Jerry Jones just explained everything during the press conference

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He said that we had frederick, escobar, and williams all within five spots of eachother starting in the early 20's on our board. Give prior info, that means we had them all grouped together between the 22nd and 27th players on our board. As previously mentioned we had 19 players with 1st round grades. Our strategy was to hope that one of the two guards (cooper and warmack obviously) or maybe a tackle that could play guard (obviously fluker) would be there. If not, we would trade down because Jerry was determined to get a difference making interior lineman. They were targeting Frederick with the move down to 31, and expected he would be there. Because they were determined to get an interior lineman, they were not willing to risk moving back a few more spots so they took him at 31. Jerry notes they specifically wanted to take him in the 1st because of the fifth year option, and that they want him and smith to be the foundation of the line for years to come.

One of the big reasons they didnt take another player at 18 even though they had first round grades on some players is that they predicted they would be able to get those 3 players with the extra high 3rd. Jerry talks a lot about playing 3 tight end sets and that they really like Hanna; Garrett mostly talks about how they want to play more two tight end and split escabor wide or play one of the two as an h back (aka: the patriots). They talked a lot about how escabor was one of three pass catching tight ends in the draft (made it sound like they preferred both Ertz and Eifert, though cant be sure) and that they spent a lot of time trying to make sure the pick would alter the scheme in a positive way.

Whats really interesting is if you watch the predraft presser jerry basically said all of this. He said that teams would take interior lineman high this year because its not worth paying them in free agency nowadays, he said we would be very interested in moving back, and he talked about the importance of the 5th year option on 1st round picks.

So all in all, it seems like Frederick was probably the highest player on our board at 31, but we knew other teams had him a bit lower, but we were hell beant on getting an interior offensive lineman and he was the last one so we pulled the trigger. The way Jerry talks about it I can totally beleive that we had floyd high on our board, but because we thought williams would be there in the 3rd and we really wanted frederick, we still made the trade (though where we ranked floyd is still very much uncertain based on the two pressors)
 

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Oh on wilcox they said he can "develop" into any type of safety (he has all the skillsets) and that is the longterm goal. Garrett also said they had a short term goal for him, Im not aure if thats just ST or if its in a specific subpackage. But it definitely does not sound like they view him as a starting fs next year.

Also forgot to mention: They were also not willing to risk missing out on frederick by taking another player at 18 and hoping he fell to them at 47. He also said that they did whatever they could do to get the best trade possible, they were going to move down no matter what. So basically they were hell beant on getting him...kind of sad.
 

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hra8700;5066073 said:
Oh on wilcox they said he can "develop" into any type of safety (he has all the skillsets) and that is the longterm goal. Garrett also said they had a short term goal for him, Im not aure if thats just ST or if its in a specific subpackage. But it definitely does not sound like they view him as a starting fs next year.
Their goal should be to get Wilcox starting day one because they don't have a playmaker at safety currently on the roster...unless Johnson is a miracle.

Allen is solid, and Church is more of an in the box type guy, but I think Wilcox can make a lot more big plays than either of these guys.

I wonder how hard the Tampa 2 is to learn, especially for a safety. For the most part, isn't it just don't let anyone get behind you :laugh2: It's not like he has to learn RR's defense, so the best athlete should win out I would think.
 

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The rational makes sense, obviously its now up to the players to deliver on the field. IIRC in the 2011 draft Jones said something like they had drafted three first rounds picks and a bunch of people called him an idiot - but if you look at Smith, Carter and DeMarco that is essentially what we came out of the draft with.

If that was our board and our scouts were right, we came of this draft with three (very late round) #1's and a #3. I believe in the rule of waiting three years to judge a draft, lets see how this one plays out.
 

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Their goal should be to get Wilcox starting day one because they don't have a playmaker at safety currently on the roster...unless Johnson is a miracle.

Allen is solid, and Church is more of an in the box type guy, but I think Wilcox can make a lot more big plays than either of these guys.

I wonder how hard the Tampa 2 is to learn, especially for a safety. For the most part, isn't it just don't let anyone get behind you :laugh2: It's not like he has to learn RR's defense, so the best athlete should win out I would think.

Johnson has the same odds as Wilcox, IMO.
 

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If they really had Frederick, Escobar and Williams in their top 25 players, I would absolutely love to see that draft board. Part of me wonders how many players they actually rank. If you only rank half, or a quarter of the available players, then it's easy to say "we drafted our BPA" with a straight face.
 

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Sorry, I watched it again and I should clarify something. It doesnt sound like Jerry had any idea that Williams would be available in the 3rd, it actually seems like it was a surprised. He's just being smug and saying that they made the right decision in retrospect because by their board they got two players ranked in the mid 20's for the 18th pick. It doesnt sound like they were targetting williams in particular, just worked out that way, so jerry is being really defensive and patting himself on the back.
 

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hra8700;5066114 said:
Sorry, I watched it again and I should clarify something. It doesnt sound like Jerry had any idea that Williams would be available in the 3rd, it actually seems like it was a surprised. He's just being smug and saying that they made the right decision in retrospect because by their board they got two players ranked in the mid 20's for the 18th pick. It doesnt sound like they were targetting williams in particular, just worked out that way, so jerry is being really defensive and patting himself on the back.

He specifically said that he didn't expect Williams to be there. Way to try to Jerry bash for no reason.
 

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Galian Beast;5066137 said:
He specifically said that he didn't expect Williams to be there. Way to try to Jerry bash for no reason.

What are you talking about? I misinterpreted what he said originally and clarified on my own before anyone corrected me...hiw exactly is that trying to jerry bash?

Furthermore, it would be a GOOD thing if they predicted he would be available...the fact that they lucked into a player they liked isnt really a positive.
 

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I gotta feeling the trade that made me and most other fans melt down may have been a difference maker for the future of the Cowboys. We got our road grader and Terrance Williams, who looks like he'll be a great receiver.

For the first time in a while, I'm feeling good about this season. I'll feel even better if we sign a free-agent lineman. If the D stays healthy, the sky is the limit.
 

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hra8700;5066044 said:
He said that we had frederick, escobar, and williams all within five spots of eachother starting in the early 20's on our board. Give prior info, that means we had them all grouped together between the 22nd and 27th players on our board. As previously mentioned we had 19 players with 1st round grades. Our strategy was to hope that one of the two guards (cooper and warmack obviously) or maybe a tackle that could play guard (obviously fluker) would be there. If not, we would trade down because Jerry was determined to get a difference making interior lineman. They were targeting Frederick with the move down to 31, and expected he would be there. Because they were determined to get an interior lineman, they were not willing to risk moving back a few more spots so they took him at 31. Jerry notes they specifically wanted to take him in the 1st because of the fifth year option, and that they want him and smith to be the foundation of the line for years to come.

One of the big reasons they didnt take another player at 18 even though they had first round grades on some players is that they predicted they would be able to get those 3 players with the extra high 3rd. Jerry talks a lot about playing 3 tight end sets and that they really like Hanna; Garrett mostly talks about how they want to play more two tight end and split escabor wide or play one of the two as an h back (aka: the patriots). They talked a lot about how escabor was one of three pass catching tight ends in the draft (made it sound like they preferred both Ertz and Eifert, though cant be sure) and that they spent a lot of time trying to make sure the pick would alter the scheme in a positive way.

Whats really interesting is if you watch the predraft presser jerry basically said all of this. He said that teams would take interior lineman high this year because its not worth paying them in free agency nowadays, he said we would be very interested in moving back, and he talked about the importance of the 5th year option on 1st round picks.

So all in all, it seems like Frederick was probably the highest player on our board at 31, but we knew other teams had him a bit lower, but we were hell beant on getting an interior offensive lineman and he was the last one so we pulled the trigger. The way Jerry talks about it I can totally beleive that we had floyd high on our board, but because we thought williams would be there in the 3rd and we really wanted frederick, we still made the trade (though where we ranked floyd is still very much uncertain based on the two pressors)
Jerry is a liar.There is no way they had Frederick,Escobar,and Williams ranked as the 22nd-27th players on their board.If that is true,that tells you everything you need to know about this organization.By saying that,he's basically telling every Cowboy fan out there that he thinks they're stupid.That they will buy into it.
 

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"Of course we had guys taken in the 40s and 70s in our top 30".
 

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In trying to be too complementary of Frederick, Jerry's basically pissing on anyone on the OL not named Tyron.

"But what he really is, is a foundation there in the middle, that when we've got him and Smith on the outside we can fill in the blanks as we go along over the next few years if he's the player that we expect him to be there. We needed that base. Romo called and said, "thank you for that extra half a second".
 

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Hoofbite;5066168 said:
"Of course we had guys taken in the 40s and 70s in our top 30".

When someone makes such a clear statement like that hes almost definitely being honest. Because you dont want to look like a liar to every person who works with you who knows what your board looks like. You'll lose a lot of respect from your friends and colleagues.

Im sure that statement is true.
 

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hra8700;5066189 said:
When someone makes such a clear statement like that hes almost definitely being honest. Because you dont want to look like a liar to every person who works with you who knows what your board looks like. You'll lose a lot of respect from your friends and colleagues.

Im sure that statement is true.

I'm sure it is too, but what does that say about our FO and scouting?
 

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Ren;5066191 said:
I'm sure it is too, but what does that say about our FO and scouting?

Probably means that they were taking a lot of guys off their board for inconsistant work ethic, questionable off-field behavior, lack of football smarts, bad fit for the schemes planned, etc.

Also, they may have guys grouped as 'early 2nd rounders', 'mid 2nd rounders', etc, as opposed to a strict numerical sequence. They certainly didn't have 32 guys ranked as 'first rounders.'
 

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I don't get it. You have a 1st round grade on Floyd, he's there for your pick and you trade away from talent so you can get a WR later in the draft? What kind of draft strategy is that?
 

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I don't get it. You have a 1st round grade on Floyd, he's there for your pick and you trade away from talent so you can get a WR later in the draft? What kind of draft strategy is that?

Floyd didn't fit our defense.

We traded to get a starting OL and Austin's replacement.
 

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Jerry is a liar.There is no way they had Frederick,Escobar,and Williams ranked as the 22nd-27th players on their board.If that is true,that tells you everything you need to know about this organization.By saying that,he's basically telling every Cowboy fan out there that he thinks they're stupid.That they will buy into it.

Jerry told us the same about sean lee and bruce carter and demarco murray...

not every player matches every scheme and dallas tends to put a lot of guys in the box that they wont touch under garrett.

the fact they draft the guys indicate they like them more than others in all likelihood. not exactly shocking.

they asked romo to look at terrance willians and gavin escobar. chances are they liked those guys quite a lot if he was asked to rate them.
 

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big dog cowboy;5066210 said:
Floyd didn't fit our defense.

We traded to get a starting OL and Austin's replacement.

Doesn't fit our defense? Why's he on the board then? I'm not even that high on Floyd, I'm talking from a draft strategy standpoint.
 
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