Jerry Jones: Wade Phillips is one of the 'best talent evaluators'

[CCBoy]

Amen.

The writing hand once having written moves on...LOL.

 

[jimmy40]

He got a chance to go to camp based off that then had to make it through training camp which was not guaranteed

no way that TV show was allowed on the air without a practice squad position being guaranteed, barring injury. I can't prove it but I certainly believe it.

 

[CCBoy]

just out of curiosity can you give me an example of this? Cause I dont recall anyone being held back by a "parcells guy" which by the way is a made up term by the dallas media.

The only time I ever felt like someone was being held back was Patrick crayton in 2004, after he made a few mistakes early in the year parcells deactivated him for a couple of weeks and made dedric ward active. I guess he was teaching him a lesson, similar to what wade phillips did this year with kevin ogletree.

Other than that though I cant remember a time where we had a player who was being held back, the other players that I can think of that came here that were just fill ins because the roster was so poor and we had injuries were Chad eaton, marcellus wiley and eddie george....but they werent taking snaps from anyone who was going to do anything with them.

SO again, I cant think of a single time oustide of ward/crayton where a so called parcells guy took snaps from a young up and coming player.

I can think of the opposite though, where bradie james never got on the field for regular snaps in 03 and then most of 04 because he was behind coakley.
Its just another myth in the hate for parcells and his new jersey background.

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[Chocolate Lab]

Notice how half the posts in this thread are from one poster?

Not surprising...

 

[Hostile]

I don't care to get involved in an endless debate over Wade vs. Bill. I just want to say one thing.

FOBs = "Friends of Bill" is just way cooler to say than FOWs = "Friends of Wade."

The guy is a FOB. See how that rolls off the tongue.

The guy is a FOW. Nothing. Maybe if Wade's middle name was Lee instead of Allen.

The guy is a FOWL. Yeah, that has wings. Pun intended. Too bad his folks screwed up his name.

 

[Doomsday101]

no way that TV show was allowed on the air without a practice squad position being guaranteed, barring injury. I can't prove it but I certainly believe it.

The show itself claimed all those players would get was a chance at going to training camp, Irvin himself said it during and after the show was over. They would be 1 of 80 players brought to camp outside of that no one was being promised anything. Holley had a good game vs the Vikes in pre-season which I think helped him make the club. I think the odds of him remaining are once again a long shot.

 

[Alexander]

This was my main problem with Parcells. He brought in his guys that weren't necessarily better than what he already had or some of the alternatives that were available. He was stubborn about it. And he often didn't give one of his "non-guys" a chance to prove themselves.

Nonsense.

That roster he inherited was a disaster.

The only way you would make any sense is if this myriad of "non-guys" he supposedly never gave a fair shot to went on to succeed elsewhere. Take a look back at it and let me know who did. You will be looking for a very very long time and will not have much success.

Extensive rebuilding projects are going to be like that. When you have to overhaul the culture and team from the disaster that existed then you had to bring in lieutenants to help change it. The only way you do that is by having opportunity meet need. People hate the Young, Bledsoe and Testeverde acquisitions, but neglect to understand or even acknowledge who was replaced.

 

[CCBoy]

Notice how half the posts in this thread are from one poster?

Not surprising...

Such candid observation on topical participations.... You go Cowboy Fan!:starspin

 

[Doomsday101]

Nonsense.

That roster he inherited was a disaster.

The only way you would make any sense is if this myriad of "non-guys" he supposedly never gave a fair shot to went on to succeed elsewhere. Take a look back at it and let me know who did. You will be looking for a very very long time and will not have much success.

Extensive rebuilding projects are going to be like that. When you have to overhaul the culture and team from the disaster that existed then you had to bring in lieutenants to help change it. The only way you do that is by having opportunity meet need. People hate the Young, Bledsoe and Testeverde acquisitions, but neglect to understand or even acknowledge who was replaced.

I agree to an extent however with 3 games left and no chance at the playoffs Vinny was still taking snaps, why? We had others Henson and Romo waiting in the wings and while they may not have done much what differance would it make since we were already out of the race.

 

[CCBoy]

Nonsense.

That roster he inherited was a disaster.

The only way you would make any sense is if this myriad of "non-guys" he supposedly never gave a fair shot to went on to succeed elsewhere. Take a look back at it and let me know who did. You will be looking for a very very long time and will not have much success.

Extensive rebuilding projects are going to be like that. When you have to overhaul the culture and team from the disaster that existed then you had to bring in lieutenants to help change it. The only way you do that is by having opportunity meet need. People hate the Young, Bledsoe and Testeverde acquisitions, but neglect to understand or even acknowledge who was replaced.

Yea, he attempted to put a skirt on Larry Allen and had Emmitt Smith, instead of a Hambrick, WHEN he arrived....by the way, how much cap departed with both of those players?

 

[Alexander]

I agree to an extent however with 3 games left and no chance at the playoffs Vinny was still taking snaps, why? We had others Henson and Romo waiting in the wings and while they may not have done much what differance would it make since we were already out of the race.

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[theebs]

Darren begat Troy...and Bill started 'grass trip' Hambone for a whole season. He went through a draft, and excactly WHO was his backup...that is finding relevance and not JUST trying to explain something away with a misdirected comparison. Maybe you instead of saying Wade had no relevance in evaluations, might really define the free agent comparison in discussion with the initiating post...as Parcells was just used in reference to a generalized view. Parcells stunk in and around the secondary as well as the offensive line. Those alone spelled doom for the Cowboys. Now point out the same for Wade....

this post makes no sense.

A. I like wade and I am one of the only people I can remember last year at the draft saying that its wades defense and he should be allowed to find the players he wants. I was all for that then and I am now.

I am not sure why everything gets turned into an either or....I like them both...there are some things about wade that i prefer differently in a coach, but he is doing a good job.

Secondly...again...Explain the runnnig back situation to me in the spring of 03. We had wiley and hambrick....We had holes everywhere, no quarterback and a disaster at offensive line....How would he have justified a rb in the first couple of rounds of the 03 draft...we needed so much help and running back is a spot you can find in other ways.

so again, you are bagging on parcells for Troy hambrick who he didnt draft and then in turn got 275 carries/972 yards and 5 TD's out of ? I must have missed something...the guy stunk yet somehow he almost had a thousand yards and helped the team make the playoffs.

then you throw in richie anderson who was a smart versatile player, who for some reason Gerry Fraley is bagging on. Makes no sense. He averaged over 4 yards a carry in 03, rushed for 300 yards caught 69 balls for 493 yards and 4 td...and he is a guy picked as a bad signing...

Interesting...70 rushes/70 catches/5 td and 799 all purpose yards while playing multiple positions and being a leader in the locker room and he is bagged on......That is more than tashard choice has done here and people go crazy fighting for this guy to be the starter....yet he was a bad signing for parcells..

bill turned over every leaf he could in looking for running help that year..He tried to replace hambrick, he brought in adrian murrell, he used aveion cason on third downs and it looked like he had a good young versatile player in erik bickerstaff but he couldnt stay healthy.

and again...darren was here and gone before parcells.

so see if you can keep up. I like wade and I loved parcells. Both are excellent in their own way. I am fully on board with wade calling the personnel shots...I love him building the defense here, absolutely love it. I cant wait to see the development of brandon williams, victor butler and jason williams with wade teaching them.

and just for kicks, no matter how much you hate parcells and his jersey background....if you think what wade was handed was in any way similar to what bill was handed well then you dont understand to begin with. As I have said a million times, its alot easier to maintain a team than build one and that is what is going on now.....and that is not a knock on wade, that is reality.

 

[Alexander]

Yea, he attempted to put a skirt on Larry Allen and had Emmitt Smith, instead of a Hambrick, WHEN he arrived....

Allen was pathetically out of shape, so he deserved the "skirt" or whatever nonsense you are talking about. He responded and continued to go to Pro Bowls. I'd say mission accomplished there.

And if you honestly believe that the Hambrick decision was not fiscally driven, you are more delusional than you let on.

 

[Doomsday101]

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I understand that but there comes a time when looking to next year means more than spinning your wheels for nothing. Vinny was never the long term solution and once we were out of the race it made no sense keeping him in the lineup we achived nothing in doing that.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

wait wait wait....

why the heck do people just hate Jersey? What they heck did I or other people that live here do?

 

[theebs]

Yea, he attempted to put a skirt on Larry Allen and had Emmitt Smith, instead of a Hambrick, WHEN he arrived....by the way, how much cap departed with both of those players?

OMG.

Nevermind. I am sorry I responded to you at all.

 

[Alexander]

As I have said a million times, its alot easier to maintain a team than build one and that is what is going on now.....and that is not a knock on wade, that is reality.

Bronze this.

 

[Alexander]

I understand that but there comes a time when looking to next year means more than spinning your wheels for nothing. Vinny was never the long term solution and once we were out of the race it made no sense keeping him in the lineup we achived nothing in doing that.

We further developed Tony Romo instead of throwing him to the wolves and having his confidence shattered. I would not call that nothing.

I too experienced frustration back then. It did not make sense, but we were thinking like fans and not football coaches. But Coach Parcells did it the right way in retrospect.

 

[Doomsday101]

We further developed Tony Romo instead of throwing him to the wolves and having his confidence shattered. I would not call that nothing.

I too experienced frustration back then. It did not make sense, but we were thinking like fans and not football coaches. But Coach Parcells did it the right way in retrospect.

Landry did it and so has other coaches. Tenn Jeff Fisher did it last season by finally pulling Collins instead of wasting more time on a season that was dead in the water and because of that they found that Young may very well be the guy.

As i said I like BP I think he did more right in Dallas than wrong my main beef is how so many knock Wade around here he does not deserve that he is a quality HC not just DC or some puppet and so I will defend him just as you continue to defende BP.

BP was good but not without mistakes not every thing he did was good or right but he did it the way he felt and I do respect that.

 

[CCBoy]

this post makes no sense.

A. I like wade and I am one of the only people I can remember last year at the draft saying that its wades defense and he should be allowed to find the players he wants. I was all for that then and I am now.

I am not sure why everything gets turned into an either or....I like them both...there are some things about wade that i prefer differently in a coach, but he is doing a good job.

Secondly...again...Explain the runnnig back situation to me in the spring of 03. We had wiley and hambrick....We had holes everywhere, no quarterback and a disaster at offensive line....How would he have justified a rb in the first couple of rounds of the 03 draft...we needed so much help and running back is a spot you can find in other ways.

so again, you are bagging on parcells for Troy hambrick who he didnt draft and then in turn got 275 carries/972 yards and 5 TD's out of ? I must have missed something...the guy stunk yet somehow he almost had a thousand yards and helped the team make the playoffs.

then you throw in richie anderson who was a smart versatile player, who for some reason Gerry Fraley is bagging on. Makes no sense. He averaged over 4 yards a carry in 03, rushed for 300 yards caught 69 balls for 493 yards and 4 td...and he is a guy picked as a bad signing...

Interesting...70 rushes/70 catches/5 td and 799 all purpose yards while playing multiple positions and being a leader in the locker room and he is bagged on......That is more than tashard choice has done here and people go crazy fighting for this guy to be the starter....yet he was a bad signing for parcells..

bill turned over every leaf he could in looking for running help that year..He tried to replace hambrick, he brought in adrian murrell, he used aveion cason on third downs and it looked like he had a good young versatile player in erik bickerstaff but he couldnt stay healthy.

and again...darren was here and gone before parcells.

so see if you can keep up. I like wade and I loved parcells. Both are excellent in their own way. I am fully on board with wade calling the personnel shots...I love him building the defense here, absolutely love it. I cant wait to see the development of brandon williams, victor butler and jason williams with wade teaching them.

and just for kicks, no matter how much you hate parcells and his jersey background....if you think what wade was handed was in any way similar to what bill was handed well then you dont understand to begin with. As I have said a million times, its alot easier to maintain a team than build one and that is what is going on now.....and that is not a knock on wade, that is reality.

No, what you DON'T understand is I have nothing against Parcells in a comparitive nature. The difference comes along when a strength is pointed out in Wade, player evaluations, and it is shoveled underneath the table with some substituted abstract OF Parcells worship. Fact is, Bill did a luke warm job in Dallas, but enforced his self supportive nature of discipline. That in itself, reinforces discipline, but stifles some aspects needed during a developing period in the NFL.

You substitute argument of specifics, to redefine your own sense of credability of a direct comparison of career achievements. Career doesn't even apply to time WITH Dallas. Parcells failed with Dallas, but still retained the respect of being a good coach. He was NOT a killer GM with Dallas, and his 'leadership' of player acquisitions hit on some, and missed in MANY of his own value priorities AT the head of player acquisitions.

Too much of Parcells efforts at Dallas evolved around priviledge granting. Bill became probably TOO dependent upon personality return types around him. Payton did well taking principals and applying them himself upon his departure from the Dallas group then. We shall see how the current Miami refuge of a newly collected group of former Cowboy but now Parcells' guys.

That has little to do with the storyline involved around personnel identifications and utilization by Wade Phillips. Wade stands on strong merit here. His team HAS produced, and the Dallas experience validates this perspective.

That, although, has NOTHING to do with a Parcells worship, hatred, or even a comparison to your feelings concerning both.