drafted in the first round. Try using some logic for once.

You said that he would not play this year. You have no basis and you have ignored the medical facts about his injury. If the nerve starts firing and the knee is in good shape then it is what it is and not 'rushing him back.' No one at any point has asked for that.

Like I said his situation is an interesting study of how people deal with uncertainty.

 

[JBS]

The Cowboys rushed Dez and Romo back last season instead of allowing them to fully heal and it blew up in their face. We'll just have to hope Dez is still the same player after playing on that injured foot. The Cowboys don't need to make the same mistake with Smith rushing him back before he's fully recovered.

Blew up in their face how?

Bc they got hurt again and missed games they would have missed anyway if they didn't come back?

They didn't die...they didn't suffer injuries that will keep them out this season...nothing really happened

 

[KJJ]

You said that he would not play this year. You have no basis and you have ignored the medical facts about his injury. If the nerve starts firing and the knee is in good shape then it is what it is and not 'rushing him back.' No one at any point has asked for that.

Like I said his situation is an interesting study of how people deal with uncertainty.

I said I can't see Smith playing in 2016 that's not saying he "won't" play. I base my opinion on everything that's been reported and the reports are it's not likely he'll play in 2016. Jerry is the only one I've heard leaving the door open on the possibility of Smith playing. Just a few days ago Stephen said on the radio Smith won't be playing in 2016 he's saying one thing and Jerry is saying another. Jerry is all about selling tickets and keeping fans hopeful which is why he doesn't want to close the door on Smith playing in 2016. The possibility of Smith playing will keep fans filling up the seats even if the season turns out like last year.

Jerry's practically admitting the odds of Smith playing in 2016 are long by saying he could be ready to go by playoff time if the team makes the playoffs. Even if everything goes as good as it can for Smith in his rehab and he's ready to play by the last couple of games of the season if the Cowboys are having another bad year playing out the schedule like they were last year no way is the team going to play Smith in meaningless games.

The odds are more against Smith playing in 2016 than they are in favor of him playing care to argue that? Like I pointed out if the odds of him playing in 2016 were favorable some team would have taken a chance on him in the first round.

 

[Jimmer]

Jaylen Smith is the next Lawrence Taylor.

 

[KJJ]

Blew up in their face how?

Bc they got hurt again and missed games they would have missed anyway if they didn't come back?

They didn't die...they didn't suffer injuries that will keep them out this season...nothing really happened

Romo's collarbone hadn't fully healed which is why it re broke on a sack he would have gotten up from 99.9% of the time. It cost him the rest of the season and has some questioning how much longer he has. It's the re break of that collarbone that has everyone worried about how much more time he has left and had the team considering taking a QB with their first pick. There's obvious concern for how much longer Romo has because the Cowboys offered a #2 and a #3 to move back into the first round for Lynch despite the fact we have serious defensive needs. As for Dez his injury is similar to what Hakeem Nicks had and he was never the same after his injury. Dez played on that injury and ended up having foot surgery after the season.

On Twitter he said he shouldn't have been playing on that foot but did it for the fans. If he doesn't return to form everyone will blame it on the team for bringing him back too soon. If he can't return to the player he was prior to that injury Jerry just threw away a lot of money because the Dez Bryant we saw after he came back from that injury wasn't near the same player. Do you care to argue that he wasn't brought back too soon and saw no problem with him playing on that foot? It's obvious the Cowboys rushed him back to try and save the season and he looked terrible.

 

[CyberB0b]

You know nothing about Mayowa other than his stat line.

He's on his third team in three years.

 

[JBS]

Romo's collarbone hadn't fully healed which is why it re broke on a sack he would have gotten up from 99.9% of the time. It cost him the rest of the season and has some questioning how much longer he has. It's the re break of that collarbone that has everyone worried about how much more time he has left and had the team considering taking a QB with their first pick. There's obvious concern for how much longer Romo has because the Cowboys offered a #2 and a #3 to move back into the first round for Lynch despite the fact we have serious defensive needs. As for Dez his injury is similar to what Hakeem Nicks had and he was never the same after his injury. Dez played on that injury and ended up having foot surgery after the season.

On Twitter he said he shouldn't have been playing on that foot but did it for the fans. If he doesn't return to form everyone will blame it on the team for bringing him back too soon. If he can't return to the player he was prior to that injury Jerry just threw away a lot of money because the Dez Bryant we saw after he came back from that injury wasn't near the same player. Do you care to argue that he wasn't brought back too soon and saw no problem with him playing on that foot? It's obvious the Cowboys rushed him back to try and save the season and he looked terrible.

I'll argue that romo breaking his collarbone once as opposed to twice would have had the same affect

As far as dez is concerned...rushing him back early isn't going to change the final outcome...if the injury ruins him for long term, it's probably due to the original injury...but I feel pretty good that dez will be fine