Jerry Jones just explained everything during the press conference

[Stash]

In trying to be too complementary of Frederick, Jerry's basically pissing on anyone on the OL not named Tyron.

And I'm OK with that.

 

[Doomsay]

So they overrank players compared to the rest of the league and then they fist-bump when they are still there later in the draft?

Still doesn't explain trading down from 18 when the #7 player is still there.

 

[Shinywalrus]

So they overrank players compared to the rest of the league and then they fist-bump when they are still there later in the draft?

Still doesn't explain trading down from 18 when the #7 player is still there.

I am very jealous of the access to other teams' draft boards you have that allows you to make that statement. Next year you should definitely consider sharing the info you have on other teams' draft boards with Valley Ranch!

 

[speedkilz88]

On Floyd, it sounds like the scouts really liked him a lot. But the problem was that Kiffin and Marinelli were not that high on him in their defense. As has been mentioned, Kiffin has said that he wants guys that can rush the passer. It appears that Kiffin wanted Logan, unfortunately so did the eagles.

 

[Blast From The Past]

He said that we had frederick, escobar, and williams all within five spots of eachother starting in the early 20's on our board. Give prior info, that means we had them all grouped together between the 22nd and 27th players on our board. As previously mentioned we had 19 players with 1st round grades. Our strategy was to hope that one of the two guards (cooper and warmack obviously) or maybe a tackle that could play guard (obviously fluker) would be there. If not, we would trade down because Jerry was determined to get a difference making interior lineman. They were targeting Frederick with the move down to 31, and expected he would be there. Because they were determined to get an interior lineman, they were not willing to risk moving back a few more spots so they took him at 31. Jerry notes they specifically wanted to take him in the 1st because of the fifth year option, and that they want him and smith to be the foundation of the line for years to come.

One of the big reasons they didnt take another player at 18 even though they had first round grades on some players is that they predicted they would be able to get those 3 players with the extra high 3rd. Jerry talks a lot about playing 3 tight end sets and that they really like Hanna; Garrett mostly talks about how they want to play more two tight end and split escabor wide or play one of the two as an h back (aka: the patriots). They talked a lot about how escabor was one of three pass catching tight ends in the draft (made it sound like they preferred both Ertz and Eifert, though cant be sure) and that they spent a lot of time trying to make sure the pick would alter the scheme in a positive way.

Whats really interesting is if you watch the predraft presser jerry basically said all of this. He said that teams would take interior lineman high this year because its not worth paying them in free agency nowadays, he said we would be very interested in moving back, and he talked about the importance of the 5th year option on 1st round picks.

So all in all, it seems like Frederick was probably the highest player on our board at 31, but we knew other teams had him a bit lower, but we were hell beant on getting an interior offensive lineman and he was the last one so we pulled the trigger. The way Jerry talks about it I can totally beleive that we had floyd high on our board, but because we thought williams would be there in the 3rd and we really wanted frederick, we still made the trade (though where we ranked floyd is still very much uncertain based on the two pressors)

So we really do have a plan this year? Not yet one hurt or rehabbing draft pick. I love it for how this draft has unfolded thus far.

 

[JerryFan]

On Floyd, it sounds like the scouts really liked him a lot. But the problem was that Kiffin and Marinelli were not that high on him in their defense. As has been mentioned, Kiffin has said that he wants guys that can rush the passer. It appears that Kiffin wanted Logan, unfortunately so did the eagles.

Good post. It's not like Kiffin and Marinelli don't know what they're looking for in their type of DL. Theyve been repeatedly successful at it for a while.

 

[Blast From The Past]

What are you talking about? I misinterpreted what he said originally and clarified on my own before anyone corrected me...hiw exactly is that trying to jerry bash?

Furthermore, it would be a GOOD thing if they predicted he would be available...the fact that they lucked into a player they liked isnt really a positive.

Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.

 

[AsthmaField]

Frankly, I get a little nervous when the teams draft board closely follows the boards of draftniks like Kiper and Mayock. It seems like the teams that draft well always seem to deviate from the norm. Teams like New England and Pittsburgh always seem to stack their boards considerably different from what we do on the message boards.

It never fails that New England will take guys you have heard little about with their high picks. People forget that when the Pats took Logan Mankins in round 1 a few years ago everyone was wondering what the heck they were thinking. Gronkowski went higher than expected I believe and then they used another relatively high pick on TE when they took Hernandez in the same draft.

Bottom line is that the teams know what they're trying to do and how they value players. We shouldn't be able to pick those guys out without that information.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He had 4.5 sacks in 4 seasons of play and 3.5 of those sacks came in two bowl games. He is not a pass rusher, he just isn't.


The stats don't lie, Monte Kiffen wants pressure DTs that can shoot the gaps and put pressure on the QB.

Clearly Floyd has problems getting to the QB, the game tape doesn't lie and neither does his stats.

Still doesn't explain trading down from 18 when the #7 player is still there.

:laugh2:

 

[LatinMind]

I'm sure it is too, but what does that say about our FO and scouting?

who are you to question what they do? Dallas filled in needs they had before and after all the injuries. interior blocking. I have a feeling frederick will be a left guard. Vertical threat in williams. Too many time dallas stalled because the defense knew they couldnt stretch the field. and a TE who can get vertical and take that S with him. All big needs for Dallas. Then a young S that matches what kiffin wants to do on def. I like this draft.

 

[Chuck 54]

Oh on wilcox they said he can "develop" into any type of safety (he has all the skillsets) and that is the longterm goal. Garrett also said they had a short term goal for him, Im not aure if thats just ST or if its in a specific subpackage. But it definitely does not sound like they view him as a starting fs next year.

Also forgot to mention: They were also not willing to risk missing out on frederick by taking another player at 18 and hoping he fell to them at 47. He also said that they did whatever they could do to get the best trade possible, they were going to move down no matter what. So basically they were hell beant on getting him...kind of sad.

He will be in the box, on the goal line, and possibly in the deep patrol in prevent. But he won't find himself in man coverages unless he lights it up in camp.

 

[theogt]

Doesn't fit our defense? Why's he on the board then? I'm not even that high on Floyd, I'm talking from a draft strategy standpoint.

This post makes zero since. I'm sure they had plenty of people on the board that don't "fit" the team. It doesn't mean they wouldn't ever select them -- it just means they wouldn't select them where they were slotted to go. If Floyd was there in the 2nd, I'm sure they would have picked him. But he didn't present the value that they wanted at 18. In the end, they got two immediate contributors for a guy that wouldn't even play all 3 downs on this team.

They'll get double the snap total out of Frederick and Williams in year 1 as compared to Floyd. In the long-term, they'll both likely be 3-down starters, with Floyd being a rotational guy. This is an absolute no-brainer in hind-sight.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This post makes zero since. I'm sure they had plenty of people on the board that don't "fit" the team. It doesn't mean they wouldn't ever select them -- it just means they wouldn't select them where they were slotted to go. If Floyd was there in the 2nd, I'm sure they would have picked him. But he didn't present the value that they wanted at 18. In the end, they got two immediate contributors for a guy that wouldn't even play all 3 downs on this team.

They'll get double the snap total out of Frederick and Williams in year 1 as compared to Floyd. In the long-term, they'll both likely be 3-down starters, with Floyd being a rotational guy. This is an absolute no-brainer in hind-sight.

Valid point, i.e. snap count.

 

[TheCount]

This post makes zero since. I'm sure they had plenty of people on the board that don't "fit" the team. It doesn't mean they wouldn't ever select them -- it just means they wouldn't select them where they were slotted to go. If Floyd was there in the 2nd, I'm sure they would have picked him. But he didn't present the value that they wanted at 18. In the end, they got two immediate contributors for a guy that wouldn't even play all 3 downs on this team.

They'll get double the snap total out of Frederick and Williams in year 1 as compared to Floyd. In the long-term, they'll both likely be 3-down starters, with Floyd being a rotational guy. This is an absolute no-brainer in hind-sight.

For a post that made zero sense, you sure have a lot to say in response.

The idea that you could have a guy with a 1st round grade, and then when his number is called, decide he's worth a 2nd round pick instead is certainly counter intuitive

1st year snap count is also a ridiculous way to choose who you're going to draft. If you scouted a guy and decided he's a 2 down player then why in the blue tarnation does he have a first round grade?

 

[theogt]

For a post that made zero sense, you sure have a lot to say in response.

The idea that you could have a guy with a 1st round grade, and then when his number is called, decide he's worth a 2nd round pick instead is certainly counter intuitive

1st year snap count is also a ridiculous way to choose who you're going to draft. If you scouted a guy and decided he's a 2 down player then why in the blue tarnation does he have a first round grade?

I think you're confusing "grade" with "where we want to pick him".

In any given year they could have multiple QBs with "first round grades", but not draft them even if they're available at the pick.

It's good thing I didn't focus only on 1st year snap count, isn't it? Otherwise you might have a salient point -- a rarity indeed.

 

[TheCount]

I think you're confusing "grade" with "where we want to pick him".

In any given year they could have multiple QBs with "first round grades", but not draft them even if they're available at the pick.

It's good thing I didn't focus only on 1st year snap count, isn't it? Otherwise you might have a salient point -- a rarity indeed.

lol, you are more dramatic than any woman I've ever met. Having a conversation with you is always a real treat.

Go on pretending you can't grasp my point, that's cool with me.

 

[Wood]

Jerry is a liar.There is no way they had Frederick,Escobar,and Williams ranked as the 22nd-27th players on their board.If that is true,that tells you everything you need to know about this organization.By saying that,he's basically telling every Cowboy fan out there that he thinks they're stupid.That they will buy into it.

I agree...if they had those three ranked that high...then there are bigger issues here. The thing is...Jerry doesn't even need to make these comments. He consistently acts like the he has this 'elite' football reputation to uphold and justify everything. He just needs to come out and say he added some good players and stop there.

 

[theogt]

lol, you are more dramatic than any woman I've ever met. Having a conversation with you is always a real treat.

Go on pretending you can't grasp my point, that's cool with me.

"Dramatic" is apparently another word you fail to understand.

The problem, really, is that I did grasp your point. It'd been better if I didn't understand and merely passed over it.

 

[TheCount]

"Dramatic" is apparently another word you fail to understand.

Heyo! Another good one!

The problem, really, is that I did grasp your point. It'd been better if I didn't understand and merely passed over it.

Ah, so the "This makes zero sense" was just for flavor? Gotcha.

I know it'd be a real struggle for you to respond without kicking off the post with an insult, so I understand.

 

[Clove]

blah blah blah, let's just see how they turn out in the next 2 or 3 years.