Jerry Jones hit the nail on the head

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Naw, the ingreity of the league isn't up to a high standard. The only thing to ruin Campbell's career is losing. You're giving the league too much credit.
The league did nothing wrong. How am I giving them too much credit? They did the right thing when all year long they have been screwing Parsons.
As for just winning…..what did that do for Joe Paterno? And what has that done to dissuade anyone from calling Bellichick Bellicheat and a bonafide cheater which he most assuredly is.
 

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The league did nothing wrong. How am I giving them too much credit? They did the right thing when all year long they have been screwing Parsons.
As for just winning…..what did that do for Joe Paterno? And what has that done to dissuade anyone from calling Bellichick Bellicheat and a bonafide cheater which he most assuredly is.
Lol Paterno is an EXTREME example. You have the good sense to know that. When I say the league I mean the people who would hire/fire Campbell. They'll overlook a lot for wins. Bellicheat might be crapped on by the fans/media but he's still widely regarded as one of the best coaches ever. It never hurt his employability.
 

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Lol Paterno is an EXTREME example. You have the good sense to know that. When I say the league I mean the people who would hire/fire Campbell. They'll overlook a lot for wins. Bellicheat might be crapped on by the fans/media but he's still widely regarded as one of the best coaches ever. It never hurt his employability.
Saying that Campbells bosses are also cheats is not a particularly winsome argument. You said ”the only thing” and I am telling you that character flaws have brought down many american heroes. Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Joe Paterno, and many, many athletes and coaches. Look at Dan Snyder, Raiders Chucky, and now Panthers owner and many more I am not mentioning. Anyone that believes winning trumps all and that there are no repercussions
for cheating and evil doing you are sorely mistaken. Have you not heard what goes around comes around????
 

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Saying that Campbells bosses are also cheats is not a particularly winsome argument. You said ”the only thing” and I am telling you that character flaws have brought down many american heroes. Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Joe Paterno, and many, many athletes and coaches. Look at Dan Snyder, Raiders Chucky, and now Panthers owner and many more I am not mentioning. Anyone that believes winning trumps all and that there are no repercussions
for cheating and evil doing you are sorely mistaken. Have you not heard what goes around comes around????
Ok but you are still pointing to extreme examples and what Campbell did doesn't resemble those guys. You named Bellicheat and that was accurate, but does not support your argument. Campbell isn't going anywhere short of one of your extreme examples or losing. Guys pushing the envelope to get an edge will be around as long as the league. They don't care.
 

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The ref tells the defense directly, not just rely on an announcement over the speaker. You actually see the ref after the Lions O-Linemen talk to him run over to the Cowboys to tell them.
Very clear protocols in place. Ref did his job.
 

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The fact that Campbell tried to subvert a rule should be glaring to anyone with a brain cell. Plays like certain rub plays are also designed to subvert rules. Unfortunately there are cheats and there are honest, decent coaches. But the play that Campbell devised was specifically designed not to confuse Dallas but to rob dallas by depriving them of knowing who is eligible. If we just apply the “what if you were the coach on the opposite side that got robbed and screwed out of a 2 seed?” That is what this was about. Campbell is perfectly comfortable screwing another team out of a 2 seed by cheating and can still look in the mirror, sleep at night, play with his kids, and deal with his neighbors and extended family. What is wrong with this guy? What is wrong with America? We have sunken so low morally as a society that nobody any longer sees cheating as an affront but a mandate. God help us all.
In the end his decision to go for two cost the Lions a win and a shot at the 2 seed.
 

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Saying that Campbells bosses are also cheats is not a particularly winsome argument. You said ”the only thing” and I am telling you that character flaws have brought down many american heroes. Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Joe Paterno, and many, many athletes and coaches. Look at Dan Snyder, Raiders Chucky, and now Panthers owner and many more I am not mentioning. Anyone that believes winning trumps all and that there are no repercussions
for cheating and evil doing you are sorely mistaken. Have you not heard what goes around comes around????
Bad comparisons.
 

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Well to be fair they then tried to covert the 2 point 2 more times...how high are those chances of backfiring? I completely understand your logic, i just cant wrap my head around that no one on the lines side heard the call...it looked really intended to me.
The official at the pylon heard it. She's the one who threw the flag for illegal formation.
 

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He is right .... he deservers a double nipper of blue label tonight.
 

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Dallas had the right to know who the eligible receivers were on the 2 point conversion. Plain and simple.

Plays conceived to break the rules are not fair, devious, unscrupulous and the NFL should consider sanctions and fines going forward for such.

As the world turns, everyone is aware we are becoming as a world more unscrupulous where the ends justify the means and the NFL is no exception. Rules need to be modified to prevent unscrupulous coaches from winning by fraud.
Jerry and Dan got slapped with some HEAVY FINES years ago trying to work the system and Campbell should be hit with a large fine for trying to pull the wool over both the Game Officials and Cowboys eyes on that 2 point conversion.
 

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Jerry and Dan got slapped with some HEAVY FINES years ago trying to work the system and Campbell should be hit with a large fine for trying to pull the wool over both the Game Officials and Cowboys eyes on that 2 point conversion.
Agree 100%. All cheating. All inexcusable.
 

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Bad comparisons.
All suggested to point out if you are doing unethical things it will come back to bite you. All appropriate. Campbell is responsible for not destroying his reputation but it is already strike one. Trying to rob Dallas of the number 2 seed by subverting the rules is disgusting. Does it rise to the level of the comparisons, of course not. But all of those started somewhere more benign and that is my point. Campbell has been put on notice and will be scrutinized more carefully going forward for additional unethical activity. If this is his DNA, it will become apparent and his reputation will suffer horrifically and it should.
 

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Jerry and Dan got slapped with some HEAVY FINES years ago trying to work the system and Campbell should be hit with a large fine for trying to pull the wool over both the Game Officials and Cowboys eyes on that 2 point conversion.
Tell us what it was Campbell was fined for, just curious? It does not surprise me though.
 

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I don't think the play was intended to break the rules, I just think in an effort to confuse Dallas with multiple linemen approaching the ref that they ended up confusing the ref.
The problem though, is that the rule about declaring eligible receivers is specifically for the purpose of fair play. Campbell was trying to circumvent the whole concept of the rule. In my mind, that's cheating.
 

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The problem though, is that the rule about declaring eligible receivers is specifically for the purpose of fair play. Campbell was trying to circumvent the whole concept of the rule. In my mind, that's cheating.
The point I have been making from day one that most on here and even the clowns on indisputable and rex Ryan cant seem to comprehend. They get all wrapped up in the orchestrated confusion by Campbell and confusion designed legal plays by the offense that have nothing to do with subverting any rule. Why this is so difficult is mind blowing to me. I know I am smart, but people across the board cannot be this stupid.
 

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The ref tells the defense directly, not just rely on an announcement over the speaker. You actually see the ref after the Lions O-Linemen talk to him run over to the Cowboys to tell them.
I agree with this. But, if you call a shady "trick" play, aren't you going to make sure it goes as planned from start to finish? Is there any possibility that not one person on the Lions' sideline or on the field, who knew what was planned, heard the announcement and thought, "Oh wait, that's not right!"?
 

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But where is the deception when the ref announces the eligible receiver on the PA and tells the defense to their faces who it's going to be?
They were hoping Dallas would only look at the meeting with the ref, and not.listen to him...I guess.
 

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I agree with this. But, if you call a shady "trick" play, aren't you going to make sure it goes as planned from start to finish? Is there any possibility that not one person on the Lions' sideline or on the field, who knew what was planned, heard the announcement and thought, "Oh wait, that's not right!"?
No. If you listen to Decker after the game, he continues to obfuscate to cover Campbells tracks. In other words, listen closely, he never admits telling Allen he reported. He is mumbling and saying he approached Allen which he did. So the whole plan was orchestrated to a T. No confusion on players part. No confusion on Allens part. The plan was orchestrated to confuse Allen and actually trying to make him believe he did not hear what he actually heard from Skipper because the two other lineman were in his face who actually never reported anything. It was all designed to subvert the reporting rule. All unethical and scurrilous.

I believe Campbell, Decker, and Skipper are all scumbags and cheats and player failure to object to something that was clearly designed to subvert a rule is really disgusting to me but tells you a lot about their character. But does not surprise me with the rampant immorality and graft in the world today.
 
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