Jerry Jones and NFLPA working to change NFL Marijuana policy

[nathanlt]

That is not what he said and they have done testing and pot does make people overcautious. It is what it is.

And ....

It ISN'T what it ISN'T

Since we're using meaningless phrases.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And ....

It ISN'T what it ISN'T

Since we're using meaningless phrases.

A study concluded that drivers under the influence of pot were likely to be overcautious and overcompensate and compared it to alcohol where the opposite happened.

That was the it I was describing and what you are desperately trying to deflect from.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Alcohol is much worse IMO yet it is not only tolerated by the NFL, it's one of their top endorsers.

It also happens to have the benefit of currently being legal.

 

[waldoputty]

They still have not. It's really easy to pass for most everything but pot because most drugs are not fat soluble and leave the system after a week.

Pot is fat soluble so it stays in your system for a month or more as it leaches out of body fat over time. If he has a debilitating anxiety disorder, severe mania, depression or whatever it is then going a month without your meds is a tall order.

is it delta 9 thc or what chemical do they test for?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

is it delta 9 thc or what chemical do they test for?

I am not sure whether or not the isolated form that they extract shows up or not. I have no experience with that. I would suspect it does but it could be chemically different enough that it does not.

 

[gimmesix]

This is dumb. Employers have the right to test for and punish as they see fit. They do not have a responsibility to test for and enforce punishment "because it's illegal ".

Should you get fired for receiving a speeding ticket? Downloading a movie? Bringing back a box of Cohibas on vacation? Also police aren't running around piss testing citizens. If you get caught with weed in your possession by police and arrested, the league should probably punish you as well. Beyond that it's ridiculous.

Do you think they would test for drugs if they were not illegal? Although I do agree that employers have the right to set their own policies and illegal doesn't have to be the standard, such as the league does with some performance-enhancing drugs that might be legally acquired.

However, if marijuana was not illegal on the federal level, I have no doubt that the NFL would not test for it or punish players for using it.

 

[nathanlt]

A study concluded that drivers under the influence of pot were likely to be overcautious and overcompensate and compared it to alcohol where the opposite happened.

That was the it I was describing and what you are desperately trying to deflect from.

Driving is not the only scenario where you can make bad decisions, if that study is statistically significant, which neither of us know one way or the other. I've made three posts, what exactly is desperate about any of that?

 

[waldoputty]

I am not sure whether or not the isolated form that they extract shows up or not. I have no experience with that. I would suspect it does but it could be chemically different enough that it does not.

apparently it is THC
https://www.marijuana.com/news/2013...tests-how-long-does-weed-stay-in-your-system/

They recommend testing yourself to figure out what to do.

Only smoked pot once in your life? You may test positive for THC for the next 1-6 days.
So you’re only a moderate pot smoker? You may test positive for weed the next 7-13 days
All right… So Frequent marijuana consumption is your gig, you may test positive for the next 15 or so days
So you fire up on a regular basis? There’s a good chance you can test positive for pot for 30 days or more
Do you live in the ‘Snoop Dogg’ realm of pot consumption? You may be loaded with THC for the next 45-90 days from your last puff on a good joint

 

[Bullflop]

So, you think marijuana leads to clearer thinking... better decisions, then... huh?

Let's not attribute a silly misconception to me when I clearly said something different. What you said is actually unrealistic.

For example, rather than driving recklessly after smoking weed, one tends to drive slowly. It's an extremely common tendency.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Driving is not the only scenario where you can make bad decisions, if that study is statistically significant, which neither of us know one way or the other. I've made three posts, what exactly is desperate about any of that?

It was a rhetorical effort to get you to address it directly which worked.

Do you think alcohol should be banned? I'm not going to argue that pot does not cause impairment. It clearly does. OTOH, I will argue that alcohol is much worse particularly when considering the decision making process.

Pot makes you paranoid. Alcohol makes you fearless. Motor impairment and it's not even close.

 

[Proof]

Do you think they would test for drugs if they were not illegal? Although I do agree that employers have the right to set their own policies and illegal doesn't have to be the standard, such as the league does with some performance-enhancing drugs that might be legally acquired.

However, if marijuana was not illegal on the federal level, I have no doubt that the NFL would not test for it or punish players for using it.

No. I'm not saying the reason they test for and punish isn't because it's illegal. Clearly that's the reason they point to while using it as leverage. I'm just saying because it's illegal doesn't mean they have to also crack down. I'd imagine they probably wouldn't suspend a 20 year old who they discovered drank some alcohol a party

 

[waldoputty]

apparently it is THC
https://www.marijuana.com/news/2013...tests-how-long-does-weed-stay-in-your-system/

They recommend testing yourself to figure out what to do.

Only smoked pot once in your life? You may test positive for THC for the next 1-6 days.
So you’re only a moderate pot smoker? You may test positive for weed the next 7-13 days
All right… So Frequent marijuana consumption is your gig, you may test positive for the next 15 or so days
So you fire up on a regular basis? There’s a good chance you can test positive for pot for 30 days or more
Do you live in the ‘Snoop Dogg’ realm of pot consumption? You may be loaded with THC for the next 45-90 days from your last puff on a good joint

Actually it is detection of 11-nor-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-9-carboxylic acid (9-carboxy-THC), a metabolite of delta-9-THC, which is the primary pharmacologically active component of marijuana. Studies involving humans indicate that 80%-90% of the total dose of delta-9-THC is excreted within 5 days--approximately 20% in urine and 65% in feces (1). Plasma concentrations of delta-9-THC peak by the time a smoked dose is completed and usually fall to approximately 2 ng/ml within 4-6 hours. 9-carboxy-THC is detectable in plasma within minutes after a dose is smoked and remains in plasma considerably longer than THC itself. Urine from marijuana users contains quantities of 9-carboxy-THC in both free and conjugated form, as well as other cannabinoids (THC and its metabolites) detectable by the test.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000138.htm

 

[CowboyStar88]

Last time I checked the owners voted. If it is polarizing is besides the point when it only takes 17 to pass it.

And they can amend the CBA at anytime. It remains negotiable between now and 2020.

Yea I got called in when I said that it won't be an issue next year. People just fail to listen. Jerry alluded to something about it at his presser from the draft. But what do I know.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually it is detection of 11-nor-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-9-carboxylic acid (9-carboxy-THC), a metabolite of delta-9-THC, which is the primary pharmacologically active component of marijuana. Studies involving humans indicate that 80%-90% of the total dose of delta-9-THC is excreted within 5 days--approximately 20% in urine and 65% in feces (1). Plasma concentrations of delta-9-THC peak by the time a smoked dose is completed and usually fall to approximately 2 ng/ml within 4-6 hours. 9-carboxy-THC is detectable in plasma within minutes after a dose is smoked and remains in plasma considerably longer than THC itself. Urine from marijuana users contains quantities of 9-carboxy-THC in both free and conjugated form, as well as other cannabinoids (THC and its metabolites) detectable by the test.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000138.htm

Yeah it makes sense that they would isolate a soluble base to test for. They tend to be more reactive. At the same time, I find biochemistry incredibly boring.

 

[waldoputty]

Yeah it makes sense that they would isolate a soluble base to test for. They tend to be more reactive. At the same time, I find biochemistry incredibly boring.

I think Gregory could have fooled the test this way, though not totally sure if frozen urine can be detected.
http://www.ureasample.com/faq.shtml

freeze urine while he is clean. store in very good freezer.

Q- How long do your clean urine samples last and how should they be stored?

A- Samples should be stored in a refrigerator. If stored for extended periods of time then they should be frozen. The integrity of our samples is ensured by our proprietary vacuum seal. As long as the sample remains in its vacuum seal it may be kept at room temperature away from direct sunlight for days at a time. It will be good for up to six months, in the vacuum seal, if stored in the refrigerator. If frozen in the vacuum seal, it can last for about 1 year. Once the sample is removed from the vacuum seal, it should not remain at room temperature for more than 18 hours. It will keep in the refrigerator, unsealed, for 30 days. In the freezer, an unsealed bag can last up to 6 months.

Q- How should I thaw my frozen urine sample?

A- When ready for use drug free urine samples may brought up to acceptance temperature simply by running under hot water until the temperature strip displays between 90-99 degrees Fahrenheit. After thawing and achieving proper temperature make sure to shake the sample well so that any present particles dissolve completely. The samples should be thawed at a slow and constant rate so as to hinder crystals from precipitating. If crystals do form then the sample may be filtered through a clean white coffee maker filter.

Q- Does transportation affect urine and bacterial viability?

A- Customers often ask about the preferred method of transporting urine samples to the laboratory for culture, and the effect of transport time and storage temperature on the viability of organisms.

To address these questions, the following study was performed: Urine samples with pyuria (n=18) submitted to Antech's Houston laboratory were divided into several aliquots. One aliquot was inoculated immediately onto blood/MacConkey agar and cultured aerobically for 72 hours in the Houston laboratory. The urine aliquots were also placed into 3 tubes: RTT, grey top urine culture tube (Transport Kit), and Copan Swab for transport to Antech's Irvine laboratory, where they were stored at 4-8°C and at room temperature. They were next inoculated onto blood/MacConkey agar for aerobic culture and examined after 24, 48 and 72 hours.

Fourteen urine samples cultured positive for bacteria and 4 were negative. There was no observed effect of storage time, storage temperature, or type of storage tube on these culture results, or on the amount of bacterial growth (light, moderate or heavy).

Conclusion: Based on these findings, we consider that routine transport time does not influence urine culture results

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think Gregory could have fooled the test this way, though not totally sure if frozen urine can be detected.
http://www.ureasample.com/faq.shtml

freeze urine while he is clean. store in very good freezer.

Q- How long do your clean urine samples last and how should they be stored?

A- Samples should be stored in a refrigerator. If stored for extended periods of time then they should be frozen. The integrity of our samples is ensured by our proprietary vacuum seal. As long as the sample remains in its vacuum seal it may be kept at room temperature away from direct sunlight for days at a time. It will be good for up to six months, in the vacuum seal, if stored in the refrigerator. If frozen in the vacuum seal, it can last for about 1 year. Once the sample is removed from the vacuum seal, it should not remain at room temperature for more than 18 hours. It will keep in the refrigerator, unsealed, for 30 days. In the freezer, an unsealed bag can last up to 6 months.

Q- How should I thaw my frozen urine sample?

A- When ready for use drug free urine samples may brought up to acceptance temperature simply by running under hot water until the temperature strip displays between 90-99 degrees Fahrenheit. After thawing and achieving proper temperature make sure to shake the sample well so that any present particles dissolve completely. The samples should be thawed at a slow and constant rate so as to hinder crystals from precipitating. If crystals do form then the sample may be filtered through a clean white coffee maker filter.

Q- Does transportation affect urine and bacterial viability?

A- Customers often ask about the preferred method of transporting urine samples to the laboratory for culture, and the effect of transport time and storage temperature on the viability of organisms.

To address these questions, the following study was performed: Urine samples with pyuria (n=18) submitted to Antech's Houston laboratory were divided into several aliquots. One aliquot was inoculated immediately onto blood/MacConkey agar and cultured aerobically for 72 hours in the Houston laboratory. The urine aliquots were also placed into 3 tubes: RTT, grey top urine culture tube (Transport Kit), and Copan Swab for transport to Antech's Irvine laboratory, where they were stored at 4-8°C and at room temperature. They were next inoculated onto blood/MacConkey agar for aerobic culture and examined after 24, 48 and 72 hours.

Fourteen urine samples cultured positive for bacteria and 4 were negative. There was no observed effect of storage time, storage temperature, or type of storage tube on these culture results, or on the amount of bacterial growth (light, moderate or heavy).

Conclusion: Based on these findings, we consider that routine transport time does not influence urine culture results

They have someone watch you pee in the cup. The whizzinator and whatnot don't work.

 

[gmoney112]

I think Gregory could have fooled the test this way, though not totally sure if frozen urine can be detected.
http://www.ureasample.com/faq.shtml

freeze urine while he is clean. store in very good freezer.

Q- How long do your clean urine samples last and how should they be stored?

A- Samples should be stored in a refrigerator. If stored for extended periods of time then they should be frozen. The integrity of our samples is ensured by our proprietary vacuum seal. As long as the sample remains in its vacuum seal it may be kept at room temperature away from direct sunlight for days at a time. It will be good for up to six months, in the vacuum seal, if stored in the refrigerator. If frozen in the vacuum seal, it can last for about 1 year. Once the sample is removed from the vacuum seal, it should not remain at room temperature for more than 18 hours. It will keep in the refrigerator, unsealed, for 30 days. In the freezer, an unsealed bag can last up to 6 months.

Q- How should I thaw my frozen urine sample?

A- When ready for use drug free urine samples may brought up to acceptance temperature simply by running under hot water until the temperature strip displays between 90-99 degrees Fahrenheit. After thawing and achieving proper temperature make sure to shake the sample well so that any present particles dissolve completely. The samples should be thawed at a slow and constant rate so as to hinder crystals from precipitating. If crystals do form then the sample may be filtered through a clean white coffee maker filter.

Q- Does transportation affect urine and bacterial viability?

A- Customers often ask about the preferred method of transporting urine samples to the laboratory for culture, and the effect of transport time and storage temperature on the viability of organisms.

To address these questions, the following study was performed: Urine samples with pyuria (n=18) submitted to Antech's Houston laboratory were divided into several aliquots. One aliquot was inoculated immediately onto blood/MacConkey agar and cultured aerobically for 72 hours in the Houston laboratory. The urine aliquots were also placed into 3 tubes: RTT, grey top urine culture tube (Transport Kit), and Copan Swab for transport to Antech's Irvine laboratory, where they were stored at 4-8°C and at room temperature. They were next inoculated onto blood/MacConkey agar for aerobic culture and examined after 24, 48 and 72 hours.

Fourteen urine samples cultured positive for bacteria and 4 were negative. There was no observed effect of storage time, storage temperature, or type of storage tube on these culture results, or on the amount of bacterial growth (light, moderate or heavy).

Conclusion: Based on these findings, we consider that routine transport time does not influence urine culture results

All you really need to do is start taking creatine a week before your test, day of start dilution with gatorade.

Something to do with creatinine, specific gravity or something.

Not like i'd know or anything.

 

[waldoputty]

They have someone watch you pee in the cup. The whizzinator and whatnot don't work.

they do???
no privacy!
so he needs to do it in a country with corrupt labs...

 

[CowboyStar88]

Is the role of my employer law enforcement? Is the role of most of them? Yet they have drug policies in place. We can be tested and if we test positive, we can be fired. I don't see anything different here.

If you take part in a legal activity, then your employer has the right to take action on that activity. Right now, smoking marijuana is an illegal activity on the federal level. The NFL is not law enforcement because it cannot put you in jail for that activity, but it can punish you as your boss, and I agree that it should as long as it is illegal.

It's legal in CA and it was legal for medical
Purposes. You're arguing a stance where not all employers have caught up yet. I was in a major accident in Nov and did not want the pills I elected for the pot Period and I shouldn't be fired because I said no to a drug that could kill me.

Some people need to watch the HBO documentary called "This drug can kill you". Let me know you're opinion after you watch it. The theme? They all had surgery and started on opiates. Not to mention the fact that big Pharmaceutical put out ads stating they weren't addictive only to be sued. I'd also recommend people see the timeline of when it was banned vs prohibition. There are very interesting things about it.

This isn't a black and white issue.

 

[waldoputty]

All you really need to do is start taking creatine a week before your test, day of start dilution with gatorade.

Something to do with creatinine, specific gravity or something.

Not like i'd know or anything.

interesting, you would suspect he would have been told that...

is the reason for the creatine to get certain amount of nitrogen containing compounds in the system so a dilution cannot be detected?