Jerry admits he needs to change, so where's the change?

[vta]

The cap came into effect when we already had major stars and incredible depth on the team, we had to fit their contracts under the low cap that started. Nobody had ever had a cap in football, and he did a pretty good job keeping the team in tact through it. Injuries to Aikman and Irvin screwed us and killed the cap

This is ancient history and it doesn't at all excuse the following years of clumsiness.

The salary cap caused him to draft Quincy Carter? Hire Dave Campo as a HC? Bring in a loser like Ryan Leaf? And revert to that trend by overpaying for a 'pal', in Jason Garrett? Come on man, these ridiculously poor personell decisions have nothing to do with the salary cap.

Wait, so Jerry had nothing to do with anything when Parcells was here either?.

As I said fantasy world where Jerry is only in charge when things are bad

Non sequitur.

 

[vta]

In Jerry's defense, he has won the SB 3 times in 20 seasons.

That is about a SB championship every 7 years.

Not too bad for a sports franchise, especially considering that under Tex Shram and Tom Landry we had 2 SB championships in about 30 seasons (1960-1989).

That is a SB championship about every 15 seasons.

So Jerry has actually won SB championships at twice the rate before he bought the team. (15 yrs per title before Jerry, 7 yrs per title with Jerry).

Sorry fellas, I know this is a Jerry hate thread and I am going to get flamed and labeled a Jerry defender, but the numbers dont lie and the numbers dont have an agenda.

The numbers are lying, if you're going to misuse them. Averaging it out hides the truth. It wasn't, as we well know, a Super Bowl every 7 years, it was 3 in 4, with an outstanding cast and momentum. Once that cast dried up, Jerry's major deficiencies were exposed and the 16 years since have only cemented this truth.

You can't exist in a job with something you did 16 years ago, while floating on a recent history of failure. Neither could I. Only a stubborn boss could, and that's exactly what Jones is: his own stubborn boss.

 

[Jon88]

Jerry won 3 Super bowls in 7 years... he hasnt done anything since but kill the team!

I give 1erry all the credit in the world for hiring 1immy 1ohnson... but i also give him the credit for not winning a playoff game for 12 years!

I dont think Jerrys job should be based on how much talent he acquires... it should be based on wins and losses. Besides, we all know Jerry likes to sit around and wait for "talent" to get kicked off a team, anyway.


when he signs Mike Vick to backup Romo dont come crying to me!



can someone tell me Jerry best trade in the last 10 years?

I'm already prepared for it. I'm with you, it's not about collecting talent, it's about winning. We haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

 

[Venger]

I'm already prepared for it. I'm with you, it's not about collecting talent, it's about winning. We haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

That's Jerry's MO for sure - hiring "talent" or "flair". Guy assembles a roster like a kid collecting players cards. Sometimes it works, but normally, it doesn't, because the kid doesn't see the collection for the collection itself, just sees alot of great cards.

 

[Hostile]

First of all can someone post a forum wide acceptable job description for a NFL GM....

Upon having that, I think we can than all judge whether or not the job is being accomplished to fan satisfaction...

I thought about doing this last night, but figured it would be crushing dissent.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I thought about doing this last night, but figured it would be crushing dissent.

:laugh2:

Did I just go back in time?

 

[Zaxor]

I thought about doing this last night, but figured it would be crushing dissent.

it would be...

but with a name like Hostile how can you resist :laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

:laugh2:

Did I just go back in time?

Damn, I've got Huey Lewis as Marty McFly singing in my dome now.

it would be...

but with a name like Hostile how can you resist :laugh2:

I have to save the sanity of the drama queens.

 

[Zaxor]

I have to save the sanity of the drama queens.

very noble :laugh1:

 

[Bleu Star]

Jerry admits he needs to change, so where's the change?

The change is in his pockets. Plenty of it...

 

[Football Is Erick]

rome wasn't burnt in a day.

The expression is "Rome wasn't built in a day." LOL

 

[Alexander]

First of all can someone post a forum wide acceptable job description for a NFL GM....

Upon having that, I think we can than all judge whether or not the job is being accomplished to fan satisfaction...

That would be very cute, but hardly applicable to the management model we use.

We don't have a full-time General Manager. We do not have a individual dedicated to that role.

Unlike any other GM, he can apply his wishes with the full and unwavering mandate of the owner because they are one and the same. He answers to no one. Any mistake he makes will be magnified because there are no consequences to them.

 

[Venger]

Unlike any other GM, he can apply his wishes with the full and unwavering mandate of the owner because they are one and the same. He answers to no one. Any mistake he makes will be magnified because there are no consequences to them.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Hostile]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So now he's a Maserati. Funny, Jones doesn't sound Italian.

 

[Alexander]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I don't believe he is corrupt. To me that implies he's somehow evil.

In general, he has very good intentions. He cares about the fans and his franchise and wants a winner. I don't care for how he respects the tradition of the franchise, but that is another story entirely.

His problem is that his ego is enormous. Success is not enough. He wants the credit too. He simply does not want to share the credit for success or take full blame for failure. He does at times have his moments of self-realization and when he does, you get what he did with Coach Parcells, which I am sure took a lot of effort.

I think last year drove him back to believing he was responsible for any and all success. In a manner of speaking, it drove him mad and destroyed much of the calculation and patience that he developed in the previous half decade.

 

[jackrussell]

it's jan 2nd.

rome wasn't burnt in a day.

The expression is "Rome wasn't built in a day." LOL

I'll burn that bridge before I cross it.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So now he's a Maserati. Funny, Jones doesn't sound Italian.

I am, wuts the madeer fer youse?

 

[Hostile]

I don't believe he is corrupt. To me that implies he's somehow evil.

In general, he has very good intentions. He cares about the fans and his franchise and wants a winner. I don't care for how he respects the tradition of the franchise, but that is another story entirely.

His problem is that his ego is enormous. Success is not enough. He wants the credit too. He simply does not want to share the credit for success or take full blame for failure. He does at times have his moments of self-realization and when he does, you get what he did with Coach Parcells, which I am sure took a lot of effort.

I think last year drove him back to believing he was responsible for any and all success. In a manner of speaking, it drove him mad and destroyed much of the calculation and patience that he developed in the previous half decade.

So you think 2008 was karma for his hubris after 2007?

I am not mocking, I am sincerely asking.

 

[Zaxor]

That would be very cute, but hardly applicable to the management model we use.

We don't have a full-time General Manager. We do not have a individual dedicated to that role.

Unlike any other GM, he can apply his wishes with the full and unwavering mandate of the owner because they are one and the same. He answers to no one. Any mistake he makes will be magnified because there are no consequences to them.

While everything you said is the truth especially the cute part...without a standard under which to judge him as General Manager all complaints hold little to no merit because they are purely subjective... what we must determine are the absolutes to which every GM is held regardless if they are the GM/owner, GM/Head Coach or GM/Waterboy... with that than we can see how Jerry the GM measures up...and whether Jerry the GM is benefiting from Jerry the owner....

 

[Jon88]

Not to be a nit picker but to my recollection Jon88 expressed his distrust in Jerry and how he runs this team from the propaganda during training camp until the end of the season. He called Jerry a sleazy business man and feels he is not of top notch GM material. He refuses to allow himself to buy tickets while Jerry continues the structure. I'm not Jon's agent but he has a right to his opinion and I could see why people are getting upset with this structure. Other than Al Davis, who is out to lunch, what other owner is pulling this style? Even Dan Snyder does not use this structure.

My perception is that Jon88 is an overly huge fan of this team and he wants this organizations back up against the wall where it really hurt them. The $. He never disgraced anyone for being a fan and did not go outside of the original topic discussed which was Jerry and whether or not he could change. He did not bash the whole team. He does not like Jerry, plain and simple. I love Jerry the owner who is willing to market and help get the personnel the team feels is necessary player wise but I can't stand the results GM Jerry is getting and all this talk and no walk. If he does not want to step away from being the GM at least go get a real coach who can will a team.

Your assessment is right, but I'm not an overly huge fan I don't think. I don't have the NFL network. I've only been to one regular season game (no playoffs). I'm just tired of the direction that Jerry has taken this team. If people stopped buying the merchandise and going to the games, the same thing as rewarding this idiot for doing a terrible job, then I think things would change a lot quicker. Change is what we need.