Jaylon Smith's nerve has no significant improvement yet

[waldoputty]

Cut him. Move one of the Smith's back to LB.

No need to cut?
He would not take up roster spot and would serve as injury reserve?

 

[waldoputty]

A nerve can fire today or months down the road. It's also possible it doesn't fire at all. It's too much of an unknown with no time table. All we can do is go off of the doctor that did the surgery and he thinks he will heal, just not sure when

based on 1 inch per month and 1 month delay from mid Jan, we are looking at mid August to bridge a 6 inch gap (probably best case).
then time is needed for rehab of the muscle that is innervated assuming nothing goes wrong.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

based on 1 inch per month and 1 month delay from mid Jan, we are looking at mid August to bridge a 6 inch gap (probably best case).
then time is needed for rehab of the muscle that is innervated assuming nothing goes wrong.

Those are all projections though. It's not like an injury where you have a certain time table. He could wake up in the morning and everything is fine.......he is already doing rehab though. Not saying he doesn't need to continue rehab but nerve is different then say ACL or broken bone

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No need to cut?
He would not take up roster spot and would serve as injury reserve?

At this point he's a progress stopper.

One of Hitchens, Gachkar, or Nzeocha are going to win the job and man the position for most of the season. All of them are going to improve with reps; whereas, McClain is what he is. That includes out of shape and taking 4 or so weeks to just get into shape. Remember we've been through this with him before.

He clearly doesn't put the team above getting high and he is unwilling to make the sacrifices that all of his other teammates do. this isn't 2014 where our backups are Cam Lawrence and Ernie Sims. Let the young guys have their shot and roll with the right way.

 

[waldoputty]

At this point he's a progress stopper.

One of Hitchens, Gachkar, or Nzeocha are going to win the job and man the position for most of the season. All of them are going to improve with reps; whereas, McClain is what he is. That includes out of shape and taking 4 or so weeks to just get into shape. Remember we've been through this with him before.

He clearly doesn't put the team above getting high and he is unwilling to make the sacrifices that all of his other teammates do. this isn't 2014 where our backups are Cam Lawrence and Ernie Sims. Let the young guys have their shot and roll with the right way.

is he even allowed to practice once the season starts?

lbs get injured often, and our depth is now not so deep.
almost 2/3 of his salary is now saved because of the suspension.

 

[waldoputty]

Those are all projections though. It's not like an injury where you have a certain time table. He could wake up in the morning and everything is fine.......he is already doing rehab though. Not saying he doesn't need to continue rehab but nerve is different then say ACL or broken bone

once (if) those muscles are connected, they would need rehab?
without motor control, those particular muscle atrophy?
i guess they can manually exercise them but i would think rehab would be needed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

is he even allowed to practice once the season starts?

lbs get injured often, and our depth is now not so deep.
almost 2/3 of his salary is now saved because of the suspension.

We're still more than 2 deep across the positions. I get the injury angle but McClain just doesn't seem to give a damn. When you have 3 players on suspension I think that it makes sense to send a message. Culture is a reality and the defensive lockerroom's needs to be changed.

 

[waldoputty]

We're still more than 2 deep across the positions. I get the injury angle but McClain just doesn't seem to give a damn. When you have 3 players on suspension I think that it makes sense to send a message. Culture is a reality and the defensive lockerroom's needs to be changed.

i see what you are saying.
we can always cut him before week 11 to instill the culture.
if we dont want him, may be he gets suspended again and we pay nothing for the year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i see what you are saying.
we can always cut him before week 11 to instill the culture.
if we dont want him, may be he gets suspended again and we pay nothing for the year.

You instill culture and expectations first not last.

 

[Alexander]

You instill culture and expectations first not last.

Not that I disagree, but you are mistaken if you think this capable of being repaired.

The damage is done. They already enabled him and others. The hypocrisy is out there for any player to see.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not that I disagree, but you are mistaken if you think this capable of being repaired.

The damage is done. They already enabled him and others. The hypocrisy is out there for any player to see.

Not surprised that you would already quit and give up.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

once (if) those muscles are connected, they would need rehab?
without motor control, those particular muscle atrophy?
i guess they can manually exercise them but i would think rehab would be needed.

I was of the assumption is only the nerve and there was no damage or separation from the muscle

 

[Alexander]

Not surprised that you would already quit and give up.

It is not about "quitting". You are seriously deluded if you think that the players haven't noticed the difference between how McClain has been treated and how they have to now take up his slack.

I guess you have never managed anyone in the private sector and understand the dynamics of teamwork.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was of the assumption is only the nerve and there was no damage or separation from the muscle

There wasn't but everything from the damaged area down to the muscle dies. Then the nerve has to regrow while removing all the dead tissue. Some of it will scar up but given his availability to state of the art treatment that isn't a real concern.

The real issue, the one doctors still don't have a firm grasp on, is the final regrowth of the synapse between the nerve itself and the muscle. It's somewhat of a crapshoot. Again this is lessened by not allowing the muscle to atrophy and the like but it could be that it doesn't connect, or improperly, or any number of issues.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is not about "quitting". You are seriously deluded if you think that the players haven't noticed the difference between how McClain has been treated and how they have to now take up his slack.

I guess you have never managed anyone in the private sector and understand the dynamics of teamwork.

You guessed wrong. You are saying that it is unfixable. That is quitting, booze.

I know you have no idea how the actual day to day management is handled at VR.

 

[Alexander]

You guessed wrong. You are saying that it is unfixable. That is quitting, booze.

I know you have no idea how the actual day to day management is handled at VR.

So help me understand. The rest of these players are going to go through the rigors of camp and ten weeks of the season just to hail this particular player, with his documented history, as a savior? Okay then.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So help me understand. The rest of these players are going to go through the rigors of camp and ten weeks of the season just to hail this particular player, with his documented history, as a savior? Okay then.

I'm saying cut him.

 

[Alexander]

I'm saying cut him.

Ah, I see. Fair enough.

But it is still not something that can be fixed with a simple roster move. The enabling is already out there and it won't be repaired after dumping a dummy.

There is a culture issue and it did not start with McClain. The culture and expectations haven't been established first, which is what you stated before.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ah, I see. Fair enough.

But it is still not something that can be fixed with a simple roster move. The enabling is already out there and it won't be repaired after dumping a dummy.

There is a culture issue and it did not start with McClain. The culture and expectations haven't been established first, which is what you stated before.

The other players can be enabled too. All they have to do is:

1. Be a really good player.

2. Be willing to play for way below what your normal market value would be if you didn't skip voluntary OTA's.

3. Be willing to play on one year, prove-it contracts with a metric **** ton of safety clauses in it.

Problem is, I don't think any of the other players want to do that.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Waste of a pick in the 2nd round... This screams a Jerry Jones gamble gone wrong yet again. Stephen and Jason don't operate like that.