Jen Engel says Henson is still with the third team

[ABQCOWBOY]

Aikman said that to watch Tony throw the ball and play QB that you would never know that he was a UDFA, you woulod think that he was a high round draft pick if you did not know where he came from. (paraphrased but close).


First the arm strength issue came up because Romo did not make any huge throws in last Saturday’s game. Cbz (I think it was) said that he would like to see more deep passes and sideline throws to prove he had the arm strength. Everyone jumped on that and started the weak arm non-sense while choosing to ignore any and all evidence that Romo does indeed have a strong arm. Perhaps not as strong as Henson but strong enough.

Second there is a lot more to being a QB than having a huge gun. I was reminded the other night of the Morton / Staubach controversy. Anyone who remembers back then knows that Morton was the guy with the big gun while Staubach had an adequate arm and more...moxie...more intangibles. The big gun can only get you so far; you have to have the head for the game as well. Staubach won the battle here in Dallas but that does not mean that Morton was a slouch; he took two different teams to the Superbowl and that ain't bad.

To some extent that is what we are seeing with Henson and Romo though it is too early to tell how it will play out. I would not write either of these guys off just yet because both have their strong points. But as of RIGHT NOW...Romo has the upper hand because he does so many more things right than Henson...he is more mentally ready to play.

I don't agree with this post. I think that the statement, "Romo has a stong enough arm" is at best, inconclusive. I have not witnessed his arm strength shown well enough to be able to say this is a correct statement. I will agree that he has a lot of the other things but I can't say he has enough of an arm to be succesful as a starter. I think this is yet to be proven.

In addition, the comparison of Morton and Staubach are, IMO, not good. Staubach had a pretty decent arm. Perhaps not Elway like but certainly not Romo either. About Staubach, I think you could say he had "enough arm." About Romo, I think at this point, you have to say the jury is still out.

 

[speedkilz88]

And there is nothing wrong with that; Jason Garrett was a pretty decent backup in his prime. The thing is that neither Romo nor Henson is in their prime (NFL career wise). Romo is a little closer to it than Henson obviously but neither are there yet.

If you keep missing the boat you are going to drown.

Garrett would be the backup because he trusted him the most -the guy with the most experience. Well thats what he has said about Romo, he is ahead of Henson in running the offense- experience. He trust Romo more because he has that extra year and in Bill's book the third year is when they have to show you something. Romo is at that point, but Henson is not.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Jason Garrett doesn't play here anymore; he is a coach somewhere the last I heard. And Rick Mirer has played for just about every team in the league at one time or another so there is no telling where he is now.

However, we have a couple of good young prospect here named Tony Romo and Drew Henson if you's care to join the discussion about them.

Thanks Jack. I'll remember to ask "you's" permission before I join the discussion next time.

 

[JackMagist]

Thanks Jack. I'll remember to ask "you's" permission before I join the discussion next time.

That won't be necessary. I'll go ahead and give you's permission to join any discussion that we are having...no need to ask just join in :

 

[CaptainAmerica]

That won't be necessary. I'll go ahead and give you's permission to join any discussion that we are having...no need to ask just join in :

Can I still compare Romo and Henson to former or current players? That's the only way I'm coming back.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Can I still compare Romo and Henson to former or current players? That's the only way I'm coming back.

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Man, I sensed blood in the water. I was wrong. It was chunk of meat smothered in A-1 steak sauce.

Wow.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Troy also said that you had to judge guys in games, not just in practice.

And once again, I have nothing against Romo... In fact, it's clear we'd have been better off to start him his rookie year like Payton wanted. But I hope Parcells hasn't already made up his mind on Henson. And as ridiculous as some people will say that is, Parcells has done it before.

CL, do you think that Bill is in any way looking at Drew as he did Hutch?

When Tuna drafted Pennington with one of the four first round picks he had in 2000, he flat out said that that pick was 'for the future'. And Penny, straight out of school, was far NFL readier than Henson, off three year hiatus.

I bring this up because the QB situation in Dallas this year is very similar to the one in NY in 2000. Testaverde was still considered a starting QB, as Bledsoe is. And there was a much beloved undrafted free agent Ray Lucas who held the number two spot. Two guys Tuna esteemed highly.

But that didn't stop Bill from assigning Dan Henning a top mission - to develop Penny, the right way. Lucas got the idea and left the following offseason, sulky that the new regime "wasn't going in my direction", but it was clear all thru 2000 that Penny's #3 slot was in reality the prince awaiting the inevitable.

No matter how strong the bond was between Bill and the full of 'moxie' Lucas, it was Penny's talent really mattered.

Bill maintained 'leaving the organization set at QB' was a top priority.

And he DID.

I see the SAME MO operating here.

Bill scouted DH, signed him, and was enquiring about him, to of all people, Joe Torre, before Drew became available and a scant few weeks after being named Dallas HC. There is not point along the graph that I can sense Bill giving up on him, not one. And the hiring of David Lee was about Drew more than anything else.

Drew is not, by ALL camp reports, fan or media, as far along as Tony. Does it really mean much that he MAY not get to throw to Jason, or Terry in a preseason game? The quality of the receiver is not the crux of QB evaluation. You can see if a pass would have been completed even if it bounces off Morgans' hands or Pierce's back. And in camp practices, Bill with his infernal charts knows exactly who can complete what passes, and how often.

I'd like to see Drew behind the second team line (I mean, in theory, because in practice, even the first doesn't look sea worthy)..and see this on tv this summer.

But if I don't, I KNOW it doesn't mean Bill is pulling a Hutch on Henson. Not anything like it...Hutch was apparently dismissed as far back as the spring of 2003, when Bill assigned Richie Anderson as a mentor to Q.

I think Bill HAS 'made up his mind" on Henson . He's made up his mind no matter how we, the media, or even Jerry sqawk, Henson is going to be developed right. Working with the third or second team in preseason games does not change that, doesn't even factor as a blip on the screen.

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[JackMagist]

Can I still compare Romo and Henson to former or current players? That's the only way I'm coming back.

Well since you have Staubach for an avatar I guess so...but could you at least call them by their own names when making the comparisons. Surely they deserve that much.

 

[HHH]

Didn´t Parcells say during one of his minicamp PC that he usually plays his projected backup quarterback as the third guy during preseason games, because then he has a chance to rally the team from behind to a victory? If that is the case, it does not look bad for Drew Henson. Drew H., you are our future!!

 

[dougonthebench]

I don't think it means anything right now Bill keeps telling these reporter not to read to much into this competition yet they continue to do just that. Lets just see what happen over these next 3 pre-season games that will tell us everything, not who is taking what snaps at practice.

I agree!

 

[RCowboyFan]

CL, do you think that Bill is in any way looking at Drew as he did Hutch?

When Tuna drafted Pennington with one of the four first round picks he had in 2000, he flat out said that that pick was 'for the future'. And Penny, straight out of school, was far NFL readier than Henson, off three year hiatus.

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Excellent point LTN. I thought of pointing that out, about Pennington, although I dont have the insight into the whole deal as you have with Jets. I knew that there was lot of talk in Media that Pennington was a bust etc. before his explosion onto the scene.

But then I have an Agenda, I pretty soon plan to meet with the DON's of this agenda, Hos, BlindZebra and AdButcher to find the next direction of the Agenda

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well since you have Staubach for an avatar I guess so...but could you at least call them by their own names when making the comparisons. Surely they deserve that much.

Ok, will do, I really didn't mean to offend anyone, it's just Parcells is big on comparing players to former players and I'm hoping Henson doesn't remind him of Mirer.

Come to think of it, one time Parcells said Henson reminded him a little of Hostetler. Right now, I'd take that from Henson...1 SB win.

 

[Nors]

CL, do you think that Bill is in any way looking at Drew as he did Hutch?

When Tuna drafted Pennington with one of the four first round picks he had in 2000, he flat out said that that pick was 'for the future'. And Penny, straight out of school, was far NFL readier than Henson, off three year hiatus.

I bring this up because the QB situation in Dallas this year is very similar to the one in NY in 2000. Testaverde was still considered a starting QB, as Bledsoe is. And there was a much beloved undrafted free agent Ray Lucas who held the number two spot. Two guys Tuna esteemed highly.

But that didn't stop Bill from assigning Dan Henning a top mission - to develop Penny, the right way. Lucas got the idea and left the following offseason, sulky that the new regime "wasn't going in my direction", but it was clear all thru 2000 that Penny's #3 slot was in reality the prince awaiting the inevitable.

No matter how strong the bond was between Bill and the full of 'moxie' Lucas, it was Penny's talent really mattered.

Bill maintained 'leaving the organization set at QB' was a top priority.

And he DID.

I see the SAME MO operating here.

Bill scouted DH, signed him, and was enquiring about him, to of all people, Joe Torre, before Drew became available and a scant few weeks after being named Dallas HC. There is not point along the graph that I can sense Bill giving up on him, not one. And the hiring of David Lee was about Drew more than anything else.

Drew is not, by ALL camp reports, fan or media, as far along as Tony. Does it really mean much that he MAY not get to throw to Jason, or Terry in a preseason game? The quality of the receiver is not the crux of QB evaluation. You can see if a pass would have been completed even if it bounces off Morgans' hands or Pierce's back. And in camp practices, Bill with his infernal charts knows exactly who can complete what passes, and how often.

I'd like to see Drew behind the second team line (I mean, in theory, because in practice, even the first doesn't look sea worthy)..and see this on tv this summer.

But if I don't, I KNOW it doesn't mean Bill is pulling a Hutch on Henson. Not anything like it...Hutch was apparently dismissed as far back as the spring of 2003, when Bill assigned Richie Anderson as a mentor to Q.

I think Bill HAS 'made up his mind" on Henson . He's made up his mind no matter how we, the media, or even Jerry sqawk, Henson is going to be developed right. Working with the third or second team in preseason games does not change that, doesn't even factor as a blip on the screen.

Last week

Dallas brass talked to Torre on Hutchinson too. Thats eerie.

 

[kartr]

If he can't do better than 3rd string after 2 years, how the **** can you say he's the future of the franchise. Unless of course you want the future to be as bleak as that last 10 years again. I think Parcells will toss his sorry *** out of camp after game 4 and pick up a decent veteran. Then look to the draft for our future qb.

Hopefully you're right.

 

[blindzebra]

Excellent point LTN. I thought of pointing that out, about Pennington, although I dont have the insight into the whole deal as you have with Jets. I knew that there was lot of talk in Media that Pennington was a bust etc. before his explosion onto the scene.

But then I have an Agenda, I pretty soon plan to meet with the DON's of this agenda, Hos, BlindZebra and AdButcher to find the next direction of the Agenda

Sunday at Adbutcher's.

The secret handshake is two hands 7 fingers ending with, "Romo has a noodle arm, hoo yah!"

Spin meeting check list:

Location - check

Chips - check

No..er..dip - check

Hard liquor and crack - we still need these, get on it.

 

[Cbz40]

Nors I talk to former employers of people I'm thinking about hiring as well.......what is eerie about that?

 

[SultanOfSix]

Dallas brass talked to Torre on Hutchinson too. Thats eerie.

ROFL. Nors cracks me up. You really don't want Henson to succeed do you?

 

[RCowboyFan]

Sunday at Adbutcher's.

The secret handshake is two hands 7 fingers ending with, "Romo has a noodle arm, hoo yah!"

Spin meeting check list:

Location - check

Chips - check

No..er..dip - check

Hard liquor and crack - we still need these, get on it.

Yes sir!

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Ok, will do, I really didn't mean to offend anyone, it's just Parcells is big on comparing players to former players and I'm hoping Henson doesn't remind him of Mirer.

If Drew reminded him one iota of Mirer, he'd be gone. Never signed at all, in fact.

Mirer is considered by many Tuna Watchers the reason Bill is now willing to go with untested kids at backup.

He brought Mirer to NY when Rick had no less than 51 NFL starts under his belt. You'd think that would mean something, if just a sense of security.

But Mirer STUNK to high heavens.

That recommendation came form Tuna's good pal Ron Wolf.

I'm surprised they remained friends..and whatever gratis work Wolf provides the Cowboys, might just be an attempt to make up to Tuna for that one.