Jen Engel says Henson is still with the third team

[JackMagist]

I dont recall seeing any sort of statement

David

Yes David, Parcells did say that the wanted to settle in training camp on a #2 QB for the entire season. He said it before camp started. Of course Parcells ahs been known to change his mind but he did make the statement.

 

[hogwild]

next year we will have a coach that has the balls and smarts

to start the most talented qb on the team ( HENSON )

let him learn the right way...like Alex Smith, Ben Roth.....burger

Parcell's time has past him by....he never was a good evaluator

of talent , no matter how much it hurts some of you to hear it

We went thru the Q Carter / C Hutch debate... He chose Q

he is not even in the league anymore. Hutch looks pretty good

now.....Parcells is just in it for the money/and he got it...He

needs to go and the sooner the better....JMO

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Parcells said he charts every throw the players make, so if Romo doesn't have the ability to make half of the throws needed in the NFL it would show in the charts.

Also, if Romo was as truly limited physically compared to Henson, wouldn't that difference in ability more than make up for 1 extra year of experience to show on completion %? Its not like Romo is a grizzled, canny veteran by any means.

Could it be ... just maybe ... that Troy Aikman is right?

I guess I'd have to know what Troy Aikman was right about before I could answer.

I don't think that Romo is an invalid by any means. On the other hand, I don't think he can throw the 10 yard slant in or 20 yard out the way Henson can either. I just think it's the difference between a big time arm and an arm that is not prototypical. Doesn't mean Romo can't make up for the arm strength difference in other ways. I'll tell you this, if Romo can't throw the 20 yard out, I doubt Parcells has him practicing it. What good does it do to practice something your not going to be able to run in game sitos?

Doesn't make sense. Henson can make certain throws that you can only complete if you have the gun. That's a plus. It doesn't out make up for experience by any means but all things equal, an HC is going to opt for the gun rather then the average arm strength.

 

[JackMagist]

Bill has to make as sure as humanly possible that he has a #2....not two #3s

If he doesn't, prepare yourselves for 1-800-VT or 1-800-COUCH and the latter would really get in the way of Henson's development.

It appears that Drew isn't very close to competing for the #2 spot. Romo has a year up on him in the system, and didn't spend the offseason passing 5000+ plus times to correct his throwing motion.

I'm ok with this one, as I was the last time Tuna said 'what's fair is not always equal'.

The diff is Drew ain't gonna get called a Double A ready player, ain't gonna get sent to Europe to prove he can't play, and will continue to be developed as the QB of the future.

If DH is so far from providing reliable #2 play that there is no real competition for the job here, that doesn't mean he won't 'catch up' in the course of the season. We know Drew is a 'project' albeit a very talented one.

The worst scenario is a backup young enough to be agressively seeking a long term deal, and just good enough to put Drew on the very back burner, but NOT good enough to hang the future on has to be brought in.

Playing with Jason Witten or not playing with Jason Witten is not going to break Drew Henson. Not this season, or any season.

Have more faith.

Very Good Post LTN

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'll tell you this, if Romo can't throw the 20 yard out, I doubt Parcells has him practicing it. What good does it do to practice something your not going to be able to run in game sitos?

Doesn't make sense. Henson can make certain throws that you can only complete if you have the gun. That's a plus. It doesn't out make up for experience by any means but all things equal, an HC is going to opt for the gun rather then the average arm strength.

As someone who's been to 6 training camps, the QB's throw every pass in the route tree in practice. For one, you better know what your players can and can't do. Second, Its not just for the QB's, its for the WR's and the defensive players as well. Everyone has to do everything in practice. Anthony Thomas runs sweeps in practice. Keyshawn Johnson runs fly routes.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Could it be ... just maybe ... that Troy Aikman is right?

Troy also said that you had to judge guys in games, not just in practice.

And once again, I have nothing against Romo... In fact, it's clear we'd have been better off to start him his rookie year like Payton wanted. But I hope Parcells hasn't already made up his mind on Henson. And as ridiculous as some people will say that is, Parcells has done it before.

 

[noshame]

All QB's can make all throws. As a coach, you just need to decide how fast you want the ball to get there

 

[JackMagist]

I guess I'd have to know what Troy Aikman was right about before I could answer.

Aikman said that to watch Tony throw the ball and play QB that you would never know that he was a UDFA, you woulod think that he was a high round draft pick if you did not know where he came from. (paraphrased but close).

I don't think that Romo is an invalid by any means. On the other hand, I don't think he can throw the 10 yard slant in or 20 yard out the way Henson can either. I just think it's the difference between a big time arm and an arm that is not prototypical. Doesn't mean Romo can't make up for the arm strength difference in other ways. I'll tell you this, if Romo can't throw the 20 yard out, I doubt Parcells has him practicing it. What good does it do to practice something your not going to be able to run in game sitos?

Doesn't make sense. Henson can make certain throws that you can only complete if you have the gun. That's a plus. It doesn't out make up for experience by any means but all things equal, an HC is going to opt for the gun rather then the average arm strength.

First the arm strength issue came up because Romo did not make any huge throws in last Saturday’s game. Cbz (I think it was) said that he would like to see more deep passes and sideline throws to prove he had the arm strength. Everyone jumped on that and started the weak arm non-sense while choosing to ignore any and all evidence that Romo does indeed have a strong arm. Perhaps not as strong as Henson but strong enough.

Second there is a lot more to being a QB than having a huge gun. I was reminded the other night of the Morton / Staubach controversy. Anyone who remembers back then knows that Morton was the guy with the big gun while Staubach had an adequate arm and more...moxie...more intangibles. The big gun can only get you so far; you have to have the head for the game as well. Staubach won the battle here in Dallas but that does not mean that Morton was a slouch; he took two different teams to the Superbowl and that ain't bad.

To some extent that is what we are seeing with Henson and Romo though it is too early to tell how it will play out. I would not write either of these guys off just yet because both have their strong points. But as of RIGHT NOW...Romo has the upper hand because he does so many more things right than Henson...he is more mentally ready to play.

 

[JackMagist]

Troy also said that you had to judge guys in games, not just in practice.

Troy said considerably more than that

 

[JackMagist]

All QB's can make all throws. As a coach, you just need to decide how fast you want the ball to get there

You also have to decide who is more likely to make the right decision TO get it there. Nothing is so simple

 

[JackMagist]

Ditto to that.

"Jason Garrett" gets us by as the 2nd teamer for the time being and Henson has time to move from possibly being a "Rick Mirer" to maybe something in the future like a "David Carr". What do you think?

Jason Garrett doesn't play here anymore; he is a coach somewhere the last I heard. And Rick Mirer has played for just about every team in the league at one time or another so there is no telling where he is now.

However, we have a couple of good young prospect here named Tony Romo and Drew Henson if you's care to join the discussion about them.

 

[Dayton Cowboy]

Did I not just here BP say that it didn't matter who was practicing with what string in regards to this weekends preseason game?

 

[notherbob]

Are we forgetting that Parcells said he brought Romo, an udfa ,into the organization in order to develop him into a player he could get a draft choice out of?

Looks to me like that's exactly what's happening. When Henson is ready to take over this team, Romo may be too valueable to keep as a backup. I think his trade value is beginning to develop and is increasing every week.

I think BP knows what he is doing.

 

[NorthDalal]

I'm not willing to "Trust in Big Bill" when it comes to QBs.

In addition to choosing Brunner over Simms after a protracted QB TC battle he made an abrupt choice to go w/ Quincy, Hutchison may have been to Cali-sensitive for Bill and I respected his decision but given his personnel screwups last year I'm concerned....

The personnel mistakes are starting to add up:

Jacob Rogers, Andre Gurode in the line, Bradie James over Keith Adams at LB, staying satified with Troy Hambrick and Aveon Cason, failing to give Henson game experience last year, failing to acquire depth at CB last year, thinking they could get Roy to play centerfield in stead of up close after Woodson's injury, Leonardo Carson and Willie Blade and Eric Ogbogu. Marion Edwards and Dexter Coakley couldn't play here but Shanle and Kalen Thornton can.

Hey Bill you are what you are remember? Are you a Hall of Fame coach because you are a brilliant personnel man or because the Buffalo kick went wide?

 

[JackMagist]

Are we forgetting that Parcells said he brought Romo, an udfa ,into the organization in order to develop him into a player he could get a draft choice out of?

I don't know that we are forgetting it; it's hard to forget something that you never heard. This is the first that I have ever heard of such a comment but if he made it so be it. It seems to be working.

 

[Kangaroo]

If he can't do better than 3rd string after 2 years, how the **** can you say he's the future of the franchise. Unless of course you want the future to be as bleak as that last 10 years again. I think Parcells will toss his sorry *** out of camp after game 4 and pick up a decent veteran. Then look to the draft for our future qb.

Ask Jake delhoume and Kurt Warner that question

 

[speedkilz88]

Parcells said he charts every throw the players make, so if Romo doesn't have the ability to make half of the throws needed in the NFL Henson should have a huge advantage in the charts.

I mean, really, its not like Romo has a huge advantage in experience over Henson. He has 1 extra year and came from a Div. II school. If Romo truly was no more than a Jason Garrett talent, then Henson's ability should more than make up for 1 extra year of experience. Its not like Romo is a grizzled, canny veteran by any means.

Could it be ... just maybe ... that Troy Aikman is right?

If Parcells had Jason Garrett(in his prime) right now he would be Parcells backup.(easily over Romo and Henson) Not because he had the most talent(obviously he doesn't), but because he would be the guy that Parcells would trust the most if Bledsoe went down.

 

[JackMagist]

If Parcells had Jason Garrett(in his prime) right now he would be Parcells backup.(easily over Romo and Henson) Not because he had the most talent(obviously he doesn't), but because he would be the guy that Parcells would trust the most if Bledsoe went down.

And there is nothing wrong with that; Jason Garrett was a pretty decent backup in his prime. The thing is that neither Romo nor Henson is in their prime (NFL career wise). Romo is a little closer to it than Henson obviously but neither are there yet.

 

[NorthDalal]

I hope one of the young guys emerge, but I fear Henson is being Chad Hutchisoned into Cowboy Siberia.
In the Hutch/QC battle Bill also said he'd let them play out in competiton but in retrospect Bill made up his mind in mini-Camp and Hutchison was toast before TC started.
This was Bill's right as HC but...... given the two year's of events that followed it is clear that an abrupt decision was made based on who had the potential to be "a Parcell's guy" a phrase I think we are all getting impatient with.

And by the way as a disclaimer....I'll be a Cowboy fan long after BP has retired to remenisenses of his career as a Giant-Jet-Cowboy and I think it was an ego-centric mistake to leave Drew Pearson, Darren Woodson and Randy White at home while Jim Burt and Carl Banks parade around TC in Silver and Blue.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As someone who's been to 6 training camps, the QB's throw every pass in the route tree in practice. For one, you better know what your players can and can't do. Second, Its not just for the QB's, its for the WR's and the defensive players as well. Everyone has to do everything in practice. Anthony Thomas runs sweeps in practice. Keyshawn Johnson runs fly routes.

Fair enough but at this point in the season, I'd expect they are starting to run what's going to be run during the season. I don't dispute the fact that you have basic practice routin that every player follows. However, you don't spend all practice running these plays. That's not a question. That's a statement. By this time, Parcells knows what all the QBs in camp can and can't throw. He knew what Henson and Romo could throw long before camp ever started. The point here being that if your going to say every throw is charted and every game is charted, then clearly you can't assume that the kinds of throws being made by each QB is the same. Clearly, there not. In last Saturdays game, I don't recall any out routes or slants being thrown by Romo. On the other hand, Henson threw a very high percentage of these types of routes. See my point?