Jerry Jones: 'No evidence' for six game suspension in Ezekiel Elliott case

[The Quest for Six]

You're arguments are completely one-directional though. You refuse to look at the other direction at all and choose to refuse it exists in your arguments. There is now representation trying to talk and that's being muted in the court of Nothing.
So... Hence my post, despite your protesting that you are fair, or whatever you are trying to portray yourself as.

You are being extremely... extreme.

I'm just responding to these ridiculous notions, like take it to court but what people don't grasp this case isn't in front of a court, getting an injunction isn't based on facts in the case, it's just trying the get a procedural injunction on the process, it's not about the facts in the case because it's not before the court to begin with or the fact people think because he wasn't charged or convicted, he can't be suspended, too many people have no clue about criminal charge, burden of proof in a criminal case and a policy of a business code of conduct and preponderance of evidence minimal burden, they completely conflate the two....Yes she's a liar, she's a stripper, she'a this, she's that, she a money grabber, that's all I read day after day about her....she may be, I have no idea because I don't personally know her...He isn't a choir boy either and the fact she lied about one thing doesn't mean he didn't hit her, apparently from the evidence the league found and presented, they believe he did....and that's all I can go by!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Damn right. I should Follow you, shouldn't I? Too bad I'm listening to Leonard Cohen and commitments are making me scared...

I completely missed that he was dead. See what you've done?!?

 

[Corso]

I'm just responding to these ridiculous notions, like take it to court but what people don't grasp this case isn't in front of a court, getting an injunction isn't based on facts in the case, it's just trying the get a procedural injunction on the process, it's not about the facts in the case because it's not before the court to begin with or the fact people think because he wasn't charged or convicted, he can't be suspended, too many people have no clue about criminal charge, burden of proof in a criminal case and a policy of a business code of conduct and preponderance of evidence minimal burden, they completely conflate the two....Yes she's a liar, she's a stripper, she'a this, she's that, she a money grabber, that's all I read day after day about her....she may be, I have no idea because I don't personally know her...He isn't a choir boy either and the fact she lied about one thing doesn't mean he didn't hit her, apparently from the evidence the league found and presented, they believe he did....and that's all I can go by!!

Damn homie...
Good argument, but it doesn't take into account that you are heavy heavy on one side of this argument and firing shots to only the other side, with nearly complete disregard to the other side's arguments.
This game isn't done and, in the end, I think your results will come to fruition so be glad.
You will probably be right in all of this, in the end.

 

[Corso]

I completely missed that he was dead. See what you've done?!?

American Tragedy and one that should be mourned much more than it is.

 

[speedkilz88]

From everything in the NFL statement, there is absolutely nothing else to be shown. Even who the NFL hired said Zeke's ex isn't reliable.

Someone on here said the NFL has "texts" that prove Zeke hit her, but I have searched around everywhere and have yet to find the NFL stating this or even a news outlet saying this.

I've seen where someone supposedly took one of Zeke's texts out of context. He used the slang term "hit me back" in one of them. It was obvious to sane people that he meant call or text back.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm just responding to these ridiculous notions, like take it to court but what people don't grasp this case isn't in front of a court, getting an injunction isn't based on facts in the case, it's just trying the get a procedural injunction on the process, it's not about the facts in the case because it's not before the court to begin with or the fact people think because he wasn't charged or convicted, he can't be suspended, too many people have no clue about criminal charge, burden of proof in a criminal case and a policy of a business code of conduct and preponderance of evidence minimal burden, they completely conflate the two....Yes she's a liar, she's a stripper, she'a this, she's that, she a money grabber, that's all I read day after day about her....she may be, I have no idea because I don't personally know her...He isn't a choir boy either and the fact she lied about one thing doesn't mean he didn't hit her, apparently from the evidence the league found and presented, they believe he did....and that's all I can go by!!

If the arguments Kessler and co make are the same arguments for the same panel then maybe. This is not the same situation though.

The NFL is brading Zeke as a criminal and if they decide that procedurally they did not allow Zeke defend himself, ignore evidence, or something like that then the court will be looking at evidence. After all Kessler filed a brief immediately after they excluded evidence in the appeal.

And from the best of my understanding Thompson is not a stripper. She was like a Twin Peaks waitress or the like. That is neither here nor there when it comes to her credibility. It wouldn't matter if she was a prostitute. She lied and then tried to tamper with a witness. That is what makes her not credible.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

From all i have read on twitter when it comes to these sports "journalists" this is going to get ugly. The NFL seems to be hiding something and trying to block Zeke and his Reps from getting a neutral party to look at this because they know it will get overturned and the NFL will look like a joke. They dont need that PR because they want the nfl is tough on domestic violence PR campaign.

It's weird. It's like they just suspended him for overall douchery. I understand the precedent set by roethlisberger of suspensions without convictions. But that was different Bc by all accounts he literally definitely raped a teenager in public but it got covered up by shady cops who work for Pittsburgh.

So then what are we doing? You miss some games for rape and domestic assault? Shouldn't they be permantly barred from ever playing in the NFL again? You either got the dirt or you don't.

 

[Corso]

If the arguments Kessler and co make are the same arguments for the same panel then maybe. This is not the same situation though.

The NFL is brading Zeke as a criminal and if they decide that procedurally they did not allow Zeke defend himself, ignore evidence, or something like that then the court will be looking at evidence. After all Kessler filed a brief immediately after they excluded evidence in the appeal.

And from the best of my understanding Thompson is not a stripper. She was like a Twin Peaks waitress or the like. That is neither here nor there when it comes to her credibility. It wouldn't matter if she was a prostitute. She lied and then tried to tamper with a witness. That is what makes her not credible.

Emmer ****** Terminator... Yo, @Whatsyounameis- this is real for court and it's going there.
Confound it, my liquor is talking!

Time to get off... Bet I won't, though. Not totally...

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I completely agree, there may be ghosts in the closet that he doesn't want out from high school to college....that just might open up a whole new can of worms for him...

Yeah that's from your fevered imagination. Suing a "victim" in a pr battle is poor form. Side effect is it lets imbecilic concern trolls with no ability to discern nuance have a small platform to read into the decision whatever ignorant take they like. No one can look at the evidence against Zeke and conclude he's guilty without either ignorance of the case or extreme bias. Unfortunately you're a victim of both.

 

[casmith07]

MEMBERS OF THE EXTERNAL EXPERT ADVISORY PANEL

Experts on what?

Screwing Dallas.

 

[ConstantReboot]

From everything in the NFL statement, there is absolutely nothing else to be shown. Even who the NFL hired said Zeke's ex isn't reliable.

Someone on here said the NFL has "texts" that prove Zeke hit her, but I have searched around everywhere and have yet to find the NFL stating this or even a news outlet saying this.

They have pages and pages of text between her and Zeke. Contrary to what she said, there is no text of Zeke laying a hand on her. She said it all of a sudden disappeared.

 

[Corso]

Emmer ****** Terminator... Yo, @Whatsyounameis- this is real for court and it's going there.
Confound it, my liquor is talking!

Time to get off... Bet I won't, though. Not totally...

Darn it! Still here! Talked already too much nonesense... I can't even spell that right anymore!

Goodnight.

 

[Direwolf63]

Yeah that's from your fevered imagination. Suing a "victim" in a pr battle is poor form. Side effect is it lets imbecilic concern trolls with no ability to discern nuance have a small platform to read into the decision whatever ignorant take they like. No one can look at the evidence against Zeke and conclude he's guilty without either ignorance of the case or extreme bias. Unfortunately you're a victim of both.

You are not suing a "victim" if you are innocent.

She cannot be a victim if he didn't touch her.

An innocent person would try to save his name and reputation from damaging accusations. If he is innocent.

 

[Texas_Pete]

 

[Jake]

Created new thread because this is Jerry speaking out for the first time since suspension.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-six-game-suspension-in-ezekiel-elliott-case/

The full quotes from Jones are as follows:

"Unfortunately you get confused in this conversation. Every person that has any sense at all understands domestic violence and abhors it. On the other hand, I've had a lot of experience in this area. For 10 years before I bought the Cowboys I was the head of battered women of Arkansas. I raised more money and been in more safe houses than a lot of people that talk about it and so it's a terrible problem.

"On the other hand with what we are today and what we're trying to be relative to addressing it in the league, [it] has all kinds of issues and it should. It's a very complicated issue because you have no evidence here. That's all I want to say about it. But it creates quite a convoluted approach by Zeke's representatives and by the league that I really hate is a focus of all of our attention. I do. Even though others would say that the issue needs this kind of focus and you're using the NFL for visibility."

Give 'em hell, Jerry.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

You are not suing a "victim" if you are innocent.

She cannot be a victim if he didn't touch her.

An innocent person would try to save his name and reputation from damaging accusations. If he is innocent.

Yeah hence the quotes. If you can't see the pitfalls of a lawsuit against his accuser I don't know what to tell you but I can tell you that no one would advise him to do it so implying guilt from his failure to sue her is extremely misguided.

 

[NeonNinja]

The only reason for Jerry to come out today and claim "no evidence" is to put pressure on Henderson to reduce the suspension... if he does to 3 or 4 games, I wonder if Zeke's team accepts it.

No. It looks like it's 0 games or court. I agree.

 

[manster4ever]

The NFL (who among them are leading this charge I haven't got a clue) will look like utter ***** if and when Zeke is shown to be innocent. It will be seen that in their quest to be tough on domestic violence, where in the past they were seen as soft and compromising when there was legitimate evidence for it, e.g., Ray Rice, Josh Brown, etc., they effectively railroaded an innocent potential star of the league just to be PC.

Pretty solid post....Hopefully the is the beginning of the end for "God"ell too.

 

[Plumfool]

Wait what?

 

[manster4ever]

No. It looks like it's 0 games or court. I agree.

Me too. IF Zeke did it, or anything close to it, then he should be a man and take his medicine. But that's simply not the case here from all appearances.