Jerry Jones on Carr

[Nightman]

Because it's not my money. Carr is not the first or last player to be getting overpaid. and next year if they can get someone better, maybe then they can let him go. but not right now. this team can't afford to let Carr go. and Jerry knows it.

There is a salary cap and we let players like Murray go because of money.

Carr has underperformed and been overpaid since we signed him.

BJones was just drafted at #27, how many more resources should we throw at CB?

 

[AbeBeta]

No it's not. no where in that tweet does it say that.

Don't be ridiculous. Right now if we cut Carr after this season we gain about 6 mill in cap room - no way we are looking at just reducing his cap hit for this year as that would largely screw us for 2016.

 

[cowboyvic]

Don't be ridiculous. Right now if we cut Carr after this season we gain about 6 mill in cap room - no way we are looking at just reducing his cap hit for this year as that would largely screw us for 2016.

Sorry but Carr is not taking a pay cut this year. they will lower his cap hit by giving him more upfront money this year. then they may let him go next year. but right now he is not going anywhere, or taking any pay cut.

 

[gimmesix]

You're off base here. A cut in compensation is what is being discussed here.

That doesn't seem to be the case.

“We are continuing to look for ways that we can do something that’s good for both of us,” Jones said, via Charean Williams of the Star-Telegram. “Good for both of us being the Cowboys relative to relief as to our cap management and good for him that would maybe be some pluses for him on his contract. Again, any more than that and I’m getting into negotiating details. But there are ways that we can improve our lot that aren’t unrealistic. It would just be someone giving up something significant.”

Now, the last line about "someone giving up something significant" might mean a cut in compensation. ... It's always difficult to figure out Jones-speak. It would depend on what he means by pluses in his contract. I take that to mean the Cowboys will move money around to cut his cap hits (because "cap management" keeps getting mentioned) without really costing Carr any real money.

 

[AzorAhai]

Sorry but Carr is not taking a pay cut this year. they will lower his cap hit by giving him more upfront money this year. then they may let him go next year. but right now he is not going anywhere, or taking any pay cut.

You're wrong, yet again. Guess I shouldn't be surprised by this, yet again.

 

[AbeBeta]

Sorry but Carr is not taking a pay cut this year. they will lower his cap hit by giving him more upfront money this year. then they may let him go next year. but right now he is not going anywhere, or taking any pay cut.

Sorry but that just makes no sense. He knows he can't make a ton on the open market and we aren't paying him 8 mill.

Why on earth would be lower his cap hit? Please don't say Dez because a new deal will surely hit the cap at a lower charge than his present franchise tag

 

[AbeBeta]

That doesn't seem to be the case.



Now, the last line about "someone giving up something significant" might mean a cut in compensation. ... It's always difficult to figure out Jones-speak. It would depend on what he means by pluses in his contract. I take that to mean the Cowboys will move money around to cut his cap hits (because "cap management" keeps getting mentioned) without really costing Carr any real money.

Pluses would be that we guarantee his salary for 2015 - meaning that we don't cut him outright. If he cuts his salary in half, he'd get 4 mill. Do you think he'd get that on the open market? Likely not. It makes no sense to move money around because we don't need cap space to do anything. This is all about reducing his pay.

 

[xwalker]

Sorry but no pay cut for Carr. i know it makes some of you mad, but no pay cut.

What the blank do you know about Carr's contract? You need to indicate that you are guessing.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Good news! He started to turn things around towards the end of the season last year.

 

[USMarineVet]

Hmm... I wonder if this includes an extension?

All it says is that they're looking at lowering his cap hit.

 

[gimmesix]

Pluses would be that we guarantee his salary for 2015 - meaning that we don't cut him outright. If he cuts his salary in half, he'd get 4 mill. Do you think he'd get that on the open market? Likely not. It makes no sense to move money around because we don't need cap space to do anything. This is all about reducing his pay.

I'm not sure what the pluses are. Carr's agent has said he isn't taking a pay cut. Jones has said the Cowboys want to bring relief to the cap, but hasn't said they're going to do that by cutting his salary. Simply guaranteeing his 2015 salary doesn't help us because that's $8 million of his $12 million, with the other $4 million already guaranteed in bonuses paid.

Taking his salary for this year and converting it to bonus would guarantee that he receives it while moving half of it into next year, reducing his cap hit to just over $8 million for this year, while increasing his 2016 salary to almost $18 million, including an $8-$10 million hit just to cut him.

The only way to really bring relief to the cap is to get him to take a pay cut. Converting his salary to bonus would bring temporary relief this year, but we would pay for it in the long run.

With Dallas saying Carr isn't going anywhere this year, it has no leverage to make him take any kind of cut in pay. The only leverage it has is guaranteeing money, which doesn't really help them because I don't believe they are looking to extend Carr.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm not sure what the pluses are. Carr's agent has said he isn't taking a pay cut. Jones has said the Cowboys want to bring relief to the cap, but hasn't said they're going to do that by cutting his salary. Simply guaranteeing his 2015 salary doesn't help us because that's $8 million of his $12 million, with the other $4 million already guaranteed in bonuses paid.

Taking his salary for this year and converting it to bonus would guarantee that he receives it while moving half of it into next year, reducing his cap hit to just over $8 million for this year, while increasing his 2016 salary to almost $18 million, including an $8-$10 million hit just to cut him.

The only way to really bring relief to the cap is to get him to take a pay cut. Converting his salary to bonus would bring temporary relief this year, but we would pay for it in the long run.

With Dallas saying Carr isn't going anywhere this year, it has no leverage to make him take any kind of cut in pay. The only leverage it has is guaranteeing money, which doesn't really help them because I don't believe they are looking to extend Carr.

If you read my earlier post, it was about a paycut that is paired with the remaining 2015 salary being guaranteed. Basically what we did with Free.

Converting salary to bonus would be stupid for a couple of reasons. First - we don't need cap space. Second, well, there really is no second. See the first point.

This isn't about cap space. It is about not paying Carr 8 mill dollars after three years of under performing his deal.

I think you are wrong about leverage. We have the cap space to cut Carr and take the accelerated bonus. Where is Carr going to get a big deal at this point? Does he really want to take the chance that someone is going to pick him up for several million? You cut his salary to 4 mill and guarantee it and Carr is probably still in a better place that he is if released.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No it's not. no where in that tweet does it say that.

Then what in the world do you think they are discussing? We don't need his cap space this year and we could easily create cap if we wanted with a simple restructure.

What else then are they discussing then?

 

[gimmesix]

If you read my earlier post, it was about a paycut that is paired with the remaining 2015 salary being guaranteed. Basically what we did with Free.

Converting salary to bonus would be stupid for a couple of reasons. First - we don't need cap space. Second, well, there really is no second. See the first point.

This isn't about cap space. It is about not paying Carr 8 mill dollars after three years of under performing his deal.

I think you are wrong about leverage. We have the cap space to cut Carr and take the accelerated bonus. Where is Carr going to get a big deal at this point? Does he really want to take the chance that someone is going to pick him up for several million? You cut his salary to 4 mill and guarantee it and Carr is probably still in a better place that he is if released.

Dallas has said Carr isn't going anywhere. I don't see how that's leverage.

If we get into camp and decide that we can do without him if he doesn't take a cut, that changes. But right now, what's the incentive for him to take less money, when Jerry isn't even saying they are asking him to take less money?

The only way a deal makes sense for either side is if Dallas does more than just guarantee his 2015 salary. If he knows he's staying in 2015, Dallas has no leverage. If he knows he's likely to be gone in 2016 and won't receive a dime of the $9.1 million salary he's due, he might be willing to renegotiate if some of that salary is guaranteed.

I don't see that being a positive for Dallas because it is likely to cut him next year and doesn't need any more guaranteed money hitting the cap. Best thing to do is eat his salary this year and cut him next year.

 

[AbeBeta]

Dallas has said Carr isn't going anywhere. I don't see how that's leverage.

If we get into camp and decide that we can do without him if he doesn't take a cut, that changes. But right now, what's the incentive for him to take less money, when Jerry isn't even saying they are asking him to take less money?

The only way a deal makes sense for either side is if Dallas does more than just guarantee his 2015 salary. If he knows he's staying in 2015, Dallas has no leverage. If he knows he's likely to be gone in 2016 and won't receive a dime of the $9.1 million salary he's due, he might be willing to renegotiate if some of that salary is guaranteed.

I don't see that being a positive for Dallas because it is likely to cut him next year and doesn't need any more guaranteed money hitting the cap. Best thing to do is eat his salary this year and cut him next year.

Saying someone isn't going anywhere doesn't mean that he isn't going anywhere. Jones is being respectful - not saying publicly he ain't worth the money.

We clearly have leverage as we are likely the only team in the league that will employ Carr for more than 2 mill a year.

 

[gimmesix]

Saying someone isn't going anywhere doesn't mean that he isn't going anywhere. Jones is being respectful - not saying publicly he ain't worth the money.

We clearly have leverage as we are likely the only team in the league that will employ Carr for more than 2 mill a year.

I think you're going overboard because you don't think he's worth the money. There's no use saying Carr could possibly be cut when the Cowboys aren't. The leverage isn't there until Dallas says take a pay cut or else. Right now, the Cowboys are not threatening that or saying he's not worth the money.

Any leverage Dallas has will likely be determined in camp by the play of Claiborne and Jones, so I don't know if anything will happen with Carr's contract until then.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think you're going overboard because you don't think he's worth the money. There's no use saying Carr could possibly be cut when the Cowboys aren't. The leverage isn't there until Dallas says take a pay cut or else. Right now, the Cowboys are not threatening that or saying he's not worth the money.

Any leverage Dallas has will likely be determined in camp by the play of Claiborne and Jones, so I don't know if anything will happen with Carr's contract until then.

The team wants to keep Carr - he's a good leader and serviceable.

But no one in this league believes that Carr is worth 8 mil. Carr and his agent know this.

He's not getting that on the open market. The team isn't saying publicly he isn't worth the money because that sort of crap is unnecessary, disrespectful, and creates really bad blood. Whether or not you say that to a player, when you ask him to take a paycut that is exactly what you are telling him.

The whole idea that we are going to restructure his deal is totally off. After this year we are totally out from under that giant deal. Why on earth would be paint ourselves into another corner?

 

[Nightman]

I think you're going overboard because you don't think he's worth the money. There's no use saying Carr could possibly be cut when the Cowboys aren't. The leverage isn't there until Dallas says take a pay cut or else. Right now, the Cowboys are not threatening that or saying he's not worth the money.

Any leverage Dallas has will likely be determined in camp by the play of Claiborne and Jones, so I don't know if anything will happen with Carr's contract until then.

0 guaranteed dollars and BJones is DAL's leverage.

They could cut Carr Sept 9th and he would get nothing. He would hope to sign with someone after Week1.

DAL doesn't need Carr's permission to restructure his deal. They would just do it.

This is about a pay cut or being cut.

 

[gimmesix]

The team wants to keep Carr - he's a good leader and serviceable.

But no one in this league believes that Carr is worth 8 mil. Carr and his agent know this.

He's not getting that on the open market. The team isn't saying publicly he isn't worth the money because that sort of crap is unnecessary, disrespectful, and creates really bad blood. Whether or not you say that to a player, when you ask him to take a paycut that is exactly what you are telling him.

The whole idea that we are going to restructure his deal is totally off. After this year we are totally out from under that giant deal. Why on earth would be paint ourselves into another corner?

We're not going to cut him, according to Jones. We are going to try to do something that will create cap relief for us and pluses for Carr, according to Jones.

Again, I don't know what that means, but I don't see paycut in either of those statements. I see Dallas trying to get creative in a way in a way that's beneficial to both Carr and the Cowboys. I absolutely don't know how Dallas can do that without an extension (other than guaranteeing him money from the two years left on his deal, which has base salaries of $8 million and $9 million), and I don't believe for a second that Dallas wants to extend him.

Let me know your thoughts on how Dallas can both lower his salary and provide him with incentives to do that without the threat of being cut.

 

[AbeBeta]

We're not going to cut him, according to Jones. We are going to try to do something that will create cap relief for us and pluses for Carr, according to Jones.

Again, I don't know what that means, but I don't see paycut in either of those statements. I see Dallas trying to get creative in a way in a way that's beneficial to both Carr and the Cowboys. I absolutely don't know how Dallas can do that without an extension (other than guaranteeing him money from the two years left on his deal, which has base salaries of $8 million and $9 million), and I don't believe for a second that Dallas wants to extend him.

Let me know your thoughts on how Dallas can both lower his salary and provide him with incentives to do that without the threat of being cut.

Exactly how we did it with Free. Cut remaining salary in half and guaranteed it. Pretty simple.