Jerry and Stephen disagree on Dak running? **merged**

[lukin2006]

Has Jerry ever called a HOF QB an armchair QB? After that comment from Stephen, at this point, all SJ is a trust fund baby living off his Dad's money. When Jerry is no longer involved, this team will sink to likes of the Browns and Jets...

 

[OmerV]

Going to block you after this because you annoy me. Go back to my original post. I mentioned it but I said I don't know it to be true. Idiots like you will spin that into a narrative that fits you best.

So, you posted something that was blatantly not true as if it was appropriate and made a point. Kudos - that's so much better.

But the thing is, you kept defending it and talking about how stupid the man is. In short, you kept trying to justify using blatantly false information.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think right now I let Dak use both arm and legs to do the job, to me he seems to get into a comfort zone when you allow him to do things he does well. I still want to see him grow and develop along the way and improve as a pocket passer. I watched another Cowboys QB who ran quite a bit early in his career because it came natural to him but also developed into a great passer.

 

[Sydla]

Going to block you after this because you annoy me. Go back to my original post. I mentioned it but I said I don't know it to be true. Idiots like you will spin that into a narrative that fits you best.

But then you went on to say that you basically think Lebron is an idiot based on how he talks.

You are looking pretty poor in this debate.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...s-disagree-on-Dak-Prescott-running-122181128/
interesting quote

"...Now here is where things get interesting. Cowboys VP and Jones' eventual successor Stephen Jones went on his radio show on 105.3 The Fan on Monday (h/t Jon Machota of The Dallas Morning News) and sang a very different tune. He said “You can’t just consistently serve your quarterback up as a runner... I can’t necessarily see our plan being to run Dak 8-10 times a game. I think you use it to set everything else up.” Essentially, this suggests a philosophical schism between the two leaders of the Jones family. The patriarch wants Prescott to run so that the Cowboys can win now. The successor wants Prescott to stay in the pocket to preserve his health. ..."


the more Dak runs, the more you put him in line of getting hit and injured. win now? maybe 5 or 6 games...and get Dak hurt.... I don't advocate running the QB....except very selectively and not every week.

I would have to agree on the general comment I put in bold above. But Brady, while he doesn't run much at all game to game, due to his longevity he has run 561 times in his career. Only got hurt once, and he's not a sturdily built as Dak. Just running isn't bad, it's taking hits or making sharp, quick cuts in your running or taking on tacklers, or trying to gut out a few more yards. Romo got hurt most of the time in the pocket, the last back injury was a run but it was sort of an awkward tackle, and he was way older than Dak, with a history of broken bones.

Teddy Bridgewater tore up a knee setting up from center in a practice, without even being touched. Same thing has happened to other players. Can happen anytime.

I'd have to take it on a game by game, situation by situation view - if he can get yards and slide, or run out of bounds or just fall down, that will reduce his chances of injuries. Of course if he's having to run because of pass protection breakdowns, no receivers being open or the running game stalling, then you've got bigger problems than Dak running too much, running Dak isn't likely to win games.

Dak needs to protect himself more, when mentioning Brady, if you watch any of his games, he is the biggest "flooper" in the league, a defensive player gets even close to sacking him, he falls down before the player even touches him. That's one way he's played 19 seasons. Just don't be a hero Dak, discretion is the better part of valor, as the old saying goes. Pick your battles, live to play another day...

 

[TheCoolFan]

There's nothing wrong with having a QB run as long as he knows how to protect himself. Slide and go out of bounds when necessary. A few QB sneaks and goal line runs won't hurt either - at least he can brace himself for impact on those runs. Better than him getting blindsided in the pocket.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I want my qb to win with his arm and head. A deadly decision passer with good arm strength and a field general and tactician on the field.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think right now I let Dak use both arm and legs to do the job, to me he seems to get into a comfort zone when you allow him to do things he does well. I still want to see him grow and develop along the way and improve as a pocket passer. I watched another Cowboys QB who ran quite a bit early in his career because it came natural to him but also developed into a great passer.

I agree. I use everything Dak has to win. If it uses him up then it is what it is. Our chances of winning without it lessen dramatically.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Too many cooks in the kitchen pulling in different directions. Its a Parcelian nightmare.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Here's the problem.

This offense likely will stall if you just make Prescott a pure pocket passer. Teams simply don't respect his ability to throw the ball. Further, teams simply crash Elliott. Essentially the belief is Prescott can't beat you with the pass so crash Elliott and really stall the offense.

Prescott running helps loosen things up for Elliott. And if Elliott can get going that helps the passing game.

I don't know about running 10 times a game with Prescott but Stephen seems to want to go in the opposite direction. 5-6 runs a game seems fair to me and likely will have it's desired effect.

Agreed. Teams do watch their opponents game films, if a team sees Dak take off a lot in one game, likely it will impact their game planning. If they keep a spy on Dak because they think he'll run a lot, should open up the passing game. And if a team screws up their defense and leaves Dak a wide open lane to run for 10-15 yards, even if it is 10 times a game, and there's no receiver who can get similar or more yards, then by all means take off Dak.

Just avoid taking a big hit, get what you can and get down...

 

[Diehardblues]

Stephens additional involvement is going to bring us down worse than Jerry.

He’s proven thus far he’s nothing more than a cheapskate.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I agree. I use everything Dak has to win. If it uses him up then it is what it is. Our chances of winning without it lessen dramatically.

Though Dak needs to improve his field awareness, in the long run Dak passing well is better than Dak running well. Better for Dak's health and would win more games...

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. I use everything Dak has to win. If it uses him up then it is what it is. Our chances of winning without it lessen dramatically.

I hope it does not "use him up" what I hope to see is Dak continuing to learn but right now I need his confidence level to be high, so yes I would let him play the game that comes more natural to him and continue to work on things he needs to improve on.

 

[OmerV]

I think right now I let Dak use both arm and legs to do the job, to me he seems to get into a comfort zone when you allow him to do things he does well. I still want to see him grow and develop along the way and improve as a pocket passer. I watched another Cowboys QB who ran quite a bit early in his career because it came natural to him but also developed into a great passer.

And that QB would be ... Clint Longley!

No, wait, he's the guy that ran out the door after cheap shotting the QB you are talking about.

 

[LocimusPrime]

look without his running ability hes a below average passer, hes not starter without his legs..Im sorry its the truth, he is what he is and his legs make him better..you want proof Tyrod Taylor looked horrible throwing but they kept him in, a Rookie Baker Mayfield comes off the bench cold to play his first snap in the NFL, and takes them down and gets 3 in two minute period..comes out and basically in 31 mins of play has the production of an entire Dak Game..BM is a NFL QB with Arm Talent , he can make living in the pocket, even though he can move hes more like a Romo where he uses his legs to buy time to hit guys downfield.. Dak needs his legs to be a viable starter at best..its pretty obvious to most by now that Dak has to use his legs to keep drives going because he hasn't got much better from the standing pocket presence..I wish Dak all the luck in the world as hes our Qb but its become apparent watching natural passers like Baker Mayfield be able to things dak can not..Cam, TT, is the same way there are others, take the run out of their game well they are backups at best..go back always like Griffin and a bigger name like Mike Vick..some guys need that its part of their game..

Baker was awesome last night. Those passes bro. Wooooooh. Wish Dak had that aspect

 

[LocimusPrime]

Im not either but he made Tyrod Talyor look REAL BAD.. the difference is Pure passer VS athlete.. BM came of the bench cold and his number could have been ridiculous had he not had what 3 dropped passes for big yards dropped.. Hey Im a longhorn fan and hated BM in college but you'd have to be blind to not see he has real talent that doesnt need a lot of tweaking..its a natural thing vs a forced thing, him seeing the field, feeling the pocket, and knowing where to put the ball to make it more catchable .

Tyrod Taylor is garbage

 

[LocimusPrime]

I think right now I let Dak use both arm and legs to do the job, to me he seems to get into a comfort zone when you allow him to do things he does well. I still want to see him grow and develop along the way and improve as a pocket passer. I watched another Cowboys QB who ran quite a bit early in his career because it came natural to him but also developed into a great passer.

Who was that? Just curious

 

[Doomsday101]

And that QB would be ... Clint Longley!

No, wait, he's the guy that ran out the door after cheap shotting the QB you are talking about.

I did not want to use his name because people will say I am comparing Dak to him and I'm not what I am comparing is 2 QB that the run came natural to them and used the run quite a bit. Yes the QB was Staubach. It drive Landry crazy early on which is why Morton stayed around. Landry was a system coach and a running QB at times prevented that system from executing what Landry wanted, Morton on the other hand was a pocket QB which allowed Landry to use his system. However Roger became a great passer and would hang in the pocket more as his career went on and did not take off as quickly as he did as a younger QB. I'm not saying Dak will ever be what Roger became what I am saying is for now I would let Dak be Dak and continue to work with him in areas he needs to improve on as opposed to forcing him to play the game that does not come natural to him

 

[atlantacowboy]

Stephens additional involvement is going to bring us down worse than Jerry.

He’s proven thus far he’s nothing more than a cheapskate.

It Stephen's turn to do the fun stuff. He's waited 20 years to make his mark. Its like a phoenix rising.

 

[OmerV]

I did not want to use his name because people will say I am comparing Dak to him and I'm not what I am comparing is 2 QB that the run came natural to them and used the run quite a bit. Yes the QB was Staubach. It drive Landry crazy early on which is why Morton stayed around. Landry was a system coach and a running QB at times prevented that system from executing what Landry wanted, Morton on the other hand was a pocket QB which allowed Landry to use his system. However Roger became a great passer and would hang in the pocket more as his career went on and did not take off as quickly as he did as a younger QB

I understand, and you are right that there would have been posters responding as if you had put Dak in the same category as Roger. And yes, Roger did frustrate Landry early on - "Roger the Dodger" didn't come out of Staubach staying in the pocket and sticking to the script.