Jerry Jones hit the nail on the head

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you have to go up to the ref which 68 did, 70 didn't, makes no sense for 70 to report eligible and then line up in an ineligible position on the line as Aikman stated after the game, ref had a brain fart and assumed it was 70 reporting since he reported numerous times during the game..
For the 100th time. The ref got it right. The only reporting lineman was Skipper. Why is this so f*^@ing complicated? And all scripted to cheat.
 

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The refs were not fooled and anyone that entertains that is confused. The refs made an immediate and correct decision. No confusion.
My poor use of sarcasm.

The initial perspective of Eagles coaches, Eagles fans, and pro-Eagles media was that the refs had made a mistake.
 

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Dallas had the right to know who the eligible receivers were on the 2 point conversion. Plain and simple.

Plays conceived to break the rules are not fair, devious, unscrupulous and the NFL should consider sanctions and fines going forward for such.

As the world turns, everyone is aware we are becoming as a world more unscrupulous where the ends justify the means and the NFL is no exception. Rules need to be modified to prevent unscrupulous coaches from winning by fraud.
Absolutely right. They told the defense that #70 was eligible. Had they said #68, is dude standing in the EZ uncovered? Maybe, but probably not.

I keep hearing that 'they used to announce over the loudspeaker who is eligible on a play'. They still do. I've heard the audio of them announcing #70 as eligible on the play. If they were paying attention, Campbell and company knew the refs declared #70, not #68, eligible BEFORE the ball was snapped. The whole thing is a non-issue and a Lions problem, not a problem with the game or the refs, even if they made an honest mistake.
 

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I think this is WAY more simple than it's being made out to be.

Detroit was banking on the flag not being thrown. They were literally banking on the ref not wanting to either deal with the drama, or questioning themselves enough to hold the flag.

Detroit heard 70 reported as eligible and they rode with it, thinking it wouldn't get called either way.

The refs are inept and Detroit went all in on that.

Oh...and tripping..
 

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Dallas had the right to know who the eligible receivers were on the 2 point conversion. Plain and simple.

Plays conceived to break the rules are not fair, devious, unscrupulous and the NFL should consider sanctions and fines going forward for such.

As the world turns, everyone is aware we are becoming as a world more unscrupulous where the ends justify the means and the NFL is no exception. Rules need to be modified to prevent unscrupulous coaches from winning by fraud.
I won't fault a team for playing within the framework of the rules, however close they walked the line.

That said the rule needs to change not to allow situations like that in general. You don't need multiple players approaching the ref. We want to see straight up football not shenanigans winning big games.

I will absolutely fault Dan Campbell for his pathetic response to all of it. Acting as if he deserves to have a chip on his shoulder because the officials weren't in on his con is stupid. It's also stupid he kept going for it on 4th. The LIONS deserved to lose, and had the same officiating he's crying about done their jobs his offense never would've seen the field again. So shut up Detroit.
 

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A 2 pt conversion failure is spoken more about than Parsons being mauled in every game is amazing to me.
 

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Gee Jerry, 70 only reported as eligible 6 times during the game already, there was no rules broken or plays to break the rules folks on the two point play, just a ref that assumed 70 was reporting when he it was actually 68...
Lol ur clueless
 

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I won't fault a team for playing within the framework of the rules, however close they walked the line.

That said the rule needs to change not to allow situations like that in general. You don't need multiple players approaching the ref. We want to see straight up football not shenanigans winning big games.

I will absolutely fault Dan Campbell for his pathetic response to all of it. Acting as if he deserves to have a chip on his shoulder because the officials weren't in on his con is stupid. It's also stupid he kept going for it on 4th. The LIONS deserved to lose, and had the same officiating he's crying about done their jobs his offense never would've seen the field again. So shut up Detroino
no rule change necessary. if you watched the decker interview after the game you could tell he was being slick. He was very quiet. He never maintained he reported. He said he walked up to the ref which was true, but he never stated emphatically i reported to allen and upset that allen screwed it up. Why is that. I would be apoplectic. That is because he never did report as any believe. All bs all part of the plan. Decker is as much a liar and a cheat as Campbell.

ATTEMPTS TO SUBVERT NFL RULES SHOULE BE FOLLOWED BY SANCTIONS AND FINES. PERIOD!!!!!
 
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I think this is WAY more simple than it's being made out to be.

Detroit was banking on the flag not being thrown. They were literally banking on the ref not wanting to either deal with the drama, or questioning themselves enough to hold the flag.

Detroit heard 70 reported as eligible and they rode with it, thinking it wouldn't get called either way.

The refs are inept and Detroit went all in on that.

Oh...and tripping..
Exactly. Why everyone is so confused is beyond me.
 

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Dallas had the right to know who the eligible receivers were on the 2 point conversion. Plain and simple.

Plays conceived to break the rules are not fair, devious, unscrupulous and the NFL should consider sanctions and fines going forward for such.

As the world turns, everyone is aware we are becoming as a world more unscrupulous where the ends justify the means and the NFL is no exception. Rules need to be modified to prevent unscrupulous coaches from winning by fraud.
The rule states that the player has to clearly communicate both verbally and physically to the official.


Dan Campbell admitted to trying to cause confusion.


This is on nobody but the Lions.
 

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The rule states that the player has to clearly communicate both verbally and physically to the official.


Dan Campbell admitted to trying to cause confusion.


This is on nobody but the Lions.
Dan Campbell is not an honest or scrupulous person. Decker and Skipper are also part of the scheme and also unscrupulous. Attempts to subvert rules to disenfranchise opponents is wrong. We live in a day and age where people have a hard time comprehending even the spirit of the law.
 

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no rule change necessary. if you watched the decker interview after the game you could tell he was being slick. He was very quiet. He never maintained he reported. He said he walked up to the ref which was true, but he never stated emphatically i reported to allen and upset that allen screwed it up. Why is that. I would be apoplectic. That is because he never did report as any believe. All bs all part of the plan. Decker is as much a liar and a cheat as Campbell.

ATTEMPTS TO SUBVERT NFL RULES SHOULE BE FOLLOWED BY SANCTIONS AND FINES. PERIOD!!!!!
Agreed, in that he tried to be slick and he's full of crap with how he's answering questions now. He used one word to report and never swiped his jersey. That's on them.

I do think there's no reason to have multiple players approaching. Time was an issue as well. They needed to get lined up and snap the ball. That's why the official was rushing. No need to muddy the water, except deception.
 

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Agreed, in that he tried to be slick and he's full of crap with how he's answering questions now. He used one word to report and never swiped his jersey. That's on them.

I do think there's no reason to have multiple players approaching. Time was an issue as well. They needed to get lined up and snap the ball. That's why the official was rushing. No need to muddy the water, except deception.
I could care less if the whole team stands in front of the ref. Brad Allen was not confused and only one player swiped his chest and reported and then Allen reported it to the Cowboys. Why everyone wants to believe Decker reported (he has never claimed reporting in post game) or that Allen did not get it right is beyond me. And because Campbell et al are scumbags, cheats, and liars it has tarnished Allens reputation. Which is unconscionable. Once we first start to deceive a tangle web. Campbell has destroyed his young career unfortunately.
 

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I believe the NFL is going to make an adjustment to the rules to ensure something like this is not attempted again. I suspect the league will not allow 3 players to approach the refs unless they all report as eligible.

I think the NFL video made it very clear teams should not attempt to use deception when lining up or reporting to the refs. I would not be surprised if they don't make it an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
 

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I believe the NFL is going to make an adjustment to the rules to ensure something like this is not attempted again. I suspect the league will not allow 3 players to approach the refs unless they all report as eligible.

I think the NFL video made it very clear teams should not attempt to use deception when lining up or reporting to the refs. I would not be surprised if they don't make it an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
The fact that Campbell tried to subvert a rule should be glaring to anyone with a brain cell. Plays like certain rub plays are also designed to subvert rules. Unfortunately there are cheats and there are honest, decent coaches. But the play that Campbell devised was specifically designed not to confuse Dallas but to rob dallas by depriving them of knowing who is eligible. If we just apply the “what if you were the coach on the opposite side that got robbed and screwed out of a 2 seed?” That is what this was about. Campbell is perfectly comfortable screwing another team out of a 2 seed by cheating and can still look in the mirror, sleep at night, play with his kids, and deal with his neighbors and extended family. What is wrong with this guy? What is wrong with America? We have sunken so low morally as a society that nobody any longer sees cheating as an affront but a mandate. God help us all.
 

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I could care less if the whole team stands in front of the ref. Brad Allen was not confused and only one player swiped his chest and reported and then Allen reported it to the Cowboys. Why everyone wants to believe Decker reported (he has never claimed reporting in post game) or that Allen did not get it right is beyond me. And because Campbell et al are scumbags, cheats, and liars it has tarnished Allens reputation. Which is unconscionable. Once we first start to deceive a tangle web. Campbell has destroyed his young career unfortunately.
Naw, the ingreity of the league isn't up to a high standard. The only thing to ruin Campbell's career is losing. You're giving the league too much credit.
 
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