Jen Engel says Henson is still with the third team

[LaTunaNostra]

Dallas brass talked to Torre on Hutchinson too. Thats eerie.

Dallas brass weren't Bill Parcells.

 

[kartr]

I think Bill said that Henson has to improve this year. In my view, getting punked by an udfa qb is not improvement, it's declining. All this clap-trap over Henson is dum, we'd be better off looking in the draft for a real qb. Someone who's had 2-3 years recent starting experience at a major university would probably put both Henson and Romo on the bench where they belong. There are several qb's in the upcoming draft that meet all the requirements and would give us a better long range plan than trying to reinvent the wheel.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That was a great post, Herms.

No, I'm not saying that Parcells has given up on Henson. For one thing, I don't have enough information to say that. For all we know at this point, Henson might still roll out there Monday night with the second team and stay there all year.

However... There have been a lot of media rumblings from multiple sources that Parcells has soured on Henson. Is it all conjured-up media baloney? Maybe. But not every rumor we've heard about Parcells has been wrong, either. It's been a quite a long time now since Parcells told the Green Bay media that Henson was close to being able to step in and do this. When you say that about a guy and nine months later he doesn't even get to rotate in with the twos, you know that something has happened in the meantime.

You made some outstanding points in your parallel with the Jets. Believe me, I hope it's exactly the same here with Henson playing the role of Pennington. But I think it's fair to say that Romo is a better prospect than Lucas and Henson a worse one than Pennington. What's more, Pennington didn't get to play until Parcells left, did he?

I really didn't mean this to be a big deal, but I thought I'd post it because Jenny usually drinks the Kool-Aid by the gallon and this is one of the few times I've heard her sound miffed at Bill for not doing what he said he'd do. If she's raising an eyebrow about it, maybe we should, too.

 

[Hostile]

Dallas brass talked to Torre on Hutchinson too. Thats eerie.

Why would Jerry and Campo talk to Torre about Hutchinson? He was in the St. Louis Cardinals organization. They play in different leagues so it is doubtful they would have scouted him.

Yet another fallacy sniffed out by common sense.

 

[Hostile]

Dallas brass weren't Bill Parcells.

I know it is the Yankee hate fueling this.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I know it is the Yankee hate fueling this.

I'm a SOX fan too.

But the pain of decades of ineptitude from 1918 to 2004 merit a more deserving whipping boy than Drew Henson.

His once wearing the hated pinstripes can't be held against him..that would only be fitting if he had batted .350.

 

[blindzebra]

I know it is the Yankee hate fueling this.

I think it is a cocktail of things fueling this, but Henson being a former Yankee is in the shaker.

Part Yankee, part QC, a shot of under dog love, a splash of this will show them, add ice and shake.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dallas brass talked to Torre on Hutchinson too. Thats eerie.

I think they talked to Tony LaRussa about Hutchinson, which would make sense as he's the Manager of the St. Louis Cards. The MLB organization Hutchinson pitched for.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

That was a great post, Herms.

No, I'm not saying that Parcells has given up on Henson. For one thing, I don't have enough information to say that. For all we know at this point, Henson might still roll out there Monday night with the second team and stay there all year.

However... There have been a lot of media rumblings from multiple sources that Parcells has soured on Henson. Is it all conjured-up media baloney? Maybe. But not every rumor we've heard about Parcells has been wrong, either. It's been a quite a long time now since Parcells told the Green Bay media that Henson was close to being able to step in and do this. When you say that about a guy and nine months later he doesn't even get to rotate in with the twos, you know that something has happened in the meantime.

You made some outstanding points in your parallel with the Jets. Believe me, I hope it's exactly the same here with Henson playing the role of Pennington. But I think it's fair to say that Romo is a better prospect than Lucas and Henson a worse one than Pennington. What's more, Pennington didn't get to play until Parcells left, did he?

I really didn't mean this to be a big deal, but I thought I'd post it because Jenny usually drinks the Kool-Aid by the gallon and this is one of the few times I've heard her sound miffed at Bill for not doing what he said he'd do. If she's raising an eyebrow about it, maybe we should, too.

You're not keeping up, my friend, or you'd know Jenny has the hots for Drew.

J/K

Agreed Penny was drafted in the first round, Drew wasn't because he initially chose B ball. But Chad was also drafted in a supposed "poor QB crop year", and was never projected as a top ten pick. The 'consensus' on Henson was elite, franchise, top five pick had he stuck with football.

Yea, Tony has more skills than Ray did. But Ray in that stint in 99 kept Ds at bay with play action already built in and that powerful arm.....Tony is going to have to do it with a more balanced game.

But the point is Bill both recognizes the value of a franchise level QB, and is willing to be patient with its development. In NE and NY he left his teams with a top level QB..can't see where he'd want to do less here. Imho, that was what chasing Henson was all about.

CL, I've seen nothing tangible on the souring idea. Just speculation, wrapped up in truthful accounts that Drew has taken a step backward. Due to the new throwing motion. Is Bill gonna sour on a kid whose mechanics he decided to change, or at least went along with the idea to change?

Were Drew 'regressing' because he maxed potential, or didn't study, or was a lazy arse, I am sure Bill would quickly sour. But the kid spent all off season throwing...never a hint his work ethic is lacking.

I need a quote, an action, or even a remark that could be interpreted as souring before I'd give it any credence.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think Bill said that Henson has to improve this year. In my view, getting punked by an udfa qb is not improvement, it's declining. All this clap-trap over Henson is dum, we'd be better off looking in the draft for a real qb. Someone who's had 2-3 years recent starting experience at a major university would probably put both Henson and Romo on the bench where they belong. There are several qb's in the upcoming draft that meet all the requirements and would give us a better long range plan than trying to reinvent the wheel.

I would need to understand what "Punked" would intail. I don't think either QB has anything to be ashamed of at this point. If the AZ game is any indication, I'd say they are both making good progress.

As far as drafting a QB, well, I would tend to agree. I would even go so far as to say that I thought we should have drafted one three years ago. That's just me of course.

 

[Hostile]

CL, do you think that Bill is in any way looking at Drew as he did Hutch?

When Tuna drafted Pennington with one of the four first round picks he had in 2000, he flat out said that that pick was 'for the future'. And Penny, straight out of school, was far NFL readier than Henson, off three year hiatus.

I bring this up because the QB situation in Dallas this year is very similar to the one in NY in 2000. Testaverde was still considered a starting QB, as Bledsoe is. And there was a much beloved undrafted free agent Ray Lucas who held the number two spot. Two guys Tuna esteemed highly.

But that didn't stop Bill from assigning Dan Henning a top mission - to develop Penny, the right way. Lucas got the idea and left the following offseason, sulky that the new regime "wasn't going in my direction", but it was clear all thru 2000 that Penny's #3 slot was in reality the prince awaiting the inevitable.

No matter how strong the bond was between Bill and the full of 'moxie' Lucas, it was Penny's talent really mattered.

Bill maintained 'leaving the organization set at QB' was a top priority.

And he DID.

I see the SAME MO operating here.

Bill scouted DH, signed him, and was enquiring about him, to of all people, Joe Torre, before Drew became available and a scant few weeks after being named Dallas HC. There is not point along the graph that I can sense Bill giving up on him, not one. And the hiring of David Lee was about Drew more than anything else.

Drew is not, by ALL camp reports, fan or media, as far along as Tony. Does it really mean much that he MAY not get to throw to Jason, or Terry in a preseason game? The quality of the receiver is not the crux of QB evaluation. You can see if a pass would have been completed even if it bounces off Morgans' hands or Pierce's back. And in camp practices, Bill with his infernal charts knows exactly who can complete what passes, and how often.

I'd like to see Drew behind the second team line (I mean, in theory, because in practice, even the first doesn't look sea worthy)..and see this on tv this summer.

But if I don't, I KNOW it doesn't mean Bill is pulling a Hutch on Henson. Not anything like it...Hutch was apparently dismissed as far back as the spring of 2003, when Bill assigned Richie Anderson as a mentor to Q.

I think Bill HAS 'made up his mind" on Henson . He's made up his mind no matter how we, the media, or even Jerry sqawk, Henson is going to be developed right. Working with the third or second team in preseason games does not change that, doesn't even factor as a blip on the screen.

Last week

Excellent post m'lady.

 

[Hostile]

Didn´t Parcells say during one of his minicamp PC that he usually plays his projected backup quarterback as the third guy during preseason games, because then he has a chance to rally the team from behind to a victory? If that is the case, it does not look bad for Drew Henson. Drew H., you are our future!!

Yes, he did and Henson nearly pulled it off.

to the forum BTW. What took you so long to post? When will you be wrestling again?

 

[Hostile]

Sunday at Adbutcher's.

The secret handshake is two hands 7 fingers ending with, "Romo has a noodle arm, hoo yah!"

Spin meeting check list:

Location - check

Chips - check

No..er..dip - check

Hard liquor and crack - we still need these, get on it.

Do we get to haze RCowboyFan?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That was a great post, Herms.

No, I'm not saying that Parcells has given up on Henson. For one thing, I don't have enough information to say that. For all we know at this point, Henson might still roll out there Monday night with the second team and stay there all year.

However... There have been a lot of media rumblings from multiple sources that Parcells has soured on Henson. Is it all conjured-up media baloney? Maybe. But not every rumor we've heard about Parcells has been wrong, either. It's been a quite a long time now since Parcells told the Green Bay media that Henson was close to being able to step in and do this. When you say that about a guy and nine months later he doesn't even get to rotate in with the twos, you know that something has happened in the meantime.

You made some outstanding points in your parallel with the Jets. Believe me, I hope it's exactly the same here with Henson playing the role of Pennington. But I think it's fair to say that Romo is a better prospect than Lucas and Henson a worse one than Pennington. What's more, Pennington didn't get to play until Parcells left, did he?

I really didn't mean this to be a big deal, but I thought I'd post it because Jenny usually drinks the Kool-Aid by the gallon and this is one of the few times I've heard her sound miffed at Bill for not doing what he said he'd do. If she's raising an eyebrow about it, maybe we should, too.

You bring up an excellent point here on the Green Bay interview but who can really say. We all know that BP throws out miss direction at any opportunity. It strikes me as interesting that nowhere else did he say anything even remotely close to that in any of the Dallas media outlets. I mean, he could have been working an angle there. If I'm Parcells, I would probably try and see what kind of interest I could generate from a team who has an aging QB and nobody behind him (at the time). Regardless of what I think of the guy, I would always try to see what he's worth on the open market. That's just good business. I think you look at the GB thing and you take it for what it's worth. It's a single interview probably ment for the GB fan base only. Could have very little to do with the actual state of affairs in Dallas. JMO

 

[blindzebra]

Yes, he did and Henson nearly pulled it off.

to the forum BTW. What took you so long to post? When will you be wrestling again?

I'd say Henson did pull it off, a butt flinch, just kept it from happening.

Also keep in mind that last camp through 3 preseason games Henson was the #2 and had outperformed Romo by all reports in practice and in the first 2 games.

Romo lead a comeback in game 3 and the worm turned.

 

[blindzebra]

Do we get to haze RCowboyFan?

Old Betsy is ready. Just put a new grip on her and a nice cherry stain.

RCowboyFan, start practicing this line, "Thank you sir may I have another."

You bring the feathers, Hos and Ad can bring the eggs.

 

[Wolverine]

I am not sure what to think of this. But I do know that there is nothing to be made of this since none of us have any idea what BP is really thinking.

I would like to see Henson get some time with the 2nd team before the MNF game. If he will be playing the #2 spot it would be nice for him to have some time with them in practice. I would think it would also help BP and the coaches see how far along Henson is coming along by playing with the 2nd team.

I am not sure what to think also cuz of this. When Henson lead us to what could and should have been the game winning FG. Parcells told him - good job. So for him to say that he had to have done better then SOME people in here think.


Now here is something I am thinking of and it is JMO. Maybe Henson only plays with the 3rd team but this coming game he gets to be the #2 QB. BP could be using this as a test to see how Henson does in something like this.

I dunno what to think really. Everyone on here has their opinion on it but I think the best thing is to take what BP said. DON'T READ TO MUCH INTO IT.

For all we know BP will name Henson the #2 guy. We just don't know yet. We also have no idea what BP is doing and what the reasons are for it.

Just remember BP told Henson he did a good job when he came to the sideline. That is why I am not gonna ready anything into this.

 

[Nors]

To those that don't get Parcells.

Its really, really simple to read what he's going to do here.
Henson fans start your fall back spin. Its coming and fast. Romo will be named the backup as early as next Tuesday.

 

[junk]

Parcells: Don't let Nors get you down. He's just a pats fan anyway. :laugh2:

 

[SultanOfSix]

Suddenly Nors has the Parcellsometer running....

I've heard these words from Parcells many a time: "Don't read too much into it," when speaking about who's the 2nd or 3rd QB in practice or even in a preseason game so early.

Some of you need to take heed.