Jerry Jones on the defense

[Yakuza Rich]

I was glad to see Jerry said this, meaning he does not view us as married to any scheme. If the coaching staff he thinks is best runs a 3-4 let's run it, if he hires a 4-3 guy let's run it.......we should not be married to any scheme.

The thing about the 3-4 is if you have the personnel for it, you can also switch over to the 4-3 at times. Usually if you have 4-3 personnel, you can't play the 3-4 because your personnel is way too small.

There's other advantages to running the 3-4 from a personnel standpoint (plus we are the only team in the NFC East running the 3-4 and until the Niners actually convert, the only team in the NFC). But I'd like to see a HC explain to me how the 4-3 would be better and why we cannot run the 3-4.



YAKUZA

 

[superpunk]

If Bradie James is a problem (and I agree by the way), then how would going to the 4-3 help? You need a solid middle linebacker to make that work well. I don't think we have that.

Unless we play a Philly style, where Trotter is basically an extra lineman. Bradie could probably do that. He just really gets lost in coverage.

 

[Alexander]

Unless we play a Philly style, where Trotter is basically an extra lineman. Bradie could probably do that. He just really gets lost in coverage.

A middle linebacker has to cover at times. What I don't quite understand is that he looked like he forgot how to do that. Watch him in 2005 and coverage was his most improved skill. Any MLB can run downhill and make tackles if the line play is designed to funnel the run into that narrow box. A truly great MLB can do both.

 

[superpunk]

A middle linebacker has to cover at times. What I don't quite understand is that he looked like he forgot how to do that. Watch him in 2005 and coverage was his most improved skill. Any MLB can run downhill and make tackles if the line play is designed to funnel the run into that narrow box. A truly great MLB can do both.

Which is why Trotter sucked so hard away from Philly.

I agree, an all-round MLB would be better - and if we're going to the Tampa 2 under Rivera, shoot me now, because we'll get murdered down the middle. But, if James is part of the plan long-term, he either needs to get his head right, or beused one-dimensionally.

I hate players who "get it" in their contract year. Next up, Andre Gurode. Altho, he wasn't that hot.

 

[Seven]

This thread makes me want to drink.



More.

Edit: any chance you recorded that, theebs?

I've got the pills, Hitler specials. Let me know when you think you need it.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I guess I'm not as "down" on Jerry as many are here.

I find two major error's in Jerry's methods-- neither of which should be fatal for the current team...

1. There is no championship team to hold together-- This was by far Jerry's #1 problem-- trying to hold together the 90's championship club. Huge, huge problem but one I can certainly understand WHY he did what he did.

2. The drafting issue. I'm not convinced that Jerry is dumping Ireland or minimizing his input. I think people are way over-analyzing the Lacewell thing.

The bottom line is that Jerry is smarter than what most here give him credit for.

 

[Alexander]

I guess I'm not as "down" on Jerry as many are here.

Why on earth not? I am more negative on Mister Jones now because he seems to be reverting back to the idea that he believes he can spot talent. He cannot. It has been proven over and over again. He needed someone to question him and make him think. Not another nodding head pumping his fist alongside him as he made a mistake. I am not saying Coach Parcells or Jeff Ireland are perfect, but I do believe they kept him grounded. Now it sounds as if he will fly out of control again.

I find two major error's in Jerry's methods-- neither of which should be fatal for the current team...

1. There is no championship team to hold together-- This was by far Jerry's #1 problem-- trying to hold together the 90's championship club. Huge, huge problem but one I can certainly understand WHY he did what he did.


2. The drafting issue. I'm not convinced that Jerry is dumping Ireland or minimizing his input. I think people are way over-analyzing the Lacewell thing.

The bottom line is that Jerry is smarter than what most here give him credit for.

I hope you are correct about Jeff Ireland. But I did not care for Theebs comments and I would like to hear them for myself. If true, that's about as frightening a thing you could hear.

He's smarter as an owner. The smartest around. I cannot find much evidence that his talent analysis abilities are that sharp when he doesn't have another above average eye to help him.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The thing about the 3-4 is if you have the personnel for it, you can also switch over to the 4-3 at times. Usually if you have 4-3 personnel, you can't play the 3-4 because your personnel is way too small.

There's other advantages to running the 3-4 from a personnel standpoint (plus we are the only team in the NFC East running the 3-4 and until the Niners actually convert, the only team in the NFC). But I'd like to see a HC explain to me how the 4-3 would be better and why we cannot run the 3-4.



YAKUZA

Rich, the fact is that Spears and Canty will never become even average pass-rushers as DE's. Certainly not in the 3-4, which of course we do know is partially scheme related but I don't think in the 4-3 either-- not as DE's.

As DT's in the 4-3 I think they have a fighting chance.

Our second best pass-rusher on this club (not including the injured Ellis) is Hatcher-- And he needs to be out on the field.

I could easily see (and this isn't "pie-in-the-sky" stuff either)...

Ware getting 10 sacks as a 4-3 DE.
Hatcher getting 7 sacks as a 4-3 DE.

But here's the kicker...

I can see Canty/Ferguson/Spears chipping in with 8 sacks (total) from the DT position in a 4-3.

That's 25 already and I think I'm being pretty conservative with the number of sacks that Ware could get.

You add a few from Ratliff, Coleman, a returning Ellis plus a half-dozen from the linebackers and secondary and we're hitting 40 which is the most we've had in a very long time.

 

[Cbz40]

Rich, the fact is that Spears and Canty will never become even average pass-rushers as DE's. Certainly not in the 3-4, which of course we do know is partially scheme related but I don't think in the 4-3 either-- not as DE's.

As DT's in the 4-3 I think they have a fighting chance.

Our second best pass-rusher on this club (not including the injured Ellis) is Hatcher-- And he needs to be out on the field.

I could easily see (and this isn't "pie-in-the-sky" stuff either)...

Ware getting 10 sacks as a 4-3 DE.
Hatcher getting 7 sacks as a 4-3 DE.

But here's the kicker...

I can see Canty/Ferguson/Spears chipping in with 8 sacks (total) from the DT position in a 4-3.

That's 25 already and I think I'm being pretty conservative with the number of sacks that Ware could get.

You add a few from Ratliff, Coleman, a returning Ellis plus a half-dozen from the linebackers and secondary and we're hitting 40 which is the most we've had in a very long time.

Michael I concur with most of what you say but I also agree w/Alexander about the MLB position. As of now I don't see one on our team.

Unless we draft one or sign one off of FA that would be an enormous question mark if we go back to the 4/3.

 

[Alexander]

Rich, the fact is that Spears and Canty will never become even average pass-rushers as DE's. Certainly not in the 3-4, which of course we do know is partially scheme related but I don't think in the 4-3 either-- not as DE's.

As DT's in the 4-3 I think they have a fighting chance.

I think exactly the opposite, provided they get an aggressive version of the scheme similar to what San Diego uses. I don't believe either are any less talented than Igor Olshansky and Luis Castillo.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Michael I concur with most of what you say but I also agree w/Alexander about the MLB position. As of now I don't see one on our team.

Unless we draft one or sign one off of FA that would be an enormous question mark if we go back to the 4/3.

I think MLB is one of the easier positions to fill quite frankly. Personally I would move Akin there. He seemed to be a much better linebacker on the inside than Brady... even considering that he was moved to a new position.

 

[Deputy493]

Michael I concur with most of what you say but I also agree w/Alexander about the MLB position.

I think Akin could play MLB.

 

[big dog cowboy]

a returning Ellis

I will believe it when I see it.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think exactly the opposite, provided they get an aggressive version of the scheme similar to what San Diego uses. I don't believe either are any less talented than Igor Olshansky and Luis Castillo.

I think our NT is less talented than theirs... and that affects the production of the ends.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I will believe it when I see it.

I'm not counting on it either but I wouldn't be shocked to see him become a 3rd down specialist for this club.

 

[Q_the_man]

The Bears win 20-0 rivera will be coach

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not counting on it either but I wouldn't be shocked to see him become a 3rd down specialist for this club.

Spelling Ware and Carp with Ellis sounds like a good plan to me. I just hope that wasn't a cereer ending injury.

 

[theogt]

I think exactly the opposite, provided they get an aggressive version of the scheme similar to what San Diego uses. I don't believe either are any less talented than Igor Olshansky and Luis Castillo.

Agreed. Sadly, it looks like we'll never know.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

I bet Jerry and John Kerry are good buddies.

Can't be, only democrats can be called "Flip-Floppers"!:laugh2:

 

[CATCH17]

Its just so much easier to draft players who fit a 3-4 system and i'd really hate to see us go back to the 4-3.