Jerry Jones: Wade Phillips is one of the 'best talent evaluators'

[Hoofbite]

Dallas currently has a player on the roster who got his spot based on a reality TV series.

Enough said.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dallas currently has a player on the roster who got his spot based on a reality TV series.

Enough said.

He got a chance to go to camp based off that then had to make it through training camp which was not guaranteed

 

[Hoofbite]

He got a chance to go to camp based off that then had to make it through training camp which was not guaranteed

Yeah.

I don't really care enough either way to argue who is the better talent evaluator. You could always bring up players either way. Allen Rossum was good for what? 1 play? Parcells had some duds.

I just know that there isn't a chance in hell that Jesse Holley makes the team under Parcells. Based on general principle, Holley would not be a Cowboy.

 

[zrinkill]

Wade Phillips is one of the 'best talent evaluators'

I agree

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah.

I have seen guys who were nothing but walk ups to different teams camps try out and end up making teams. Bill Bates was one of them major long shot who made the team. Houston several years back had a garbage man tried out and make the team during the Glanville era.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah.

I don't really care enough either way to argue who is the better talent evaluator. You could always bring up players either way. Allen Rossum was good for what? 1 play? Parcells had some duds.

I just know that there isn't a chance in hell that Jesse Holley makes the team under Parcells. Based on general principle, Holley would not be a Cowboy.

I agree there are guys who have not made it for both but for a change it is nice to see some in the media recognize what Wade is doing instead of constantly bashing him and acting like he is nothing but Jerry puppet. BP was good but for us but was far from the football god that some around claim

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Do we really have to sit here and name EVERY player from the Parcells era that contributes at a high level? Its more than half the roster. Austin, Witten, Ratliff, Ware, Barber, Gurode, Romo, etc. He was part of turning down Sean Payton when he offered a draft pick for Romo. And if Parcells gets crap for starting Bledsoe/Testy, than how come we dont award him Romo? To be fair Parcells pulled to trigger to start him, and Parcells kept him on the roster all those years for a reason.

 

[Alexander]

Dallas currently has a player on the roster who got his spot based on a reality TV series.

Enough said.

Jessie Holley being on the roster has nothing to do with Wade Phillips.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I saw 20 replies to this thread and wondered what was going on.

Then I saw the word Parcells and instantly knew.

 

[Doomsday101]

Do we really have to sit here and name EVERY player from the Parcells era that contributes at a high level? Its more than half the roster. Austin, Witten, Ratliff, Ware, Barber, Gurode, Romo, etc. He was part of turning down Sean Payton when he offered a draft pick for Romo. And if Parcells gets crap for starting Bledsoe/Testy, than how come we dont award him Romo? To be fair Parcells pulled to trigger to start him, and Parcells kept him on the roster all those years for a reason.

They were talking FA not draft picks

 

[zrinkill]

I saw 20 replies to this thread and wondered what was going on.

Then I saw the word Parcells and instantly knew.

:laugh2:

The word Holley added at least 2 pages too it.

 

[CCBoy]

I think you are hallucinating.

Just like your opinion on topic...nothing is there. And drugs can't begin to describe THAT desparity. Try another excuse in abstract or just your return to ignoring subject taking it directly to YOUR opinion on SOMETHING unrelated? :starspin

If you can't follow direction of comparisons, stick to braile or sinility. Which ever you find easier to relate with.

I guess you loved the Hambrick Brothers....

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

They were talking FA not draft picks

Well if were talking Parcells guys and Wades guys... I like how the conversation has to be restricted to a certain group just so we can try to put a bigger shadow on Parcells.

Whatever, I give Parcells credit for actually spinning the team in the right direction after Campo.

 

[Hoofbite]

Jessie Holley being on the roster has nothing to do with Wade Phillips.

I suspect as much. I still don't think he would be in Dallas if Parcells was.

 

[theebs]

Just like your opinion on topic...nothing is there. And drugs can't begin to describe THAT desparity. Try another excuse in abstract or just your return to ignoring subject taking it directly to YOUR opinion on SOMETHING unrelated? :starspin

If you can't follow direction of comparisons, stick to braile or sinility. Which ever you find easier to relate with.

I guess you loved the Hambrick Brothers....

what kind of nonsense is this? Are you confused or something. He didnt bring in either. He was stuck with basically nothing at rb his first season here, he immediately removed troy hambrick before the 04 season.

and darren hambrick never played for parcells.

again, he was not responsible for either, but it says alot about him that he got a good deal of production out of troy hambrick, enough to get to the playoffs.

Are you going to stick ryan leaf on him next?

 

[CowboyMike]

"A lot of guys bring a bunch of guys in from where they were, and they're not as good as the guys there in some cases," Phillips said. "I think you send the wrong message sometimes [by doing that]. Everybody earns their way. See how they do. Then if we need to replace people, we will."

This was my main problem with Parcells. He brought in his guys that weren't necessarily better than what he already had or some of the alternatives that were available. He was stubborn about it. And he often didn't give one of his "non-guys" a chance to prove themselves.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well if were talking Parcells guys and Wades guys... I like how the conversation has to be restricted to a certain group just so we can try to put a bigger shadow on Parcells.

Whatever, I give Parcells credit for actually spinning the team in the right direction after Campo.

As do I. I think BP was the perfect man for the job. What I'm sick of is the BS Wade has to put up with and all the puppet talk and he is nothing but a DC. That is a load of BS made up by people who are interested in 1 thing blasting Wade at every turn because they wanted someone else as HC so instead of giving credit they give it to others and bad mouth Wade. Wade has done a damn good job and deserves better treatment than he gets. I don't know of any other HC who in 3 years has produced 13-3, 9-7 and 11-5 get slammed the way Wade has been

 

[CowboyMike]

As do I. I think BP was the perfect man for the job. What I'm sick of is the BS Wade has to put up with and all the puppet talk and he is nothing but a DC. That is a load of BS made up by people who are interested in 1 thing blasting Wase at every turn because they wanted someone else as HC so instead of giving credit they give it to others and bad mouth Wade. Wade has done a damn good job and deserves better treatment than he gets. I don't know of any other HC who in 3 years has produced 13-3, 9-7 and 11-5 get slammed the way Wade has been

Amen.

 

[CCBoy]

what kind of nonsense is this? Are you confused or something. He didnt bring in either. He was stuck with basically nothing at rb his first season here, he immediately removed troy hambrick before the 04 season.

and darren hambrick never played for parcells.

again, he was not responsible for either, but it says alot about him that he got a good deal of production out of troy hambrick, enough to get to the playoffs.

Are you going to stick ryan leaf on him next?

Darren begat Troy...and Bill started 'grass trip' Hambone for a whole season. He went through a draft, and excactly WHO was his backup...that is finding relevance and not JUST trying to explain something away with a misdirected comparison. Maybe you instead of saying Wade had no relevance in evaluations, might really define the free agent comparison in discussion with the initiating post...as Parcells was just used in reference to a generalized view. Parcells stunk in and around the secondary as well as the offensive line. Those alone spelled doom for the Cowboys. Now point out the same for Wade....

 

[theebs]

This was my main problem with Parcells. He brought in his guys that weren't necessarily better than what he already had or some of the alternatives that were available. He was stubborn about it. And he often didn't give one of his "non-guys" a chance to prove themselves.

just out of curiosity can you give me an example of this? Cause I dont recall anyone being held back by a "parcells guy" which by the way is a made up term by the dallas media.

The only time I ever felt like someone was being held back was Patrick crayton in 2004, after he made a few mistakes early in the year parcells deactivated him for a couple of weeks and made dedric ward active. I guess he was teaching him a lesson, similar to what wade phillips did this year with kevin ogletree.

Other than that though I cant remember a time where we had a player who was being held back, the other players that I can think of that came here that were just fill ins because the roster was so poor and we had injuries were Chad eaton, marcellus wiley and eddie george....but they werent taking snaps from anyone who was going to do anything with them.

SO again, I cant think of a single time oustide of ward/crayton where a so called parcells guy took snaps from a young up and coming player.

I can think of the opposite though, where bradie james never got on the field for regular snaps in 03 and then most of 04 because he was behind coakley.
Its just another myth in the hate for parcells and his new jersey background.