Jerry Jones: Wade Phillips is one of the 'best talent evaluators'

[theebs]

We further developed Tony Romo instead of throwing him to the wolves and having his confidence shattered. I would not call that nothing.

I too experienced frustration back then. It did not make sense, but we were thinking like fans and not football coaches. But Coach Parcells did it the right way in retrospect.

Even more than that, he played henson against baltimore and then the first half against chicago...It was a nightmare.

That first half against chicago was like a science experiment with the fans at the stadium. All I heard for weeks in the stadium was how henson is this and henson is that and how parcells should be fired for not playing henson. When I would turn my radio on both stations were saying its time to play henson and he needs to play. All the local experts wanted parcells fired for being to stupid to not play henson.

So in the pregame of that thanksgiving game these obnoxious people that sat behind me were having a good time and yelling for testaverde to be released and how that day was a new day in cowboys history and how henson was the GUY.....

well at halftime these same people were yelling for Romo to get in the game.

People treated testaverde so poorly here and it started in the media, they were very careless in what they said and how they acted and then the mob followed suit.

I can only imagine how much vinny testaverde hates the city of Dallas and the media and fans here. His kids were treated horrendously at school and all for what? Drew Henson to get some snaps. Ridiculous.

 

[theebs]

No, what you DON'T understand is I have nothing against Parcells in a comparitive nature. The difference comes along when a strength is pointed out in Wade, player evaluations, and it is shoveled underneath the table with some substituted abstract OF Parcells worship. Fact is, Bill did a luke warm job in Dallas, but enforced his self supportive nature of discipline. That in itself, reinforces discipline, but stifles some aspects needed during a developing period in the NFL.

You substitute argument of specifics, to redefine your own sense of credability of a direct comparison of career achievements. Career doesn't even apply to time WITH Dallas. Parcells failed with Dallas, but still retained the respect of being a good coach. He was NOT a killer GM with Dallas, and his 'leadership' of player acquisitions hit on some, and missed in MANY of his own value priorities AT the head of player acquisitions.

Too much of Parcells efforts at Dallas evolved around priviledge granting. Bill became probably TOO dependent upon personality return types around him. Payton did will taking principals and applying them himself upon his departure from the Dallas group then. We shall see how the current Miami refuge of a newly collected group of former Cowboy but now Parcells' guys.

That has little to do with the storyline involved around personnel identifications and utilization by Wade Phillips. Wade stands on strong merit here. His team HAS produced, and the Dallas experience validates this perspective.

That, although, has NOTHING to do with a Parcells worship, hatred, or even a comparison to your feelings concerning both.

good grief.

:bang2:

like I said, I am sorry i responded to you...nevermind...

 

[CCBoy]

OMG.

Nevermind. I am sorry I responded to you at all.

That shows little thickness in skin, which was your direction to begin with.

Bill ran off both Larry Allen and Emmitt Smith when he had a need for running back, and then started the likes of Pettiti at tackle.

That ironic humor is undigestible to yourself only goes to the attitude from which you toss around concepts to begin with. Then you feign an impugnant disgust...get into the conversation on topic, first.

 

[CowboyMike]

We further developed Tony Romo instead of throwing him to the wolves and having his confidence shattered. I would not call that nothing.

I too experienced frustration back then. It did not make sense, but we were thinking like fans and not football coaches. But Coach Parcells did it the right way in retrospect.

You could also argue that he might have ruined Henson by pulling him in the second half of that game. And we were winning. I'm not a Henson defender, but it is a possibility he might have been decent with a more fair shot elsewhere.

I don't think many other coaches would have done the same thing Parcells did.

 

[CCBoy]

good grief.

:bang2:

like I said, I am sorry i responded to you...nevermind...

...maybe an issuing of toilet paper might be closer to the sincerity, and continued offering of an apology, instead of discussion.

Why don't you just go ahead and offer another you are just so sorry?

Certainly showed you can't handle the wrong descriptive side of high ground...especially when it isn't defended by yourself.

 

[CowboyMike]

EDIT: Sorry. Delete post please. I quoted the wrong post. Lack of coffee again.

 

[CCBoy]

Even more than that, he played henson against baltimore and then the first half against chicago...It was a nightmare.

That first half against chicago was like a science experiment with the fans at the stadium. All I heard for weeks in the stadium was how henson is this and henson is that and how parcells should be fired for not playing henson. When I would turn my radio on both stations were saying its time to play henson and he needs to play. All the local experts wanted parcells fired for being to stupid to not play henson.

So in the pregame of that thanksgiving game these obnoxious people that sat behind me were having a good time and yelling for testaverde to be released and how that day was a new day in cowboys history and how henson was the GUY.....

well at halftime these same people were yelling for Romo to get in the game.

People treated testaverde so poorly here and it started in the media, they were very careless in what they said and how they acted and then the mob followed suit.

I can only imagine how much vinny testaverde hates the city of Dallas and the media and fans here. His kids were treated horrendously at school and all for what? Drew Henson to get some snaps. Ridiculous.

No, on the contrary, despite his age, Testaverde was defended by many Cowboy fans. Appreciative that the quarterback ground zero starting prior to his arrival had been cleared out.

That doesn't have much to do with the current contributions going on at Valley Ranch with Wade Phillips and the continued GM, Jerry Jones. The personnel group, after year two of the departure of Bill Parcells, has moved on...so should your reverence to Bill the Hall of Famer, and the current status of the Dallas Cowboy franchise. The franchise itself has not been dwarfed by his departure.

 

[Alexander]

You could also argue that he might have ruined Henson by pulling him in the second half of that game.

There was not much to ruin with Henson. Mentally, he was not tough enough. And if you recall, we still had an outside shot at the playoffs (which did not end until weeks later) at that time. It was Thanksgiving. Hardly a time to throw in the towel. He wanted to win that game. And thanks to inserting Testeverde, he did.

If you want to nitpick, then not starting Henson in the final game of the season against the Giants was a confidence buster. It is easy to speculate that he "ruined" Henson, but if you look at his complete lack of success anywhere thereafter, including Europe of all places, it is clear you are claiming he ruined someone that was, to be blunt, not nearly as great as he was touted to be.

 

[theebs]

That shows little thickness in skin, which was your direction to begin with.

Bill ran off both Larry Allen and Emmitt Smith when he had a need for running back, and then started the likes of Pettiti at tackle.

That ironic humor is undigestible to yourself only goes to the attitude from which you toss around concepts to begin with. Then you feign an impugnant disgust...get into the conversation on topic, first.

Umm. Larry allen was out of shape and treated like royalty, a new foundation was being put in place and everyone had to fall in line....allen along with gurode and adams were whipped into shape and were not treated gently in the process. They all responded with good results. Allen played 3 good seasons with parcells before his cap and age became too much, much like flozell adams is facing now.

and emmitt, do you realize how much money he was making. And its two fold with emmitt, no one loves emmitt more than me...I think he is one of the 10 greatest players to ever play....but he had that same attitude at that point from all the years of dysfunction and losing. He had to be released there was no other way.

ANd how am I offtopic....you and gerry fraley are bagging on richie anderson which is crazy and then blaming parcells for troy hambrick which is totally insane.

as for playing guys like petitti that is what happens when you are handed a terrible roster and have to take your time building it. Pettiti played well in camp and then well in the early part of the year. Torrin Tucker was the other backup and petitti outplayed him, then flozell adams went to IR in october after getting injured against the giants in 05, tucker was forced to play left tackle. Pettiti's play slipped late in the year and then he was injured and was playing through that. I have a hunch that had adams stayed healthy in 05 tucker would have played the last 6 games or so at right tackle.

Again, calling him out for pettiti is insane. Poor drafts and a lack of talent dealt this team a tough hand. You cant fix everything at once.

and the correct way to bag on parcells for pettiti or the right tackle problem is to bring jacob rogers into it, which is on parcells and that is a mistake that cost us two years of problems at tackle and a wasted 2nd round pick.

The irony here is that parcells corrected his own mistake by signing marc columbo in 05 and then in turn inserting him into the lineup in 06 where he has been ever since.

If your going to try and be a smartbutt in your response, use some facts, go watch some games.....then get back to me.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't care to get involved in an endless debate over Wade vs. Bill. I just want to say one thing.

FOBs = "Friends of Bill" is just way cooler to say than FOWs = "Friends of Wade."

The guy is a FOB. See how that rolls off the tongue.

The guy is a FOW. Nothing. Maybe if Wade's middle name was Lee instead of Allen.

The guy is a FOWL. Yeah, that has wings. Pun intended. Too bad his folks screwed up his name.

Pretty sure the 12 Step people have "Friends of Bill" protected as one of their little sayings. (Not really but that's one of their big ones)

You could go FOMB.

"Friends of Man Boobs"

 

[Alexander]

Then you feign an impugnant disgust...get into the conversation on topic, first.

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/impugnant

I think we should have LeotisBrown involved here. Perhaps then your butchering of the english language might at least have some comedic value.

 

[theebs]

No, on the contrary, despite his age, Testaverde was defended by many Cowboy fans. Appreciative that the quarterback ground zero starting prior to his arrival had been cleared out.

That doesn't have much to do with the current contributions going on at Valley Ranch with Wade Phillips and the continued GM, Jerry Jones. The personnel group, after year two of the departure of Bill Parcells, has moved on...so should your reverence to Bill the Hall of Famer, and the current status of the Dallas Cowboy franchise. The franchise itself has not been dwarfed by his departure.

are you not reading what I am writing? I like wade and I like what we have been doing, I love him building the defense.

Every teams front office is structured by the general manager and the head coach. Each one has different philosophies and they need the players to utilize their approach.

Bill had his style and his approach and he looked for guys to utilize in it, like stephen peterman who he believed could be the big bullying style guard that he liked...the guy got injured was never right and was released but has been a starter in detroit ever since.....

Everyone needs their own style of players.

The biggest difference that shows this, is how wade and bill both differently viewed the strongside linebacker position in a 3-4 defense.

as brian broaddus has said on with dcfanatics terrific show....Bill always told the scouts and the front office get me a strong side linebacker that can hold up the tight end and we will control the running game...He wanted a linebacker to tie things up over there and force it back inside.

Wade in the summer 08 said in a pc one day that carpenter is not a 3-4 strongside linebacker because he can not hold up and penetrate. Wade wants both his olb to attack....

Its a philosophical difference. You cant say one is right or wrong because they both independtly fit what the defense calls for.

and this is why I like Wade in the role he is in now, he is getting his guys that can succeed in his style in the draft...That is a great thing. Wade teaching young defensive players, particularly pass rushers is a fantastic plus for this organziation.

All this is also a reason I dont see jerry as a failure like many do....I dislike many of the things jerry will do in marketing and his nature in taking in risky players......but......

Jerry allows the head coach to structure the front office to do the best job in finding the best players that fit what the head coach is looking for.....I believe that is why we turned into a good franchise again with parcells and we are certainly in a good spot with wade right now.

So again, I cant say it more clearly, I like wade and I am extremely happy he is here to build this defense...this is his defense, not parcells and there is no two ways about it...and it is sure fun to watch and root for.

 

[Nightshade]

Before Parcells this team was languishing in a losing culture filled with questionably talented players that Jerry had brought in to try to turn the team around.

Parcells turned this team around DESPITE Jerry's influence. We're all extremely lucky that Jerry had Parcells around to learn from. It's Jerry's arrogance that brought in high profile free agents like Tank, T.O. and Pacman. He ignored the lessons of the Parcells era regarding the value of character + talent equals a winner when he brought those guys in and had to go back to the foundation that Parcells established by cutting those distractions.

Wade's presence here is a result of Parcells influence on Jerry and the organization. He realized the value of a tenured NFL Football mind. That he couldn't just hire "anyone" to coach the team like he said he could when he fired Jimmy Johnnson.

I'll never forget the Gailey/Campo years when there was so little hope. I'm ecstatic that Jerry finally brought Parcells in to change the direction of the team and ecstatic that he brought Wade in to keep it going in the right direction.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't care to get involved in an endless debate over Wade vs. Bill. I just want to say one thing.

FOBs = "Friends of Bill" is just way cooler to say than FOWs = "Friends of Wade."

The guy is a FOB. See how that rolls off the tongue.

The guy is a FOW. Nothing. Maybe if Wade's middle name was Lee instead of Allen.

The guy is a FOWL. Yeah, that has wings. Pun intended. Too bad his folks screwed up his name.

Parcell's folks called him Duane.

 

[Chief]

I've been saying this for awhile now. This is one of Wade's strengths.

I wasn't real sure, until I saw the emergence of Spencer and Jenkins this year. Also, look at how his defensive FA pickups worked out.

I would like to see him in the Dallas war room after his coaching career ends.

 

[CCBoy]

Umm. Larry allen was out of shape and treated like royalty, a new foundation was being put in place and everyone had to fall in line....allen along with gurode and adams were whipped into shape and were not treated gently in the process. They all responded with good results. Allen played 3 good seasons with parcells before his cap and age became too much, much like flozell adams is facing now.

and emmitt, do you realize how much money he was making. And its two fold with emmitt, no one loves emmitt more than me...I think he is one of the 10 greatest players to ever play....but he had that same attitude at that point from all the years of dysfunction and losing. He had to be released there was no other way.

ANd how am I offtopic....you and gerry fraley are bagging on richie anderson which is crazy and then blaming parcells for troy hambrick which is totally insane.

as for playing guys like petitti that is what happens when you are handed a terrible roster and have to take your time building it. Pettiti played well in camp and then well in the early part of the year. Torrin Tucker was the other backup and petitti outplayed him, then flozell adams went to IR in october after getting injured against the giants in 05, tucker was forced to play left tackle. Pettiti's play slipped late in the year and then he was injured and was playing through that. I have a hunch that had adams stayed healthy in 05 tucker would have played the last 6 games or so at right tackle.

Again, calling him out for pettiti is insane. Poor drafts and a lack of talent dealt this team a tough hand. You cant fix everything at once.

and the correct way to bag on parcells for pettiti or the right tackle problem is to bring jacob rogers into it, which is on parcells and that is a mistake that cost us two years of problems at tackle and a wasted 2nd round pick.

The irony here is that parcells corrected his own mistake by signing marc columbo in 05 and then in turn inserting him into the lineup in 06 where he has been ever since.

If your going to try and be a smartbutt in your response, use some facts, go watch some games.....then get back to me.

You need a timeout corner from which to collect and not spout out emotion looking for a target.

For starter, Ace, I was sitting in the Alamodome, when Bill Parcells walked onto the practice field for the very FIRST Cowboy practice Bill's FIRST season with Dallas. He walked right by myself and my wife, onto the field that first day...

Larry Allen was injured, and if Bill wasn't SO dependent upon a contribution at the talent level of him, then he might have UNDERSTOOD that Larry was badly injured and it took almost a year and a half of reconditioning and healing to return to realistic levels of his skill sets.

Get YOUR starting premise of his 'limitations' correct first. Pride in such a person as Larry Allen was an important ingredient, and Bill graded upon that aspect.

That Bill brought in a well paid but more injured 'Bill' offensive tackle, only paved the way, once Bill sent the remaining talent of Larry Allen and Emmitt Smith and huge cap deficits away. This caused Bill to gamble his own version of a racing form on such talent as Petitti.

Bill sent Houck packing and coached 'his' talent up...just where did it go?

YOU talked about Tony Romo. Well, the quarterback coach that worked and remade the physical skills IN Tony, went on when Bill departed, but MUCH MORE - than Bill was at work ON Tony?

If you had NOT noticed, the skill sets of Tony have been improved well BEYOND those skillsets left in him when Bill departed.

You seem to credit Bill with all current developments with Dallas players...

yet Bill took most of 'his' coaching staff on with him, WITH Dallas blessings. THEN, the players left behind were taken to GREATER levels of play.

Now just HOW could that be? Well, they were coached up by NON Parcells coaching, and deserve the credit for it.

Did DeMarcus Ware have his greatest days UNDER Bill, or after he departed? How come?

Let's see who Bill wanted at the tops of his drafts:

Marcus Spears, Julius Jones, Bobby Carpenter, 'ol 'what's his name' USC offensive tackle....you awed yet?

As to Anderson, please, he was so far out of fuel that he put up a sail to get going. Enough said for a future 'coach' who around a sporting venue got arrested for what? Another 'drug' related situation...no, didn't EVEN go there.
Get YOUR comparisons in a resemblance to what WAS presented...ooops, like you care.

 

[Woods]

I've been saying this for awhile now. This is one of Wade's strengths.

I wasn't real sure, until I saw the emergence of Spencer and Jenkins this year. Also, look at how his defensive FA pickups worked out.

I would like to see him in the Dallas war room after his coaching career ends.

ditto. i think he's doing well in the scouting department for sure. many more winners than losers, imo.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

I really like Richie Anderson. He played well, in fact I dont think weve had a FB since then that could do what he did for us.

 

[CCBoy]

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/impugnant

I think we should have LeotisBrown involved here. Perhaps then your butchering of the english language might at least have some comedic value.

That was humor, and if you weren't looking for a high ground flag waving stance, you would have seen if for what it already was....as to spell check, plug it into theme development and get back to me, slick.

And I don't need a later tear jerk departure from my own topic development to resemble sequence of developments...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I wish we had Ken Whisenhunt, and he could bring in his old players...

"Great, looks like we're bringing in another FOKker..."