Jerry Jones open to trading 2016 first-rounder

[MichaelWinicki]

It's all conjecture at this point. How Randle, McFadden, Williams and Dunbar do cannot be projected with any degree of certainty. At least AP would arguably have a history of HOF numbers to base an opinion on.

I don't disagree with that point.

But the team would pay one heck of a price to secure Peterson's services between the cost in draft picks and the salary.

I think Chris Johnson could come in here get 250 carries, gain better than a 1,000 yards and average nearly the same YPC as what Murray did last season... And he probably wouldn't cost more than a mil or two.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We'll see how it turns out.

Zimmer: hi Jerry... So you are interested in giving up 1st rounder

Jerry: yup

Zimmer: ok I'll give you AP

Jerry: sips some blue..... I don't do dumb ship like that anymore... I was just playin

 

[AzorAhai]

It amazes me people know, not think, but know AP is still a great RB. It is simply too big of a risk to trade a 1st for AP. I would be willing to part with a premium pick if he was playing for cheap. 4 million/yr? Of course. Trade a 4th for AP and pay him 8-10m/yr? I would do that as well. I'm not willing to do both. Trading a 1st and paying him 8-10m with a boatload of guaranteed money is not smart. It's going to cost your 1st rd pick and quite possibly eliminate Hardy as a re-sign candidate right now. So now you're losing 5 years of cheap control for the draft pick, and any flexibility to re-sign a top 5 26 year old de.

If anyone could guarantee that the Cowboys will win the SB if they trade for AP of course every fan would take it. It's not as simple as that and never will be. What if Romo gets hurt again early in the season? Well now you've traded away a likely to be really high 1st rd pick, have another year older AP and lose Hardy. There's to many variables to take this gamble. I will always be partial to trying to maximize the ability to win now, but without affecting the ability to win later.

/Flame Away

 

[AZ_Cowboys_Fan]

It amazes me people know, not think, but know AP is still a great RB. It is simply too big of a risk to trade a 1st for AP. I would be willing to part with a premium pick if he was playing for cheap. 4 million/yr? Of course. Trade a 4th for AP and pay him 8-10m/yr? I would do that as well. I'm not willing to do both. Trading a 1st and paying him 8-10m with a boatload of guaranteed money is not smart. It's going to cost your 1st rd pick and quite possibly eliminate Hardy as a re-sign candidate right now. So now you're losing 5 years of cheap control for the draft pick, and any flexibility to re-sign a top 5 26 year old de.

If anyone could guarantee that the Cowboys will win the SB if they trade for AP of course every fan would take it. It's not as simple as that and never will be. What if Romo gets hurt again early in the season? Well now you've traded away a likely to be really high 1st rd pick, have another year older AP and lose Hardy. There's to many variables to take this gamble. I will always be partial to trying to maximize the ability to win now, but without affecting the ability to win later.

/Flame Away

There's never any guarantees and Romo could go down on any play. However, we've assembled the best offensive line in the NFL to keep him upright. It's also an offensive line that would potentially give AP a chance at breaking the NFL single season rushing record and winning a SB or two in the process. Our 1st round pick will probably be at the end of the round. I'll take that risk when you consider we just added three 1st round talents to our roster.

 

[dallasdave]

It's all conjecture at this point. How Randle, McFadden, Williams and Dunbar do cannot be projected with any degree of certainty. At least AP would arguably have a history of HOF numbers to base an opinion on.

Yes, Yes, Yes, yes,yes, ............

 

[dallasdave]

There's never any guarantees and Romo could go down on any play. However, we've assembled the best offensive line in the NFL to keep him upright. It's also an offensive line that would potentially give AP a chance at breaking the NFL single season rushing record and winning a SB or two in the process. Our 1st round pick will probably be at the end of the round. I'll take that risk when you consider we just added three 1st round talents to our roster.

I love this idea..

 

[AzorAhai]

There's never any guarantees and Romo could go down on any play. However, we've assembled the best offensive line in the NFL to keep him upright. It's also an offensive line that would potentially give AP a chance at breaking the NFL single season rushing record and winning a SB or two in the process. Our 1st round pick will probably be at the end of the round. I'll take that risk when you consider we just added three 1st round talents to our roster.

Not trading a 1st for AP guarantees we have a day 1 pick in 2016 and guarantees the flexibility to re-sign a more premium position player in Hardy if they choose to. Thats a whole lot more guarantees than getting AP gives you.

 

[Sinister]

These threads are hilarious...

Last year at this time everyone was projecting a 5 to 7 win season...

This year all the Cowboys need is Adrian "Santa Claus" Peterson to come down the chimney and hand the Cowboys a Super Bowl...

 

[Beast_from_East]

Good points on both sides guys.

Looks like there are two camps here...................one camp says it is all the oline and it doesn't matter who the RB is...........the other camp says that the RB matters just as much as the oline does.

As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle............you need a good oline and a good RB (doesn't have to be great, just good).

So the big debate should be, is McFadden and Randle good enough? The answer to this question will have a significant influence on our season record this year.

 

[BAT]

Good points on both sides guys.

Looks like there are two camps here...................one camp says it is all the oline and it doesn't matter who the RB is...........the other camp says that the RB matters just as much as the oline does.

As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle............you need a good oline and a good RB (doesn't have to be great, just good).

So the big debate should be, is McFadden and Randle good enough? The answer to this question will have a significant influence on our season record this year.

But having 2 greats would be even better. If the Cowboys draft another player like Byron Jones next year, is that better than an aging Adrian Peterson? No one even knows if Jones will bust or not (even universally lauded and higher pick like Mo can bust). No way Peterson will bust. Especially behind our OL. Even at age 30.

 

[Beast_from_East]

But having 2 greats would be even better. If the Cowboys draft another player like Byron Jones next year, is that better than an aging Adrian Peterson? No one even knows if Jones will bust or not (even universally lauded and higher pick like Mo can bust). No way Peterson will bust. Especially behind our OL. Even at age 30.

You make a very good point.

 

[esloan]

Good points on both sides guys.

Looks like there are two camps here...................one camp says it is all the oline and it doesn't matter who the RB is...........the other camp says that the RB matters just as much as the oline does.

As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle............you need a good oline and a good RB (doesn't have to be great, just good).

So the big debate should be, is McFadden and Randle good enough? The answer to this question will have a significant influence on our season record this year.

I don't think the camp that is against AP feels that way at all. It is not that we feel it does not matter who the RB is, most of us are not trying to make that point at all. Heck, I bet most of us would love to have AP here, if the price was right. The problem is, the price almost certainly will not be right.

Giving up a high draft pick and having to pay a premium salary for AP is just a non-starter for many of us. If he came here for a late round pick or his salary was significantly reduced, I think most of us would be on board. The problem is, it simply does not look like he will come here under those conditions.

 

[AzorAhai]

Good points on both sides guys.

Looks like there are two camps here...................one camp says it is all the oline and it doesn't matter who the RB is...........the other camp says that the RB matters just as much as the oline does.

As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle............you need a good oline and a good RB (doesn't have to be great, just good).

So the big debate should be, is McFadden and Randle good enough? The answer to this question will have a significant influence on our season record this year.

Thats probably the most realistic take. I by no means think a great OL means you can stick a bad RB in and expect good results. All things being equal you would like to be great at both. It always comes down to the same thing though. What is the acquisition cost vs expected benefits. I can understand why people want AP, I really do. If I knew he was the AP of 4-5 years ago, I would not hesitate to give up that 1st rd pick. It's the unknown of what we would be getting that scares me off and I'm guessing thats what the anti AP trade group are most concerned with. The trade could potentially be great. It could also be horrible. If the RBBC we use this year can average 4.2-4.4 ypc and get 1600-1800 yds I will be perfectly content with that and I think with good health and a commitment to the run its very doable.

 

[AzorAhai]

But having 2 greats would be even better. If the Cowboys draft another player like Byron Jones next year, is that better than an aging Adrian Peterson? No one even knows if Jones will bust or not (even universally lauded and higher pick like Mo can bust). No way Peterson will bust. Especially behind our OL. Even at age 30.

You don't know that. It is purely speculative to say he won't bust. The same can be said for saying he won't be worth it. It's a guessing game. The difference is if a 1st Rd pick busts, thats all your losing. If AP busts, you lose the pick and most likely a premium player like Hardy or Crawford.

 

[esloan]

Thats probably the most realistic take. I by no means think a great OL means you can stick a bad RB in and expect good results. All things being equal you would like to be great at both. It always comes down to the same thing though. What is the acquisition cost vs expected benefits. I can understand why people want AP, I really do. If I knew he was the AP of 4-5 years ago, I would not hesitate to give up that 1st rd pick. It's the unknown of what we would be getting that scares me off and I'm guessing thats what the anti AP trade group are most concerned with. The trade could potentially be great. It could also be horrible. If the RBBC we use this year can average 4.2-4.4 ypc and get 1600-1800 yds I will be perfectly content with that and I think with good health and a commitment to the run its very doable.

If I were a betting man, I would say AP is probably going to be a very good back this year. And, if he were behind this line, I think he would probably be phenomenal. But, I still am not of the mind of spending a premium draft pick and paying that salary. While I would love to see him run behind this line, it scares me to think that we could lose a good pick next year and be unable to sign Hardy or Bryant or one of our lineman down the road because of what we have invested in a 30+ year old RB. That scares the hell out of me. The NFL, in the end, is a young man's game and you do not win by paying age.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

These threads are hilarious...

Last year at this time everyone was projecting a 5 to 7 win season...

This year all the Cowboys need is Adrian "Santa Claus" Peterson to come down the chimney and hand the Cowboys a Super Bowl...

When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do sir?

 

[BAT]

You don't know that. It is purely speculative to say he won't bust. The same can be said for saying he won't be worth it. It's a guessing game. The difference is if a 1st Rd pick busts, thats all your losing. If AP busts, you lose the pick and most likely a premium player like Hardy or Crawford.

I'd be willing to place a wager that Peterson will have better 2 years than our current first round pick AND whoever Cowboys select in first next season. Wherever Peterson plays, never mind behind our OL.

 

[Sinister]

When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do sir?

“Facts are facts and will not disappear on account of your likes.”
― Jawaharlal Nehru

 

[AzorAhai]

I'd be willing to place a wager that Peterson will have better 2 years than our current first round pick AND whoever Cowboys select in first next season. Wherever Peterson plays, never mind behind our OL.

The next 2 years of rookie play is irrelevant. Will his next 2 years be better than the 1st RD picks careers, plus whatever Hardy does if he's re-signed? Because thats what its costing you to trade for him.

 

[BAT]

The next 2 years of rookie play is irrelevant. Will his next 2 years be better than the 1st RD picks careers, plus whatever Hardy does if he's re-signed? Because thats what its costing you to trade for him.

You don't know what the cost is anymore than I do. Contracts can be re-worked if Cowboys want to re-sign Hardy. And Dez will be a Cowboy for the best part of his career at the very least. The jones' aren't letting him go anywhere, Peterson or no Peterson.