Jerry and Stephen disagree on Dak running? **merged**

[CowboysFaninHouston]

look without his running ability hes a below average passer, hes not starter without his legs..Im sorry its the truth, he is what he is and his legs make him better..you want proof Tyrod Taylor looked horrible throwing but they kept him in, a Rookie Baker Mayfield comes off the bench cold to play his first snap in the NFL, and takes them down and gets 3 in two minute period..comes out and basically in 31 mins of play has the production of an entire Dak Game..BM is a NFL QB with Arm Talent , he can make living in the pocket, even though he can move hes more like a Romo where he uses his legs to buy time to hit guys downfield.. Dak needs his legs to be a viable starter at best..its pretty obvious to most by now that Dak has to use his legs to keep drives going because he hasn't got much better from the standing pocket presence..I wish Dak all the luck in the world as hes our Qb but its become apparent watching natural passers like Baker Mayfield be able to things dak can not..Cam, TT, is the same way there are others, take the run out of their game well they are backups at best..go back always like Griffin and a bigger name like Mike Vick..some guys need that its part of their game..

exactly. I am not ready to anoint anything to Baker Mayfield, but the argument I have had from the beginning, first and foremost an NFL QB has to be able to throw from the pocket, everything else is icing on the cake and gravy...if they can't throw from the pocket, then its like having a meatloaf and gravy dinner, without the meatloaf....

 

[Sydla]

Did I say I believe it? I said I read it and don't know if it is true. So try reading my post again. I do listen to his press conferences and marvel at how stupid he sounds.

How stupid he sounds? He actually sounds very intelligent when he talks.

And the massive business empire he has built, one that has been studied by Harvard Business Review, would likely show he's not the bumbling fool you think he is.

 

[cern]

I usually agree with you but don't you think its time to actually win a playoff game or 2? The Dallas FO has not earned any credibility given the last 20 plus years. Fans have a right to be skeptical until proven otherwise.

Stephen's influence as regards the larger decisions involving the club are recent. imo, he's done a good job of things. less and less jerry means more Stephen. that's what i'm seeing and I think it bodes well for the cowboys.

 

[cern]

Did I say I believe it? I said I read it and don't know if it is true. So try reading my post again. I do listen to his press conferences and marvel at how stupid he sounds.

just me. I wouldn't post a man's i.q. suggesting he's a functional illiterate unless I knew it to be true.

 

[blueblood70]

exactly. I am not ready to anoint anything to Baker Mayfield, but the argument I have had from the beginning, first and foremost an NFL QB has to be able to throw from the pocket, everything else is icing on the cake and gravy...if they can't throw from the pocket, then its like having a meatloaf and gravy dinner, without the meatloaf....

Im not either but he made Tyrod Talyor look REAL BAD.. the difference is Pure passer VS athlete.. BM came of the bench cold and his number could have been ridiculous had he not had what 3 dropped passes for big yards dropped.. Hey Im a longhorn fan and hated BM in college but you'd have to be blind to not see he has real talent that doesnt need a lot of tweaking..its a natural thing vs a forced thing, him seeing the field, feeling the pocket, and knowing where to put the ball to make it more catchable .

 

[Whyjerry]

Stephen's influence as regards the larger decisions involving the club are recent. imo, he's done a good job of things. less and less jerry means more Stephen. that's what i'm seeing and I think it bodes well for the cowboys.

If Jerry is the bar, sure Stephen may be better. Same head coach and philosophy for the last 8 years has yielded nothing. We are at the show me stage in this franchise's history. Cutting Dez was the right move but how about doing nothing to take advantage of Dak's rookie contract? That FO should be all in for the next 2 seasons. Instead you have Jason Garrett, no ET, a garbage receiving corp, an aging OL, and the worst OC in the league. Please excuse me if I remain skeptical.

 

[cern]

Both are Idiots to some to degree, but both are very smart as well. Jerry is too giving, Stephen is too cheap and wants to let everyone go like the Patriots, but they dont have the coach to continually coach up players. Somewhere in the middle of the 2 would be ideal. The biggest difference with me is I love Jerry. At least he kept players on this team that I love. I dont "love" anyone on this team right now. I love the cowboys, but I dont have an attachment to any player like I did with, Staubach, Tony Hill, Dorsett, Irvin, Smith, Aikman, Romo, TO, Ware, Woodson, Witten, Dan Bailey, Dez, Quincy (Yeah I said Quincy...he gave me my first Playoff appearance in years) etc...

Jaylon Smith, Tank are possibly on the way, but we will see. I think Zeke is Good, but I dont like him because I think hes an idiot.

do you think zack martin regards Stephen as cheap? I doubt it. zekes's just a big kid at heart. but he seems to be growing up quickly.

 

[Whyjerry]

just me. I wouldn't post a man's i.q. suggesting he's a functional illiterate unless I knew it to be true.

It is widely reported and their is plenty of evidence to suggest the man is not splitting atoms. You can spin it all you want. Don't trip when you hop off the PC soapbox.

 

[cern]

If Jerry is the bar, sure Stephen may be better. Same head coach and philosophy for the last 8 years has yielded nothing. We are at the show me stage in this franchise's history. Cutting Dez was the right move but how about doing nothing to take advantage of Dak's rookie contract? That FO should be all in for the next 2 seasons. Instead you have Jason Garrett, no ET, a garbage receiving corp, an aging OL, and the worst OC in the league. Please excuse me if I remain skeptical.

imo, taking advantage of dak's rookie contract is exactly what we're doing. getting all we can on the cheap while we gain cap space for the future. we had to franchise tank and sign zack this year. it's one thing to say get et, but at what point is the price simply too much? I think they will offer Jourdan lewis and a third round pick for et after the seattle game. not sure if it will work, but that's the way I think they're leaning. garrett is jerry's pet kitty. but he's not Stephen's. as for wr's, we actively sought out Sammy Watkins and offered him a good deal. he liked the chiefs better. we drafted a quality wr in gallup. the year we took zeke, we wanted wentz. but philly leapfrogged us. nothing we could do about it. i'm good with Stephen.

 

[cern]

It is widely reported and their is plenty of evidence to suggest the man is not splitting atoms. You can spin it all you want. Don't trip when you hop off the PC soapbox.

you think he's a boob. I don't. hardly soap box material. he is wise not to split atoms. very dangerous to one's health.

 

[Whyjerry]

It is widely reported and their is plenty of evidence to suggest the man is not splitting atoms. You can spin it all you want. Don't trip when you hop off the PC soapbox.

you think he's a boob. I don't. hardly soap box material.

Really? Suggesting it was untoward of me to note a widely circulated piece of info and to do so was somehow beneath you seems pretty Soap Box to me. Go get some reel therapy.

 

[OmerV]

It is widely reported and their is plenty of evidence to suggest the man is not splitting atoms. You can spin it all you want. Don't trip when you hop off the PC soapbox.

There is a lot of room between "splitting atoms" and having an extremely low, borderline impaired IQ. LeBron is no genius, but he's far from the idiot you make him out to be. There is nothing in any interview I have seen that suggests he has difficulty grasping simple concepts or discussing whatever is asked.

 

[Whyjerry]

There is a lot of room between "splitting atoms" and having an extremely low, borderline impaired IQ. LeBron is no genius, but he's far from the idiot you make him out to be. There is nothing in any interview I have seen that suggests he has difficulty grasping simple concepts or discussing whatever is asked.

Shouldn't you Lebron lovers be taking your talents to LA or something.

 

[OmerV]

Shouldn't you Lebron lovers be taking your talents to LA or something.

Is your goal to prove you are the one with the 76 IQ? If so, you are well on your way.

Personally, I'm not a big LeBron fan. I thought his TV special to announce his move to Miami was egotistical, and I don't think he always uses his talent, though immense, in a way that best helps his team.

But your comment is the fall back we see with many posters who struggle to make a point - if the point you try to make fails just throw mindless accusations at the other person.

 

[irishline]

It is widely reported and their is plenty of evidence to suggest the man is not splitting atoms. You can spin it all you want. Don't trip when you hop off the PC soapbox.

Where is it "widely" reported? Google is your friend. Find me these wide reports... Here is a link to help, please use all and any tabs there... find me all these reports. That is unless you believe internet search engines are part of a big conspiracy.

If you can't find something to actually back it up, then stop making stuff up. One man saying "it's widely reported" does not make it so.

https://www.google.com/search?q=leb...0j69i61j0l2.3711j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[Whyjerry]

Is your goal to prove you are the one with the 76 IQ? If so, you are well on your way.

Personally, I'm not a big LeBron fan. I thought his TV special to announce his move to Miami was egotistical, and I don't think he always uses his talent, though immense, in a way that best helps his team.

But your comment is the fall back we see with many posters who struggle to make a point - if the point you try to make fails just throw mindless accusations at the other person.

How am I struggling to make a point? Most of what is on this board is opinion. That's the idea. You can agree or disagree. By your tone I would think that you believe you are above it all. Some enlightened category of poster. You never struggle to make a point because you are always right. I could not care less about what you think.

 

[Sydla]

It is widely reported and their is plenty of evidence to suggest the man is not splitting atoms. You can spin it all you want. Don't trip when you hop off the PC soapbox.

You literally just made this up. In fact, there is wide evidence that he's the exact opposite of what you claim.

I suspect you have an issue with him because of some things he's said with regards to the political landscape.

 

[OmerV]

How am I struggling to make a point? Most of what is on this board is opinion. That's the idea. You can agree or disagree. By your tone I would think that you believe you are above it all. Some enlightened category of poster. You never struggle to make a point because you are always right. I could not care less about what you think.

If he had a 76 IQ that would be a fact, not an opinion, but you threw it out there without a shred of evidence to support it. It would also a fact that if he had a 76 IQ it would be evident in the way he talks and carries himself because that would put him only slightly into a range where he is able to function without assistance. But rather than discuss and understand that, your fall back is to just call people "LeBron lovers", which also is a comment without a shred of evidence. It has nothing to do with loving the guy, it's just common sense based on simple observation. He isn't a brilliant man, but neither is he a barely literate or barely functional man. It's nonsensical to suggest he is.

 

[Whyjerry]

Where is it "widely" reported? Google is your friend. Find me these wide reports... Here is a link to help, please use all and any tabs there... find me all these reports. That is unless internet search engines are part of a big conspiracy.

If you can't find something to actually back it up, then stop making stuff up. One man saying "it's widely reported" does not make it so.

https://www.google.com/search?q=leb...0j69i61j0l2.3711j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Where is it "widely" reported? Google is your friend. Find me these wide reports... Here is a link to help, please use all and any tabs there... find me all these reports. That is unless internet search engines are part of a big conspiracy.

If you can't find something to actually back it up, then stop making stuff up. One man saying "it's widely reported" does not make it so.

https://www.google.com/search?q=leb...0j69i61j0l2.3711j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If he had a 76 IQ that would be a fact, not an opinion, but you threw it out there without a shred of evidence to support it. It would also a fact that if he had a 76 IQ it would be evident in the way he talks and carries himself because that would put him at a level where he is barely able to function without assistance. But rather than discuss and understand that, your fall back is to just call people "LeBron lovers", which also is a comment without a shred of evidence. It has nothing to do with loving the guy, it's just common sense based on the simple observation. He isn't a brilliant man, but neither is he a barely literate or barely functional man. It's nonsensical to suggest he is.

Going to block you after this because you annoy me. Go back to my original post. I mentioned it but I said I don't know it to be true. Idiots like you will spin that into a narrative that fits you best.

 

[blueblood70]

I know this sounds crazy but this offense was built for Romo or guy like Romo ie Kitna /Orton type..yet they have tweaked it for Dak but not quite enough..something has to give we need to get rid of SL/JG offense and bring in someone to use Dak the way he can play OR if the record starts to go south like 3-5or something, I want to see Mike White and or rush given chance to see how they do with a starting offense around them.. they are more traditional QBs and we need to know what we have or dont have and have to make decision in the draft on drafting a QB higher for 2019/..Dak maybe our Backup or cut if he stays on this path..Does SJ have the Cohones to once again go over JJ head and say look this is what needs to happen, we need a change at QB, daks not our future..Can SJ once again turn JJ against one of his faves? he has of late but this is huge decision.. watching these young Rookies come in and play makes me want to at least consider it..sure a lot of growing pains but what can be worse then struggling to score 13 points game , the offense going stagnant, that Browns game made me wonder a lot..look what atraditonal type QB can bring to moving the ball especially in an offense that was really built for a pocket passer..