Jerry Jones on the defense

[GoCowboysGo]

Sometimes you get what you ask for.

Many wanted Coach Parcells gone. Some at any cost.

Well, they received their wish.

I don't want to hear a single complaint out of any of them as many are the same fools who are completely puzzled why some do not realize Turner isn't a great choice for this team.

All the complaints about mediocrity during the Parcells era will be dwarfed by what we might receive with Jerry Jones spearheading the direction of the franchise again.

Good points, but Parcells was 2 games over .500. That is mediocre.

Jerruh as the main man in charge again, is truely depressing.

Another thing, this teams talent base is waaaaay overrated. Unfortunately

At least I have my SA Spurs, who are consistent winners!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Its just so much easier to draft players who fit a 3-4 system and i'd really hate to see us go back to the 4-3.

Please give me a "for instance"?

What position (that this defense needs) would be so much harder to draft if we were in a 4-3 as opposed to a 3-4?

 

[CATCH17]

Please give me a "for instance"?

What position (that this defense needs) would be so much harder to draft if we were in a 4-3 as opposed to a 3-4?

Pass rush specialists and thats the main thing.

Its hard to find guys who can go get the QB and all these guys coming out of college now days who are good pass rushers are more of the tweener type.

Its hard to find guys with Julius Peppers size and abilities.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Pass rush specialists and thats the main thing.

Its hard to find guys who can go get the QB and all these guys coming out of college now days who are good pass rushers are more of the tweener type.

Its hard to find guys with Julius Peppers size and abilities.

Ahh... we have one in Demarcus Ware.

We have a guy in Hatcher who shows terrific promise and is large enough to play on the strong-side in the 4-3.

What other position is difficult to "find" that this defense needs?

 

[CATCH17]

Ahh... we have one in Demarcus Ware.

We have a guy in Hatcher who shows terrific promise and is large enough to play on the strong-side in the 4-3.

What other position is difficult to "find" that this defense needs?

Ware has to show he can do it every down which im sure he can but I think by moving Demarcus Ware to playing strictly DE then we are minimizing his talents because he is such a good overall linebacker.

Hatcher looks like a good prospect but in no way am I sold on him. Had he been any kind of the threat Ellis was we wouldnt have had the same struggles down the stretch.

Its easier to generate a pass rush in a 3-4 system and I just think the 3-4 is a superb defense to the 4-3.

 

[blindzebra]

Scheme is unimportant...it's the right players and using them correctly in whatever scheme we are in.

In an ideal world, we'd be using both, IMO we have the players who can do it. What we have lacked was a head coach with the balls to deviate from his style long enough to use his players correctly. This is why I wanted Rex Ryan so bad...3-4, 4-3, 46 and nickel we'd be using them all.

As for Jerry bashing this years draft...I read that as a shot at Parcells.

We underused Carpenter.

We draft a second TE to protect Bledsoe, because he didn't have the sack to start the year with Romo.

We waste a pick on Green, when we already had better returners on the roster and found one ten times better in Austin.

I find it funny that the running joke about the Parcells drafts has been we will draft a TE and a bunch of picks for STs, but when Jerry points out that very thing it's *** is he smoking.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ware has to show he can do it every down which im sure he can but I think by moving Demarcus Ware to playing strictly DE then we are minimizing his talents because he is such a good overall linebacker.

Hatcher looks like a good prospect but in no way am I sold on him. Had he been any kind of the threat Ellis was we wouldnt have had the same struggles down the stretch.

Its easier to generate a pass rush in a 3-4 system and I just think the 3-4 is a superb defense to the 4-3.

"Minimizing Ware's talents?"

If you didn't notice that's what every team was doing to us down the stretch... they were forcing Ware into coverage responsibilities on the early downs. Heck other coaches aren't stupid they know Ware's best value is as a pass rusher and not trying to cover Brian Westbrook.

 

[theogt]

Please give me a "for instance"?

What position (that this defense needs) would be so much harder to draft if we were in a 4-3 as opposed to a 3-4?

The classic examples areguys like Jarvis Moss, LaMarr Woodley, and Anthony Spencer. Those guys would be top-notch talent as 3-4 OLBs and they can be had in late 1st and 2nd rounds. If they were all a little bigger they'd be much more costly as 4-3 DEs.

It's also easier to find 3-4 DEs. Most guys that fit the 3-4 DE role are a little big for 4-3 DE position and a too tall yet too light for the 4-3 DT position.

 

[CATCH17]

"Minimizing Ware's talents?"

If you didn't notice that's what every team was doing to us down the stretch... they were forcing Ware into coverage responsibilities on the early downs. Heck other coaches aren't stupid they know Ware's best value is as a pass rusher and not trying to cover Brian Westbrook.

I just think you can do a lot more with Demarcus Ware than line him up at RE.

Hes a unique player and with some creativity from a defensive playcaller I believe he would become even more dominant.

OLB gets the most out of Demarcus Wares talents.

 

[blindzebra]

I just think you can do a lot more with Demarcus Ware than line him up at RE.

Hes a unique player and with some creativity from a defensive playcaller I believe he would become even more dominant.

OLB gets the most out of Demarcus Wares talents.

Guess you've never heard of a zone blitz, huh?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't know why only a few of us want to see the 'boys use both schemes like we did the 1st half of '05

 

[gbrittain]

Sometimes you get what you ask for.

Many wanted Coach Parcells gone. Some at any cost.

Well, they received their wish.

I don't want to hear a single complaint out of any of them as many are the same fools who are completely puzzled why some do not realize Turner isn't a great choice for this team.

All the complaints about mediocrity during the Parcells era will be dwarfed by what we might receive with Jerry Jones spearheading the direction of the franchise again.

Oh the drama.

I do not want to hear any complaints out of you either. After all it is your "guy" that quit.

All of my wishing and opinions played no factor in Parcells quitting. It is a forum for expressing opinions and not a forum for exacting actual change.

Like I told another Parcells backer:

You will also never ever blame Norv for anything that goes wrong. Because we all know that players playing without emotion and completely falling on their faces is not a reflection on the coach. We know that when players do not play/execute well that it is the responsibility of the players and not the coach. We also know that if the offense or defense sucks that it is the coordinators fault and not the HC.

I think you will like whoever we hire quite well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Like I told another Parcells backer:

you know I'm sitting right here do you? and none of us are talking about Norv running the team on gameday, it's getting respect from his players and talent evaluation, 2 key abilities for a successful HC Norv has failed at utilizing

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The classic examples areguys like Jarvis Moss, LaMarr Woodley, and Anthony Spencer. Those guys would be top-notch talent as 3-4 OLBs and they can be had in late 1st and 2nd rounds. If they were all a little bigger they'd be much more costly as 4-3 DEs.

It's also easier to find 3-4 DEs. Most guys that fit the 3-4 DE role are a little big for 4-3 DE position and a too tall yet too light for the 4-3 DT position.

But at this point I think a convincing argument can be made that this defense has fewer "missing parts" as a 4-3 than it does as a 3-4-- and those missing parts as a 4-3 aren't the pieces that most consider to be "hard to find" when debating the 3-4 vs. 4-3 issue.

 

[CATCH17]

Guess you've never heard of a zone blitz, huh?

Actually I have and wish we did more of it like Pittsburgh does but Ware has shown the ability to line up on teams slot receivers as well and tottally destroy their timing.

We have one of the best Outside linebackers in the game who can do so many things and i'd hate to see us take away all of the versatility a guy like Ware gives us by just lining him up at RE.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But at this point I think a convincing argument can be made that this defense has fewer "missing parts" as a 4-3 than it does as a 3-4-- and those missing parts as a 4-3 aren't the pieces that most consider to be "hard to find" when debating the 3-4 vs. 4-3 issue.

we're not missing very many parts in the 3-4 either, in fact we have them minus another pass-rusher, they just need to play better

and being a 3-4 DE is the same as being a 4-3 DT, esp. a 4-3, 3-technique DT, which is where you want to put Spears and think he will have so much success at

 

[gbrittain]

you know I'm sitting right here do you? and none of us are talking about Norv running the team on gameday, it's getting respect from his players and talent evaluation, 2 key abilities for a successful HC Norv has failed at utilizing

If you think I am a huge Norv backer you are crazy. But everytime something did not go right it was never Parcells fault. Never.

Plus, like I said, in the end all of us that critical of Parcells had nothing to do with Parcells quitting. He did that all on his own.

Whatever plays out plays out. We are in for a new ride. Hopefully it is better than the Campo years, hopefully it is better than the Parcells years, or it could be worse. Who knows.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you think I am a huge Norv backer you are crazy. But everytime something did not go right it was never Parcells fault. Never.

it wasn't the player's fault either

 

[AdamJT13]

"You end up getting the same thing in the 3-4 that you get in the 4-3 at times," Jones said.

Gee, would those times be when you don't blitz anyone but the same linebacker from the same place, or when you go to a four-man line and don't blitz anyone else?

 

[CATCH17]

we're not missing very many parts in the 3-4 either, in fact we have them minus another pass-rusher, they just need to play better

and being a 3-4 DE is the same as being a 4-3 DT, esp. a 4-3, 3-technique DT

I think the biggest thing we were missing in the 3-4 is a guy who knows how to call plays with some creativity.

We were a top 10 defense for 12 weeks and teams caught on to our vanilla style and we refused to change.

It was so bad that not only were our own players complaining about it but players from other teams were making fun of how they knew exactly what we were going to do.