Jerry and Stephen disagree on Dak running? **merged**

[Diehardblues]

It Stephen's turn to do the fun stuff. He's waited 20 years to make his mark. Its like a phoenix rising.

Sorry but from what I’ve seen this far he’s going to be worse that Daddy and not as glamorous. At least with Jerry he was fun to target.

My greatest hope is Jone$ selling out after Jerry’s gone.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Sorry but from what I’ve seen this far he’s going to be worse that Daddy and not as glamorous. At least with Jerry he was fun to target.

My greatest hope is Jone$ selling out after Jerry’s gone.

Not gonna happen. Maybe we'll catch a break and Jerry will leave Charlotte in charge. She's the only one with any talent among Jerry's kids..

 

[OmerV]

Stephens additional involvement is going to bring us down worse than Jerry.

He’s proven thus far he’s nothing more than a cheapskate.

I'll bet Zack Martin, Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick wouldn't agree with that.

All Stephen (and Jerry - don't think Jerry is out of the picture) has done is overreact to the years of frustration when the team was so strapped by the salary cap they could barely make a move, including, at times, signing their own players. I suspect they will find the middle ground. Apparently they were willing to spend money on Sammy Watkins and Earl Thomas.

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand, and you are right that there would have been posters responding as if you had put Dak in the same category as Roger. And yes, Roger did frustrate Landry early on - "Roger the Dodger" didn't come out of Staubach staying in the pocket and sticking to the script.

True Roger was a winner and hated losing and would do anything in his power to win and if that meant tucking the ball and running he would and if it meant taking on a LB in the process to get that TD Roger would. At times it cost him health wise but Roger was not going to lose without a fight.

 

[xwalker]

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...s-disagree-on-Dak-Prescott-running-122181128/
interesting quote

"...Now here is where things get interesting. Cowboys VP and Jones' eventual successor Stephen Jones went on his radio show on 105.3 The Fan on Monday (h/t Jon Machota of The Dallas Morning News) and sang a very different tune. He said “You can’t just consistently serve your quarterback up as a runner... I can’t necessarily see our plan being to run Dak 8-10 times a game. I think you use it to set everything else up.” Essentially, this suggests a philosophical schism between the two leaders of the Jones family. The patriarch wants Prescott to run so that the Cowboys can win now. The successor wants Prescott to stay in the pocket to preserve his health. ..."


the more Dak runs, the more you put him in line of getting hit and injured. win now? maybe 5 or 6 games...and get Dak hurt.... I don't advocate running the QB....except very selectively and not every week.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...s-disagree-on-Dak-Prescott-running-122181128/
interesting quote

"...Now here is where things get interesting. Cowboys VP and Jones' eventual successor Stephen Jones went on his radio show on 105.3 The Fan on Monday (h/t Jon Machota of The Dallas Morning News) and sang a very different tune. He said “You can’t just consistently serve your quarterback up as a runner... I can’t necessarily see our plan being to run Dak 8-10 times a game. I think you use it to set everything else up.” Essentially, this suggests a philosophical schism between the two leaders of the Jones family. The patriarch wants Prescott to run so that the Cowboys can win now. The successor wants Prescott to stay in the pocket to preserve his health. ..."
the more Dak runs, the more you put him in line of getting hit and injurwin now? maybe 5 or 6 games...and get Dak hurt.... I don't advocate running the QB....except very selectively and not every week.

Articles referencing something Jerry/Stephen said are usually misleading.

Stephen is likely referring to long term.

 

[OmerV]

True Roger was a winner and hated losing and would do anything in his power to win and if that meant tucking the ball and running he would and if it meant taking on a LB in the process to get that TD Roger would. At times it cost him health wise but Roger was not going to lose without a fight.

Yep. Ultimately it was the concussions that cut his career shorter than it could have been.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'll bet Zack Martin, Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick wouldn't agree with that.

All Stephen (and Jerry - don't think Jerry is out of the picture) has done is overreact to the years of frustration when the team was so strapped by the salary cap they could barely make a move, including, at times, signing their own players. I suspect they will find the middle ground. Apparently they were willing to spend money on Sammy Watkins and Earl Thomas.

You have more faith than I do. And why results matter. We’ll see.

But I’d argue the decisions made after 2014 season with Murray set us back along with Leary which our OL hadn’t been the same since.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep. Ultimately it was the concussions that cut his career shorter than it could have been.

True, Roger could have continued to play but he had big plans after his career was over. Roger made a killing in commercial real estate business.

 

[OmerV]

You have more faith than I do. And why results matter. We’ll see.

Results do matter, but the whole story hasn't been written. If Seattle had accepted the Cowboys offer of a 2nd round pick for ET this conversation wouldn't even be taking place because the Cowboys would be working on a high dollar multi year contract with ET.

 

[Doomsday101]

I fully expect Stephen to take over when Jerry is gone. Will he do better? I don't know but I do think he will avoid big trades that sent #1's off the team for 1 player like the Galloway trade or the WR Roy Williams trade. I think the role of Stephen as director of Player Personnel along with McClay has done a very good job of getting talent in here and yes has avoided much of the overpaying we have seen in FA where so many never live up to the pay as well as the loss of picks.

 

[Diehardblues]

Results do matter, but the whole story hasn't been written. If Seattle had accepted the Cowboys offer of a 2nd round pick for ET this conversation wouldn't even be taking place because the Cowboys would be working on a high dollar multi year contract with ET.

Woulda coulda shoulda

Stephen begin pinching pennies after 2014 season with Leary and Murray. Our OL still hadn’t recovered and we had to use a 5th overall pick to shore up a running game with what was heralded best OL .

I still think cutting Bailey will cost us this year. And we should have negotiated with Dez offering him less. We didn’t even make an offer.

And if we end up coughing big money and years for Dak it could stifle this franchise for another era. Tick Tock

 

[StylisticS]

Stephen doesn't make these kinds of decisions without consulting others. most noticeably mcclay and probably sources (former gm's, etc.) outside the organization. he doesn't pretend to be a coach like daddy. I feel far better with Stephen running things than with jerry running things. there is no need to tell opposing defenses we're going to be running dak 10 times a game. let them guess. whatever the plan, it worked very well against the giants.

That's what I got out of it as well and yes, I do think Stephen consulted with others before making this comment. I see both sides though.

 

[Diehardblues]

True, Roger could have continued to play but he had big plans after his career was over. Roger made a killing in commercial real estate business.

Rogers future business had little if nothing to do with his decision which was all about the concussions and the threat to his quality of life.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not gonna happen. Maybe we'll catch a break and Jerry will leave Charlotte in charge. She's the only one with any talent among Jerry's kids..

Its rare for the siblings to get along after Daddy passes. Why would they agree to let Stephen run the team ? And if he doesn’t have success how long would they stand by his side?

 

[Diehardblues]

At least with Jerry we knew what was driving his ambitions and passions.

So, what’s driving Stephen ?
Is he determined to be a Football Guy with a less experienced front office and unqualified HC?

Does he only want to win his way or is he willing to bring in more qualified and experienced staff. Hold them accountable and stand back and take credit enjoying the success like most owners?

 

[Doomsday101]

Rogers future business had little if nothing to do with his decision which was all about the concussions and the threat to his quality of life.

Both had everything to do with it. Health and his plans which went hand in hand. Roger was great he was also smart enough to leave while he still had his health. Yes concussion lead to it but remember all the data of long term effects was not fully known at that time.

 

[Diehardblues]

Both had everything to do with it. Health and his plans which went hand in hand. Roger was great he was also smart enough to leave while he still had his health. Yes concussion lead to it but remember all the data of long term effects was not fully known at that time.

Roger never let on that his future business plans had any influence in his decision. Only that he didn’t want to threaten his health moving forward.

 

[AmishCowboy]

You have more faith than I do. And why results matter. We’ll see.

But I’d argue the decisions made after 2014 season with Murray set us back along with Leary which our OL hadn’t been the same since.

neither are the same player either, Murray retired and Leary is having injury issues

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Valid point, I would agree letting Leary walk was a calculated risk that didn’t work out. There was the constant talk about his degenerate knee or whatever which I believe was a valid reason.

I still think letting Murray walk was correct, if I remember correctly he had one good year after leaving this team. He may have been misused in philly but he did hit the brick wall and paying him when we could of might of did more harm than good.

I said before with bailey his groin injury must have been pretty severe to warrant cutting him because he was consistently good since he was brought as a udfa. I know I’ll be watching when he kicks off for the Vikings.

Woulda coulda shoulda

Stephen begin pinching pennies after 2014 season with Leary and Murray. Our OL still hadn’t recovered and we had to use a 5th overall pick to shore up a running game with what was heralded best OL .

I still think cutting Bailey will cost us this year. And we should have negotiated with Dez offering him less. We didn’t even make an offer.

And if we end up coughing big money and years for Dak it could stifle this franchise for another era. Tick Tock

 

[Doomsday101]

Roger never let on that his future business plans had any influence in his decision. Only that he didn’t want to threaten his health moving forward.

Staubach believes he could have played another couple of years at a high level, but he walked away. He worried little about his transition. The landscape was different then. The money too.

http://fortune.com/2014/10/09/roger-staubach-real-estate-nfl/

Unlike players today Roger had a job during the off season
Besides, his second career had already started. The off-season before Staubach won the MVP award, he went to work for Henry Miller Jr., a titan in Dallas real estate. That was 1971. Staubach and his wife, Marianne, had three young children. (They would eventually have five.) He needed the extra cash.

Miller hired Staubach for his insurance division. Staubach sold life insurance to companies. Imagine that—America’s Quarterback and his sales pitch. He worked on commission at first so he could practice with teammates in the afternoons.

That season, the Cowboys won the Super Bowl. He collected that station wagon for being game MVP and a $15,000 bonus. As he and Marianne left New Orleans, she asked her husband what he planned to do next. Work, he said. By the time they arrived back in Dallas, Miller had sent over a telegram. “Congratulations on winning the Super Bowl,” it read. “And by the way, you’re promoted to vice president.”


Miller reminded Staubach of Landry, his ornery head coach. Both men were methodical in business, maniacal in preparation. Their drive prompted memories of his parents. His mother worked as a secretary at GM in the Chevrolet division. His father sold shoes and other leather goods door-to-door.

After six years under Miller, Staubach opened his own shop. He didn’t want to name the company after himself, says Ka Cotter, a longtime business associate there in the beginning. He wanted to obtain business for the right reasons. Eventually he relented. Thus the Staubach Co. was born.

The name helped, anyway, early on. Particularly in Dallas. “I saw a lot of grown men look real foolish,” Cotter says. “Just fawning over him.” But the name alone did not close deals. In fact, it shut down a few of them. “Whenever someone hung up on me in Washington, D.C., I’d blame it on the fact they’re a Commanders fan,” Staubach says. After the company opened an office in Washington, a “Staubach sucks” echoed one day down the elevator shaft.