Jeremy Shockey Says Saints are beginning to look like the Cowboys

[Nors]

How did i know the Great Shanle would find his way into this thread

Tivo - The Shanle - he was an All Pro alternate for a reason. Kid is stout at point of attack and tough as nails.

 

[DallasFanSince86]

Where's the O-line comparison?

 

[Little Jr]

Where's the O-line comparison?

What is so bad about their OL? They gave up the fewest sacks in the NFL. They were part of the #4 O in the league and part of the #3 passing attack in the league. They're run game sucked but the lost their starting RB.

 

[saintlyagenda31]

Our defense is much improved from the 06 version they played against so I feel like we'd match up very well against them and that they wouldn't worry me offensively now.

And our offense would have a field day on their secondary that isn't any better, IMO, than it was last year. Their front 7 will be better, and that will help to some degree, but I don't think it will help enough for them to be a really serious threat to us.

But, our secondary has improve since the '06 game and your WR corp has decreased in talent without Glenn. Just a thought.

 

[Furor]

Yep, not one mention of the Saints O-line compared to the Cowboys O-line. The Saints do not matchup well in that phase of the offense compared to the 2008 Cowboys.

The Saints gave up 16 sacks last year, the boys gave up 25. They weren't good at run blocking last year, but the two top running backs were hurt at some point.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

But, our secondary has improve since the '06 game and your WR corp has decreased in talent without Glenn. Just a thought.

Right. That WR corp that helped Romo put up the best numbers for a season of any QB in Cowboys history. Without Glenn.

Oh, yeah, they definately wen't backwards.

Try again.

And the only thing your secondary has brought in, as an improvement, that I even recall was the guy from the Colts, before last season, and he spent the whole season showing off his skills at his post NFL Career.

Being a spokesman for burnt toast.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Of course, perhaps the greatest strength of the Cowboys offense is completely overlooked here...the offensive line.

:stupid:

 

[thewireman]

This thread is already linked up to the saintsreport.com board. They all mostly say were bitter because the Saints killed the Cowboys the last time they played. They remind me of Texan Fans thinking they will always beat the boys anytime they play just because they won the last game

 

[Doomsday101]

I really would not be surprised to see the Saints in the thick of the race this year. They took some injuries last year to key players but I think that team has some very good talent and will be one of the top teams in the NFC

 

[cowboys2233]

Yep, not one mention of the Saints O-line compared to the Cowboys O-line. The Saints do not matchup well in that phase of the offense compared to the 2008 Cowboys.

And while we're at it, let's take it a step further. Do the Saints parallel the Cowboys defense as it stands right now? ............. That's what I thought!

I think the writer makes very good points regarding the Saints offense. But I think you make very good points too -- while they are quite similar at the skill positions, you have to give a very big nod to the Cowboys offensive line versus the Saints, and a big nod to the Cowboys defense, although the Saints are vastly improved on that side of the ball from a year ago.

But yes, these are my two teams in the NFC championship game, Saints at Cowboys. Cowboys win. In the other, less important conference, I have San Diego vs. Jacksonville, with San Diego getting the nod. Unfortunately, there are too many juicy story lines in a Cowboy-Chargers Super Bowl, so it will probably wind up being Jacksonville.

 

[cowboys2233]

This thread is already linked up to the saintsreport.com board. They all mostly say were bitter because the Saints killed the Cowboys the last time they played. They remind me of Texan Fans thinking they will always beat the boys anytime they play just because they won the last game

Yes, but anyone who thinks clearly would see that it was a matter of out-scheming us, not out-talenting us. Sean Payton had the inside scoop on how Parcells likes to run things, and worked the old man over in the coaching department. The fact that their fullback was wide-open time and time and time again is all the proof you need.

Sean Payton doesn't have that advantage anymore, the schemes we run now are night and day compared to Parcells' antiquated version of the 3-4.

 

[big dog cowboy]

To me, it reads like Lee Johnson says the Saints offense will be like the Cowboys... not Jeremy Shockey. I don't think Shockey said anything in the whole article... not unless I just missed it.

Great point.

Misleading subject line.

Oh well it happens in here from time to time also.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, but anyone who thinks clearly would see that it was a matter of out-scheming us, not out-talenting us. Sean Payton had the inside scoop on how Parcells likes to run things, and worked the old man over in the coaching department. The fact that their fullback was wide-open time and time and time again is all the proof you need.

Sean Payton doesn't have that advantage anymore, the schemes we run now are night and day compared to Parcells' antiquated version of the 3-4.

The Saints that year played very well in many games and they flat out played us in the game we faced them in. That was 2 seasons ago and clearly we are a better team today than we were then but there is no doubt in my mind the Saints are a very talented team

 

[St. Richard]

While these comparisons can be fun for fans, they really serve no purpose since they are looking at what the teams have the potential to do. Most NFL rosters can be manipulated to show they compare favorably to another. The fact is that the games yet to be played will determine the effectiveness of the players mentioned in the blog and, of course, injuries will play a role. The Cowboys and Saints will not play each other this season, unless they meet in the playoffs, and the two offenses will obviously not face each other even then. So we can compare statistics or compare effectiveness through wins, but ultimately Cowboy fans will like their offense better (assuming it does as expected) and the Saints fans will like their offense better (assuming it does as expected). Both offenses have the potential to be among the best in the NFL and that's the only valid comparison to be made IMO.

 

[cowboys2233]

The Saints that year played very well in many games and they flat out played us in the game we faced them in. That was 2 seasons ago and clearly we are a better team today than we were then but there is no doubt in my mind the Saints are a very talented team

Their fullback scored three times -- not because he's a dynamic receiver, not because he is a quick and speedy runner, but because he was wide-open every single time.

They "outplayed" us because they outschemed us. But yes, we are much better today, both talent-wise and because Wade runs a much better version of the 3-4, with tendencies unfamiliar to Sean Payton.

 

[Doomsday101]

Their fullback scored three times -- not because he's a dynamic receiver, not because he is a quick and speedy runner, but because he was wide-open every single time.

They "outplayed" us because they outschemed us. But yes, we are much better today, both talent-wise and because Wade runs a much better version of the 3-4, with tendencies unfamiliar to Sean Payton.

They went out and executed their game plan to perfection, if you don't want to give credit where it is due then that is on you.

I'm not a spoiled sport I can give credit and I can look at other teams and see talent and take off blinders or some personal bias.

Saints have some very good talent and showed that Talent in the 2006 season not just against us but other teams in they faced.

Last year they had some key injuries that really hurt them but to act as if they lack talent or they could not compete against us is just being blind to the facts. I'm no fan of Shockey but I do think he is a good player and should be a good addition to that team.

 

[St. Richard]

This thread is already linked up to the saintsreport.com board. They all mostly say were bitter because the Saints killed the Cowboys the last time they played.

Try to keep in mind that a few posters on a particular thread may not truly represent the feelings of a board with over 18,000 members. Throw up a thread asking which team you hate more, the Cowboys or the Falcons, and anyone with an ax to grind with one of those teams will show up to state an opinion.

They remind me of Texan Fans thinking they will always beat the boys anytime they play just because they won the last game

Not quite the same. Quick quiz: When was the last time the Cowboys beat the Saints? Unless I am wrong, it was 1994. The teams haven't played that often in the last 15 years, but the Saints have won the last five, even a couple when Ditka couldn't get more than six wins in a season.

But all of that isn't relevant to the 2008 teams. Each season and each team stands on its own.

 

[cowboys2233]

They went out and executed their game plan to perfection, if you don't want to give credit where it is due then that is on you.

I'm not a spoiled sport I can give credit and I can look at other teams and see talent and take off blinders or some personal bias.

Saints have some very good talent and showed that Talent in the 2006 season not just against us but other teams in they faced.

Yeah, that's what I said. Show me where I said they lacked talent. I said they did not out-talent us, because we had a very talented team too.

Reading comprehension is not a crime, learn to embrace it. :LOL

Their fullback scored three times. If you're suggesting it's because that guy had more talent than our players on defense, you're a very funny person.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, that's what I said. Show me where I said they lacked talent. I said they did not out-talent us, because we had a very talented team too.

Reading comprehension is not a crime, learn to embrace it. :LOL

Their fullback scored three times. If you're suggesting it's because that guy had more talent than our players on defense, you're a very funny person.

It is because they executed the play as to why it worked, when Dallas did adjust in the Saints game the Saints also adjusted in the game. I'm just giving credit where it is due. If you are saying we had great talent then I would agree but we also had weakness which is why players were not getting over quick enough to put a stop to the screen out to the FB. We have since upgraded our talent

 

[thewireman]

Try to keep in mind that a few posters on a particular thread may not truly represent the feelings of a board with over 18,000 members. Throw up a thread asking which team you hate more, the Cowboys or the Falcons, and anyone with an ax to grind with one of those teams will show up to state an opinion.



Not quite the same. Quick quiz: When was the last time the Cowboys beat the Saints? Unless I am wrong, it was 1994. The teams haven't played that often in the last 15 years, but the Saints have won the last five, even a couple when Ditka couldn't get more than six wins in a season.

But all of that isn't relevant to the 2008 teams. Each season and each team stands on its own.

I understand, was just saying because I can't stand Texan fans and some of those fans sound like Texan fans. I don't know the schedule yet but do the Cowboys play the Saints at all this year?