Jerry Jones decides to keep TO

[dcfanatic]

Is it really anymore silly than people who are grasping for these straws that they're getting rid of him? You haven't seen a single shred of evidence that it was actually even discussed that they were going to cut or trade him yet people have been on here speculating to high heaven about it.

I saw someone say earlier in the thread that it was funny that a report that Jerry said this made people act like Jerry himself had called them and told them he was staying.

Well for those chomping at the bit, digging their toes in, and getting their blood pressures up about how they know that Stephen Jones wants him out of Dallas and is trying to talk his dad into getting him out how do you guys know that? A report? That's it? You mean Stephen didn't personally call the anti-TO brigade members and say "Hey guys I'm doing what I can to get him out of here. Stay tuned."

Shocking.

Dan Reeves.

And the fact that Jerry was asked and didn't give a straight forward answer tells you there is a discussion going on.

The silly part is that the TFC is in acting as if there was any new news with this blurb from rotoworld. It's not.

It's not even about him staying anymore.

Now it's about them all trying to be the one who says 'told you there was no way he was getting cut!'.

And the other side, me and others who want him gone, are still saying it's up in the air. We aren't saying it's one way or the other.

That's why the TFC is silly.
sung

 

[dcfanatic]

Now... your "zero doubt" is that absolute or is there this 50-50 nonsense that I keep reading about.


:laugh2:

I once claimed to get "smarter" reading this board thanks to all the knowledgeable people on here. This thread is reversing that.

If you are 100% sure then put it on the line big guy.

You can't lose right?

Me, I am 50/50 so I will not put anything on the line.

I don't like gambling, lol.

 

[dcfanatic]

One thing for sure no one has ever been wrong when they are 50/50. His bases are covered no matter what happens. :laugh2:

Word.

It's called being smart, lol.

 

[Doomsday101]

Word.

It's called being smart, lol.

You never will be wrong that is for sure. :laugh2: Myself I do expect TO back what precentage who knows but I think he is still a highly productive player and given the cost of releasing him and getting nothing in return makes no sense to me. Yes he can be a pain and if this team is winning games no one will care. I do think Owens and RW with a full training camp will make for a very good tandum along with Austin and Witten.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh you mean the ones like you who don't actually take an actual stance on it you stick to the 50/50 so you don't risk being wrong?

That's not an opinion or a stance or an up in the air statement. That's a "I'm not confident enough in my opinion, or stance, to actually take one side or the other so I'll stay right here in the middle of the completely safe zone."

Like I said someone laughed that people using what Jerry said as possible evidence that it was never discussed without him actually calling them up and saying it to them personally is only as silly as those people who claim Stephen doesn't want him here cause some reporter speculated it's what they've heard or been told. Well did Stephen call those people up and tell them that?

I don't recall Dan Reeves making any such claim that Stephen wants to get rid of him.

I don't find it so much funny that it's being speculated as to whether there was discussions or not, I don't know if there were any or not. I wasn't there. Reeves could say there was but what he's saying was a discussion could have just as easily been someone saying, "Hey are we thinking of cutting TO" and Jerry saying no, or yes, or whatever and that being the extent of the conversation. It could have also been a serious discussion. I don't know if it ever really was cause I wasn't there.

But people who read news reports that someone told their source that someone said that they heard in the mens bathroom that it's possible that Stephen doesn't want TO here and are running around here saying "Well Stephen doesn't want him here" makes me laugh a lot when those same people then turn around and try to say, "Well Jerry didn't personally call you up and say he wasn't cutting TO did he?"

It's all the exact same kind of speculation. It's all opinion.

Except the middle of the road, 50/50, junk which is a safeguard for people not wanting to actually say they think he'll either stay or he'll go.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Word.

It's called being smart, lol.

LOL. Yeah I suppose smart is one way you could refer to it. It's not one of the words I'd use to describe it.

 

[dcfanatic]

Oh you mean the ones like you who don't actually take an actual stance on it you stick to the 50/50 so you don't risk being wrong?

That's not an opinion or a stance or an up in the air statement. That's a "I'm not confident enough in my opinion, or stance, to actually take one side or the other so I'll stay right here in the middle of the completely safe zone."

Like I said someone laughed that people using what Jerry said as possible evidence that it was never discussed without him actually calling them up and saying it to them personally is only as silly as those people who claim Stephen doesn't want him here cause some reporter speculated it's what they've heard or been told. Well did Stephen call those people up and tell them that?

I don't recall Dan Reeves making any such claim that Stephen wants to get rid of him.

I don't find it so much funny that it's being speculated as to whether there was discussions or not, I don't know if there were any or not. I wasn't there. Reeves could say there was but what he's saying was a discussion could have just as easily been someone saying, "Hey are we thinking of cutting TO" and Jerry saying no, or yes, or whatever and that being the extent of the conversation. It could have also been a serious discussion. I don't know if it ever really was cause I wasn't there.

But people who read news reports that someone told their source that someone said that they heard in the mens bathroom that it's possible that Stephen doesn't want TO here and are running around here saying "Well Stephen doesn't want him here" makes me laugh a lot when those same people then turn around and try to say, "Well Jerry didn't personally call you up and say he wasn't cutting TO did he?"

It's all the exact same kind of speculation. It's all opinion.

Except the middle of the road, 50/50, junk which is a safeguard for people not wanting to actually say they think he'll either stay or he'll go.

Have you been listening to Jerry lately? lol.

The man's brain is frizazzled.

Thinking anything but 50/50 about anything that may or may not happen would be dumb with him in charge.

The man just gave Corey Procter a restricted offer!!!

Me saying I don't know one way or the other is me being honest.

Sorry my honesty isn't good enough for you, lol.

 

[TheDude]

So you are 100% sure that he's here in 2009?

I am not. I still think it's 50/50.

Why?

Because if it was 100% Jerry would be letting you know that it was 100% because he would love nothing more than to prove all the speculation going on in the media over the past month wrong.

So again, you are 100% sure he's coming back?

Like I said. 99.9%. He would have been released before FA started like all other big names. It is pretty standard procedure. The only reason people got released later was the June 1 rule that doesn't exist this year. So out of pure professional courtesy, he would have been gone today. The fact any one said, didn't say, quted, cited, speculated becomes a moot point as soon as FA begins

The only way I see him going now is

1. Via Trade - not happening]
2. Getting Crabtree or Mackiln in the draft - Not gonna happen w/ no 1st rd pick and no high 2nd round pick

I think 50/50 is a pipe dream. One thing is for sure is that each passing day makes it edge closure to being 100% he stays not 100% he is going

 

[TheDude]

The man just gave Corey Procter a restricted offer!!!

Really very few things Jerry has done has bothered me much, but this one thing gives some creedence to the fact he is losing it.

I mean I could sit in my stance after the snap, get carried into the QB/RB by a DT and be embarrased only a little worse than Proctor and I would come in at the League Minimum. I'm 6'3" and 200lbs and would get killed, but the performance bar is not a very high hurdle

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Have you been listening to Jerry lately? lol.

The man's brain is frizazzled.

Thinking anything but 50/50 about anything that may or may not happen would be dumb with him in charge.

The man just gave Corey Procter a restricted offer!!!

Me saying I don't know one way or the other is me being honest.

Sorry my honesty isn't good enough for you, lol.

*nods* I'm sure you're being honest it's just the extreme safe way in order to keep from having to say you were wrong. Some people have to play it that way I suppose.

Jerry is Jerry and you can never tell what he's going to do but even with that in mind I'll stick with 100% that TO will be here this year. Proctor being here for at least another year pretty much tells me that TO never had anything to worry about.

If I wind up wrong, oh well, I was wrong. I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again, and that will be that.

 

[5Countem5]

The only doubt about TO was staying was just rumors passed along by the media.

His release was never gonna happen and was never seriously discussed, no matter how much some hoped it would.

 

[JonJon]

Is it really anymore silly than people who are grasping for these straws that they're getting rid of him? You haven't seen a single shred of evidence that it was actually even discussed that they were going to cut or trade him yet people have been on here speculating to high heaven about it.

I saw someone say earlier in the thread that it was funny that a report that Jerry said this made people act like Jerry himself had called them and told them he was staying.

Well for those chomping at the bit, digging their toes in, and getting their blood pressures up about how they know that Stephen Jones wants him out of Dallas and is trying to talk his dad into getting him out how do you guys know that? A report? That's it? You mean Stephen didn't personally call the anti-TO brigade members and say "Hey guys I'm doing what I can to get him out of here. Stay tuned."

Shocking.

Really, all people have to do is read between the lines. Ever since the super bowl ended, we have heard reports of the Cowboys possibly releasing Owens even though there wasn't a shred of evidence to suggest it or a reasonable argument for letting Owens go. Somehow, posters on this forum ran away with that even though not one of them could give a sensible reason as to why Jones would make such a move. Just review what Jerry Jones had to say in response to questions asked:

What were your reasons for issuing a gag order for the coaches?
JONES: Just misinformation without the full knowledge coming throughout our organization, like your undisclosed comments. You just don't have all the information. We don't share with our staff personnel decisions. We don't, whether or not we're debating in many cases, the full gamut of that. We just don't share that. So you can get bits and pieces and get distorted information.

Did any report in particular cause you to make this decision?
JONES: You have things, like I understand there're discussions going on within the staff relative to a player - that's just not the case. You've got normal work staffs in evaluating players and I'm talking coaching staff. You've got the normal work that your staff pro department does, but as far as whether that guy is going to be on the roster . . . where I'm coming from here, I just want to make sure you're not getting bits and pieces of information. That's not doing anybody any good and you're not making accurate reports.

And you felt it was also necessary for Phillips not to talk?
JONES: That's part of it, so you can get the full picture. I kind of know where it all sums up there. You can't get it straight from (the team's media liaison). He doesn't get the full stuff. I'm just saying you don't get the full picture. I'm the guy that's got the full picture, so that's why I'm kind of going to go here. Again, I'm not going to get into how we're affecting our communication, but we have agreed we wouldn't meet independently with the media as we go through this off-season, as I make these decisions relative to personnel. You can't get the full picture unless you visit with me.

Why did you decide this was the correct way to handle inaccurate reports about the team?
JONES: There are many, many areas there where this is very logical to me, in a time when (reporters) are going in a lot of different directions - I've seen it a lot of times in the past, when you were a lot more involved and a lot more active than you've been in the last several months. I'm trying to help the process. I know the last thing you want to do is come out here with something that's speculative or misinformed. As I said the other day, that example that I had players over to the house talking about personnel, that just is misinformation. That Stephen (Jones) and I were debating about Terrell, that's just misinformation. That's just not accurate. I don't know where that comes from. That's just total misinformation. And the thing is that nobody would know that except for me or Stephen, and I know Stephen didn't tell you. So whoever else said that happened is just wrong. It's just speculation, as far as us debating.

It came from players at the Pro Bowl saying you had players over to your house to talk about Terrell Owens. JONES: That is just not accurate. It's just not accurate, period. Totally, just not accurate. That's not something I would do, discuss the status of another player with another player. It's wrong, it's ridiculous for me to consider. I've never been that way in 20 years. Now, if I'm sitting with a player, seeing what he can do to make it work, that's different. First of all, there was no meeting at my home with players talking about personnel. That just didn't happen. And the way to clear that up, because I'm the one who knows, is we get together, and we all say it, so everybody hears it at the same time, so we can find a way to cut back on some of this.

Why don't you think the locker room issues are an issue?
I just don't. It's principally because I've experienced locker rooms that look dysfunctional on the face of it and won championships. In a pecking order of important things about your team, that is very low on the list. But our locker room issues did not impact in any way our 9-7 record and what we're doing. In any way. That's why I don't get uptight about it.


You hinted last week that you plan to keep Terrell Owens. Do you?
You got my drift. And that's all I want to say about that.


sources:
http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/1220384.html
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=9BBC4AFF-FB77-4017-4C7810833D0A1F51

Folks, is it really that hard to understand and comprehend what Jerry is saying here? He was tired of all the bogus stories that had no foundational grounds, that were being reported as fact. So Jones put a gag on the staff so that no more misinformation could be reported.

 

[dcfanatic]

The only doubt about TO was staying was just rumors passed along by the media.

His release was never gonna happen and was never seriously discussed, no matter how much some hoped it would.

Thanks Jerry.

 

[5Countem5]

Thanks Jerry.

No problem, Ed.

 

[Bleu Star]

My attempt at sarcasim failed.

I saw what you did there originally and was LMAO.

 

[Bleu Star]

Wow. I am blushing. So many people in this thread mentioning my name when I am not even around, lol.

I love this report too.

It's from Rotoworld who got it from John Clayton and yet I see nothing on ESPN's homepage or the Dallas Morning News or CNNSI or FoxSports or PFT or DallasCowboys.com or NFL.com or CBSSportsline.com...

But the TFC is in here like Jerry Jones came out in a press conference today and announced this to the world.


As if this would not be the #1 sports story running all over right now.

And I think Clayton has a blog over at ESPN. Here's today's entry...

Rogers presents problem for Browns

Wednesday, February 25, 2009 | Print Entry
The Browns definitely have a problem with defensive tackle Shaun Rogers. Through his agent, he informed the Browns he doesn't want the $5 million in roster and option bonuses to stay in Cleveland. He wants out. According to a source, Rogers wanted to have a sit-down with head coach Eric Mangini but was told Mangini would meet with the team as a whole March 16 when the offseason program begins. There would be no individual meetings. The team controls the option, so if it pays the money, he will remain a Brown. Rogers signed a five-year, $37.8 million extension last season.

Coles to Miami? Laveranues Coles gave up $6 million in guaranteed money to leave the New York Jets. Coles was entering the final year of his contract but wanted out. The Jets offered to void his contract as long as he gave up the guarantee. Don't be surprised if he ends up with Chad Pennington in Miami.

Crowder's decision: Channing Crowder's willingness to take what is believed to be a three-year contract speeded up the process of getting a deal done with the Dolphins. His decision to stay in Miami will have a major impact on the inside linebacker market.

Cover 2 done in Tampa: The Bucs' release of linebackers Derrick Brooks and Cato June signifies the end of the Cover 2 defense in Tampa Bay. With Monte Kiffin gone as defensive coordinator, the Bucs are going to a different scheme. Defensive coordinator Jim Bates plans to install a bigger, more physical defense. The Cover 2 relies more on quickness than bulk. Bates likes big linebackers and big defensive linemen. Brooks was considered the best weakside linebacker to play the Cover 2.
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Hmmmm. I guess he forget to add the blurb about Jerry telling him that T.O. was definitely coming back this season, lol.

I guess he also forgot to mention this conversation he had with Jerry when he was on Football Tonight right around the time this report came out from rotoworld...

http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?context=audio&id=3935222

So he came on to talk about the Bucs, Lavernius Coles, Brandon Jacobs, Bart Scott and McNabb - But he didn't have it in his mind to metion that he has the latest and greatest update in the universe about the most talked about sports story of the last month?


Listen. I know you guys in the TFC love the guy. And I know you love CZ.

But can you at least do a little looking around before you make ***** out of yourselves by going off a Rotoworld report that drops at 6:55 eastern tonight based on something Clayton said like two weeks ago.

And can someone tell Clayton that the Cowboys aren't interested in Clancy Pendergast like he said they were on February 11th, lol...

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=clayton_john

Cowboys target Pendergast: Although no interview is scheduled yet, there remains a good chance former Cardinals defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast will end up with the Dallas Cowboys. Wade Phillips is interested in adding Pendergast to the staff. First, Phillips has to see if the money is there to add Pendergast. The plan next season is for Phillips to call Dallas' defensive plays, but the team hasn't replaced departed defensive coordinator Brian Stewart.
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:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

This place cracks me up sometimes.

Half the people on here accuse the media of making stuff up about Terrell Owens when it shows him in a negative light.

But then when rotoworld comes up with a headline that makes those same people happy they run with it like Jerry called them at home to give them the info.

It's just silly.

If it's speculative reporting then it's speculative reporting!

It's not the fault of the media that people don't have reading comprehension skills.

Even in Clayton's piece about Pendergast he says 'it's a good chance'. He never says definite. He's never says that it's 100% going to happen.

Yet people read that and say Clayton says we hired Pendergast, lol.

When did Jerry Jones utter the words 'We are definitely 100% for sure keeping Terrell Owens'?

Just asking.

So you are 100% sure that he's here in 2009?

I am not. I still think it's 50/50.

Why?

Because if it was 100% Jerry would be letting you know that it was 100% because he would love nothing more than to prove all the speculation going on in the media over the past month wrong.

So again, you are 100% sure he's coming back?

The sad thing about them CL is that they aren't even clever.

They are all so transparent. I just laid out where the Rotoworld story came from, a report from Clayton that is over a week old, and some will still act like this is new info and now the speculation can be put to rest, lol.

Silly. Just pure silliness, lol.

Dan Reeves.

And the fact that Jerry was asked and didn't give a straight forward answer tells you there is a discussion going on.

The silly part is that the TFC is in acting as if there was any new news with this blurb from rotoworld. It's not.

It's not even about him staying anymore.

Now it's about them all trying to be the one who says 'told you there was no way he was getting cut!'.

And the other side, me and others who want him gone, are still saying it's up in the air. We aren't saying it's one way or the other.

That's why the TFC is silly.
sung

If you are 100% sure then put it on the line big guy.

You can't lose right?

Me, I am 50/50 so I will not put anything on the line.

I don't like gambling, lol.

Word.

It's called being smart, lol.

Have you been listening to Jerry lately? lol.

The man's brain is frizazzled.

Thinking anything but 50/50 about anything that may or may not happen would be dumb with him in charge.

The man just gave Corey Procter a restricted offer!!!

Me saying I don't know one way or the other is me being honest.

Sorry my honesty isn't good enough for you, lol.

Thanks Jerry.

This is good stuff.



Keep it up bro!

 

[Bleu Star]

Hey THC leader. Is it ok to change my sig now?

 

[Quarterback Coach]

I'm not buying this unless Ed Werder reports this.

I agree wholeheartedly...

 

[theebs]

well jerry just did an interview on wfaa that has made me feel even less excited about next year and in the interview with hansen I think he confirmed owens is coming back....

he dodged the question by throwing parcells under the bus.

EDIT and now cbs11 he just told steve dennis no decision has been made on owens...

Typical jerry. He speaks in forked tongue!

 

[Vintage]

Bleu, what does TFC and THC stand for?