Jerry admits he needs to change, so where's the change?

[BigDFan5]

Well, this is quite ironic, since Jerry is lauded as a business man. I'd imagine a man who could make a fortune in a regulated capitalist society, wouldn't have much trouble with a regulated system of buying players for his team. So much for his business acumen.

He's out of his element and should admit so. he may very well be a fantastic business man, but he is far from a fantastic football man.

The cap came into effect when we already had major stars and incredible depth on the team, we had to fit their contracts under the low cap that started. Nobody had ever had a cap in football, and he did a pretty good job keeping the team in tact through it. Injuries to Aikman and Irvin screwed us and killed the cap

Again, as I've said elsewhere, how is it that one year of good drafting erases years of ridiculous drafting? Maybe he learned something Parcells during his tenure, but let's not anoint the guy for one years' work, especially when we have a number of years that were absolutely awful to guide our opinions of him.

Let him do it for a few years with such success before we start lauding him.

Wait, so Jerry had nothing to do with anything when Parcells was here either?.

As I said fantasy world where Jerry is only in charge when things are bad

 

[Alexander]

Things happened like salary cap coming into effect

Cap hell starting

Parity

So it is the fault of the salary cap and parity that kept this franchise from maintaining competitiveness or even winning a single playoff game for 12 years?

Please tell me you are not saying this.

Notice how the team drafting and free agency decisions are prtty good now? Is it still Jimmy doing it? No its a combo of Jerry the scouts and the coach just like it has been since the day he bought the team

I'd say he's doing what Coach Parcells helped him learn to do again. Learn to trust your scouting department. Even Jimmy Johnson himself had issues with this, but he had his best success when he did. Jones ripped the scouting department out and apart when Johnson left. He fired everyone. The system was not re-installed until Coach Parcells came aboard. He rid the team of Lacewell's influence, installed Ireland and Jones simply allowed Ciskowski to assume Ireland's place. That is why our decisions are better now.

 

[Alexander]

Maybe he learned something from Parcells during his tenure, but let's not anoint the guy for one years' work, especially when we have a number of years that were absolutely awful to guide our opinions of him.

There is no "maybe" about it.

 

[BigDFan5]

So it is the fault of the salary cap and parity that kept this franchise from maintaining competitiveness or even winning a single playoff game for 12 years?

Please tell me you are not saying this.

Thats not what I said, there were many factors. Having No successor to Aikman hurt a ton. Bad drafts a few years because of bad scouting or traded picks. There are many factors I was naming a couple

I'd say he's doing what Coach Parcells helped him learn to do again. Learn to trust your scouting department. Even Jimmy Johnson himself had issues with this, but he had his best success when he did. Jones ripped the scouting department out and apart when Johnson left. He fired everyone. The system was not re-installed until Coach Parcells came aboard. He rid the team of Lacewell's influence, installed Ireland and Jones simply allowed Ciskowski to assume Ireland's place. That is why our decisions are better now.

I agree with listening to scouts and obviously he didnt always do that. When he did they missed as well. bringing in a new scouting leaders was a great thing

 

[Dodger12]

Thats not what I said, there were many factors. Having No successor to Aikman hurt a ton. Bad drafts a few years because of bad scouting or traded picks. There are many factors I was naming a couple

I agree with listening to scouts and obviously he didnt always do that. When he did they missed as well. bringing in a new scouting leaders was a great thing

I give you a ton of credit for being consistent. It's the salary cap, it's the aging vetereans and when he made bad picks, it's because he listened to his scouts. It's never Jerry.:laugh2:

 

[BigDFan5]

I give you a ton of credit for being consistent. It's the salary cap, it's the aging vetereans and when he made bad picks, it's because he listened to his scouts. It's never Jerry.:laugh2:

Are you reading what I am typing? I said he didnt always listen to them that would be his fault

Players getting hurt under large contracts was not his fault, the cap coming in effect was not his fault, trading away picks as I mentioned earlier was his fault


See me I say Jerry worked with coaches and scouts and succedded and failed together

You say Jerry the meddler was quiet in his corner when Jimmy was here, busted out and did everything himself for a few years, then went back to the corner when Bill got here


I believe Jerry has helped and hurt the Cowboys

You believe he only hurt them


One of us is consistent alright

 

[Beast_from_East]

You tell me. Jerry sucks and you defend him.

Hostile is right here, Jerry the GM has not done that bad of a job. Now before everybody laughs at me or flames me, hear me out.

The role of a GM is to acquire talent, correct???

Our team is universally thought of around the league as having the most talented roster. (GMs and scouts from other teams have even said that.)

So if the the team is one of (if not the most) talented team in the NFL and the job of the GM is to acquire talent, then didnt our GM do a fairly good job???

Look at it this way, if our GM was John Doe and he assembled a roster of 13 probowlers and signed them all to long term contracts, would GM John Doe before responsible for the loses and need to be fired???

I dont think so, not when you look at the situation logically and take any preconceived emotion you have for Jerry out of the mix. The job of the GM is to acquire talent and we have one of the most talented rosters in the league.................thus, the GM is not the problem fellas.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Another one with this fantasy that GM Jerry was just a wilted flower that stood in the corner and said yes sir to Jimmy Johnson.

He is supposedly such a meddler, yet they convince themselves that any good that happens to the team was because Jerry called in sick that day or something

If Jimmy Johnson is such a great GM and everything, why did he do jack when he went to Miami???

I mean, Parcells has done more with Miami than Jimmy ever did.

If I remember correctly, didnt Jimmy leave the Dolphins after Jim Kelly and the Bills dropped 60 on his arse in a playoff game???

I dont get all this love for Jimmy, it is like some of you guys want to build a statue of the guy outside the new stadium.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He was new to the game and deferred to someone who knew better. He watched for a few years, probably figured it looked easy and then set forth about thinking he should be the influential voice of the franchise, instead of letting one of his subjects take all the glory and get all the head lines. The evidence doesn't lie; he has since driven the franchise into the ground and made it one joke after another. It thrives on the momentum of loyal fans, who despite the years of absolute deficiency, still love it.

Clowns who have had absolutely no business following in the foot steps of Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson have looked hopeless on the sidelines. Losers who had no business lining up under center to replace true great football legends were brought in in a downpour of mockery, only to give full credence to that mockery; all because this narcissist thinks he knows something 31 other GM's don't know.

No one feels so passionate about this out of ignorance, there's a great trail of failure all with Jerry Jones' name imprinted on it for anyone to see. Jones is and will remain the problem with the Cowboys.

In Jerry's defense, he has won the SB 3 times in 20 seasons.

That is about a SB championship every 7 years.

Not too bad for a sports franchise, especially considering that under Tex Shram and Tom Landry we had 2 SB championships in about 30 seasons (1960-1989).

That is a SB championship about every 15 seasons.

So Jerry has actually won SB championships at twice the rate before he bought the team. (15 yrs per title before Jerry, 7 yrs per title with Jerry).

Sorry fellas, I know this is a Jerry hate thread and I am going to get flamed and labeled a Jerry defender, but the numbers dont lie and the numbers dont have an agenda.

 

[Dodger12]

Are you reading what I am typing? I said he didnt always listen to them that would be his fault

Players getting hurt under large contracts was not his fault, the cap coming in effect was not his fault, trading away picks as I mentioned earlier was his fault


See me I say Jerry worked with coaches and scouts and succedded and failed together

You say Jerry the meddler was quiet in his corner when Jimmy was here, busted out and did everything himself for a few years, then went back to the corner when Bill got here


I believe Jerry has helped and hurt the Cowboys

You believe he only hurt them


One of us is consistent alright

BigD, someone's not reading but it's not me. Either way, I've recognized the good that Jerry's done and he's been instrumental in this team's success in the past. Jimmy needed Jerry and the same holds true when Parcell's was here and they had to rebuild the franchise.

He's had a formula for winning and rebuilding the organization with a strong HC at the helm. He needs to get back to it before our window with a core group of solid players closes for good. Jerry's stated that he needs to change which for me is an affirmation that he's made some critical mistakes in a 2 year period that he's had a soft coach. He's not a rookie Owner/GM. Get a formula and stick with it.

 

[Dodger12]

Hostile is right here, Jerry the GM has not done that bad of a job. Now before everybody laughs at me or flames me, hear me out.

The role of a GM is to acquire talent, correct???

Our team is universally thought of around the league as having the most talented roster. (GMs and scouts from other teams have even said that.)

So if the the team is one of (if not the most) talented team in the NFL and the job of the GM is to acquire talent, then didnt our GM do a fairly good job???

Look at it this way, if our GM was John Doe and he assembled a roster of 13 probowlers and signed them all to long term contracts, would GM John Doe before responsible for the loses and need to be fired???

I dont think so, not when you look at the situation logically and take any preconceived emotion you have for Jerry out of the mix. The job of the GM is to acquire talent and we have one of the most talented rosters in the league.................thus, the GM is not the problem fellas.

Aquiring talent is only half the battle. The GM also hires the HC.

I agree that he's brought in some talent and our 2008 draft class has a shot at being outstanding. He just constinues to de-emphasize and minimze the importance of the HC and shoots himself in the foot after aquiring some good players. There's no reason we shouldn't be playing this weekend.

 

[Zaxor]

First of all can someone post a forum wide acceptable job description for a NFL GM....

Upon having that, I think we can than all judge whether or not the job is being accomplished to fan satisfaction...

 

[MONT17]

Jerry won 3 Super bowls in 7 years... he hasnt done anything since but kill the team!

I give 1erry all the credit in the world for hiring 1immy 1ohnson... but i also give him the credit for not winning a playoff game for 12 years!

I dont think Jerrys job should be based on how much talent he acquires... it should be based on wins and losses. Besides, we all know Jerry likes to sit around and wait for "talent" to get kicked off a team, anyway.


when he signs Mike Vick to backup Romo dont come crying to me!



can someone tell me Jerry best trade in the last 10 years?

 

[OAM]

No you don't have to like him.

But guess what? Like it or not, you and the rest of us fans are stuck with him!




Anything else bothering you?



Wow. He's been in some brawls before. Way to go. Well, I agree with you. Those are my sentiments. It's a shame that feeling that way isn't welcomed here.

I appreciate you being wholehearted and I don't question you being a fan of this team at all. In fact us fans needs to speak out in my opinion. I'll blog with you any day because you are unbiased but love this team. I'm mad too. Feel like I'm always getting hustled watching this team. It's been rough times.

 

[OAM]

Another one with this fantasy that GM Jerry was just a wilted flower that stood in the corner and said yes sir to Jimmy Johnson.

He is supposedly such a meddler, yet they convince themselves that any good that happens to the team was because Jerry called in sick that day or something

I think Jerry is the best owner in the league and maybe in all of professional sports. I just think it would serve this team better to get a top personnel man/GM after taking a beating for 13 years. We have tried the GM Jerry experiment for 13 years and he is talking about him changing his ways. OK, so change them, get either a GM by trade or a coach that holds the reins.

Lame duck coaching won't get us over the hump being 0-4 in the playoffs and having a GM who has overseen an 0-8 record in week 17 from 2000-2008 isn't getting it done either. Argue all you want, those are the results and Jerry and Wade are the 2 biggest titles that have to answer for that? You want people to call out the water boy? Who else calls the shots on this over hyped team? I don't even want to hear about T.O, lol!

 

[OAM]

Just a question, most people who are negative have SOMETHING they post positively about, but not this guy.

You are negative alot have I ever asked you that? No because while you are pissed understandably you dont slam every part and position of the team, you arent saying everyone should be cut/fired. You arent saying you arent going to care anymore etc.

Not to be a nit picker but to my recollection Jon88 expressed his distrust in Jerry and how he runs this team from the propaganda during training camp until the end of the season. He called Jerry a sleazy business man and feels he is not of top notch GM material. He refuses to allow himself to buy tickets while Jerry continues the structure. I'm not Jon's agent but he has a right to his opinion and I could see why people are getting upset with this structure. Other than Al Davis, who is out to lunch, what other owner is pulling this style? Even Dan Snyder does not use this structure.

My perception is that Jon88 is an overly huge fan of this team and he wants this organizations back up against the wall where it really hurt them. The $. He never disgraced anyone for being a fan and did not go outside of the original topic discussed which was Jerry and whether or not he could change. He did not bash the whole team. He does not like Jerry, plain and simple. I love Jerry the owner who is willing to market and help get the personnel the team feels is necessary player wise but I can't stand the results GM Jerry is getting and all this talk and no walk. If he does not want to step away from being the GM at least go get a real coach who can will a team.

 

[OAM]

Are you reading what I am typing? I said he didnt always listen to them that would be his fault

Players getting hurt under large contracts was not his fault, the cap coming in effect was not his fault, trading away picks as I mentioned earlier was his fault


See me I say Jerry worked with coaches and scouts and succedded and failed together

You say Jerry the meddler was quiet in his corner when Jimmy was here, busted out and did everything himself for a few years, then went back to the corner when Bill got here


I believe Jerry has helped and hurt the Cowboys

You believe he only hurt them


One of us is consistent alright

OK, so should Jerry remain GM or at least let a real head coach manage these players after 13 seasons of no playoff wins?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Jerry won 3 Super bowls in 7 years... he hasnt done anything since but kill the team!

I give 1erry all the credit in the world for hiring 1immy 1ohnson... but i also give him the credit for not winning a playoff game for 12 years!

I dont think Jerrys job should be based on how much talent he acquires... it should be based on wins and losses. Besides, we all know Jerry likes to sit around and wait for "talent" to get kicked off a team, anyway.


when he signs Mike Vick to backup Romo dont come crying to me!



can someone tell me Jerry best trade in the last 10 years?

I think the trade with Cleveland where we got their 1st the following year.

I know Cleveland actually turned out to be pretty good, but that pick ended up being Felix Jones.

Felix Jones >>>>> Brady Quinn

 

[OAM]

I give you a ton of credit for being consistent. It's the salary cap, it's the aging vetereans and when he made bad picks, it's because he listened to his scouts. It's never Jerry.:laugh2:

. You mean the Jerry who bolsters about this team before even training camp begins every year? That Jerry? LOL! Jerry is a good business man as we know, he's not a good GM as we also know. Wow, if Jerry could walk on the field as well as he talks. We'd never be in this conversation. LOL!

 

[OAM]

I think the trade with Cleveland where we got their 1st the following year.

I know Cleveland actually turned out to be pretty good, but that pick ended up being Felix Jones.

Felix Jones >>>>> Brady Quinn

Well, it really is Anthony Spencer + Brady Quinn when we already had a franchise QB waiting to get signed long term. I agree, good trade and probably his best in the last decade.

From what I've heard, Jerry grabbing Demarcus Ware at # 11 instead of Marcus Spears despite Parcells opinion was maybe Jerry's best decision other than getting Jimmy Johnson to coach period.