Jerry on Gregory "We're doing everything we can to get him back on the field."

[FuzzyLumpkins]

any substance that controls you is an addiction. Saying weed is the only thing to help with Anxiety is false. You can argue side effects but 100% the effect of weed is suspension in the NFL.

There are some health issues related to use of barbiturates, benzos, and the like. The first one that comes to mind is an actual physical addiction. IF you have anxiety issues already the withdrawals from them are a nightmare.

That is the thing: once you move past the "must obey the rules at all costs" and look at the issue and consider Randy's health it's a no brainer to me. He has very good rational basis to not want to take opioids or hypnotics.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A lot of people in this thread, Fuzzy. I don't get it.

It's simple and some people need simple.

 

[Doomsday101]

There are some health issues related to use of barbiturates, benzos, and the like. The first one that comes to mind is an actual physical addiction. IF you have anxiety issues already the withdrawals from them are a nightmare.

That is the thing: once you move past the "must obey the rules at all costs" and look at the issue and consider Randy's health it's a no brainer to me. He has very good rational basis to not want to take opioids or hypnotics.

You must obey rules if you want to play in the NFL that is plain and simple fact. I am not taking an opinion I am stating a FACT. Gregory knows this he has talked about this as being immature. As for his health issues you are only guessing his state of mind you don't know what is going on. You push this agenda on drug use and act as if it is the only drug out there and you are wrong.

It gets tiring hearing medical views from people who are not doctors nor are they close enough to Gregory situation to recommend any kind of drug.

He has a choice plain and simple he can smoke weed and move on without the NFL or he can stop. It is very obvious he has an addiction because any thing that controls you despite the fact he has gone to rehab and he has come out and stated his issues with weed and his mistakes were stupid yet can't seem to stop then it is a problem. Only you guys sitting here making excuses for him, fine make all the excuses in the world but his career is going down the drain fast and all these excuses will not change that. You act as if he is making this choice then why the hell would he go to rehab is this was a choice?

Gregory is adamant that marijuana is the only illegal drug he has ever used.

"I don't want my career to be defined by the fact that I had failed a drug test or anything of that sort," Gregory said. "I want people to remember me as that top-10, top-five (draft pick) that had a 10-year career, a number of championships. I want to be known as that guy. I don't want to be known as a bust or that guy who came in (to the league) with a drug habit."

Gregory said life without marijuana is "clearer" and added, "People also get to see how I really am instead of me walking around like a zombie or something."

He also understands that some people will be skeptical.

"I want people to really understand that I know I made a mistake, for one," Gregory said. "That I knew what I had coming up (the combine), and I still made that mistake. That was dumb.

"I want people to understand I'm not some dumb jock pothead. I'm not," he added. "I'm intelligent. I love the people who help me, I love my family, I love my support group. I love football. I love winning. And I don't want to be labeled as some bust that couldn't make it because he smoked. And I won't be labeled as that.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...blame-myself-for-failed-nfl-combine-drug-test

I will give Gregory credit he blames himself no one else, here it is the NFL fault? BS i

"So I just want people to understand that. This may be a setback. You may look at me a certain way, but at the end, I'm still going to be on top. I'm still going to do well."

 

[Trouty]

It gets tiring hearing medical views from people who are not doctors nor are they close enough to Gregory situation to recommend any kind of drug.

You are equally stating a "medical view" in this statement. It gets tiring with y'all with all your medical views who are not doctors and are not close enough to Gregory's situation to recommend any kind of drug. Pot included.

See how it goes both ways?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You must obey rules if you want to play in the NFL that is plain and simple fact. I am not taking an opinion I am stating a FACT. Gregory knows this he has talked about this as being immature. As for his health issues you are only guessing his state of mind you don't know what is going on. You push this agenda on drug use and act as if it is the only drug out there and you are wrong.

It gets tiring hearing medical views from people who are not doctors nor are they close enough to Gregory situation to recommend any kind of drug.

He has a choice plain and simple he can smoke weed and move on without the NFL or he can stop. It is very obvious he has an addiction because any thing that controls you despite the fact he has gone to rehab and he has come out and stated his issues with weed and his mistakes were stupid yet can't seem to stop then it is a problem. Only you guys sitting here making excuses for him, fine make all the excuses in the world but his career is going down the drain fast and all these excuses will not change that. You act as if he is making this choice then why the hell would he go to rehab is this was a choice?

Gregory is adamant that marijuana is the only illegal drug he has ever used.

"I don't want my career to be defined by the fact that I had failed a drug test or anything of that sort," Gregory said. "I want people to remember me as that top-10, top-five (draft pick) that had a 10-year career, a number of championships. I want to be known as that guy. I don't want to be known as a bust or that guy who came in (to the league) with a drug habit."

Gregory said life without marijuana is "clearer" and added, "People also get to see how I really am instead of me walking around like a zombie or something."

He also understands that some people will be skeptical.

"I want people to really understand that I know I made a mistake, for one," Gregory said. "That I knew what I had coming up (the combine), and I still made that mistake. That was dumb.

"I want people to understand I'm not some dumb jock pothead. I'm not," he added. "I'm intelligent. I love the people who help me, I love my family, I love my support group. I love football. I love winning. And I don't want to be labeled as some bust that couldn't make it because he smoked. And I won't be labeled as that.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...blame-myself-for-failed-nfl-combine-drug-test

I will give Gregory credit he blames himself no one else, here it is the NFL fault? BS i

"So I just want people to understand that. This may be a setback. You may look at me a certain way, but at the end, I'm still going to be on top. I'm still going to do well."

And they are looking to change the rules.

I use my statements with an "if" before them because I am in no position to diagnose. That doesn't mean there is no writing on the wall. There have been discussion about his mental health since his time in Nebraska. The therapeutic properties of cannabis are well known at this point. There is a very good chance he uses the drug for that purpose.

I can understand why you would get irritated by people who feign certainty when it is not there. What gets me though is most of the certainty is from the group labeling him a loser and drug addict. That is why I am repeatedly giving my if statements because there is a significant probability that is not the case. You don't get irritated with them though.

Randy Gregory and how you feel about him is ancillary at this point. It makes no difference at all whatsoever to him or the NFL. OTOH, the owners meetings are coming up in 10 days. You have three main factions.

First, you have the players and their NFLPA. They want the rule changed by an overwhelming majority.
Second, you have Jerry Jones and his faction of owners who want the rule changed.
Finally, you have the owners who are against changing the rule.

Where do you stand?

 

[zrinkill]

10 pages ............ probably multiple threads with 10 or more pages ........

for this guy

14 games played ......... 1 sack - 15 tackles - 5 assisted tackles .......17 games suspended

Sad that a JAG causes this much strife and anger.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

10 pages ............ probably multiple threads with 10 or more pages ........

for this guy

14 games played ......... 1 sack - 15 tackles - 5 assisted tackles .......17 games suspended

Sad that a JAG causes this much strife and anger.

If the rules are changed then he gets to play and the suspension issues go away. This should not be a hard concept. He is an athletically gifted individual despite your statline.

 

[Doomsday101]

And they are looking to change the rules.

I use my statements with an "if" before them because I am in no position to diagnose. That doesn't mean there is no writing on the wall. There have been discussion about his mental health since his time in Nebraska. The therapeutic properties of cannabis are well known at this point. There is a very good chance he uses the drug for that purpose.

I can understand why you would get irritated by people who feign certainty when it is not there. What gets me though is most of the certainty is from the group labeling him a loser and drug addict. That is why I am repeatedly giving my if statements because there is a significant probability that is not the case. You don't get irritated with them though.

Randy Gregory and how you feel about him is ancillary at this point. It makes no difference at all whatsoever to him or the NFL. OTOH, the owners meetings are coming up in 10 days. You have three main factions.

First, you have the players and their NFLPA. They want the rule changed by an overwhelming majority.
Second, you have Jerry Jones and his faction of owners who want the rule changed.
Finally, you have the owners who are against changing the rule.

Where do you stand?

I don't care, what I do care about is when rules are agreed on and implemented they are followed by owners and players. I say Gregory has an addiction problem because it is true, as I mention any substance that can control you is a problem. If Gregory had no problem he would not have gone to rehab on his own accord, why bother to go to rehab is you do not plan on stopping. I do feel for him, he want to play and he knows he has to stop smoking weed to be able to play yet continues to fail drug test.

 

[zrinkill]

If the rules are changed then he gets to play and the suspension issues go away. This should not be a hard concept. He is an athletically gifted individual despite your statline.

Not my stat line ........ its his.

Leon Lett was suspended a lot for pot back in the day ........ the difference is that when he actually played he was dynamic.

And I also think Pot should be just as legal as alcohol ......... I have smoked it many times myself.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't care, what I do care about is when rules are agreed on and implemented they are followed by owners and players. I say Gregory has an addiction problem because it is true, as I mention any substance that can control you is a problem. If Gregory had no problem he would not have gone to rehab on his own accord, why bother to go to rehab is you do not plan on stopping. I do feel for him, he want to play and he knows he has to stop smoking weed to be able to play yet continues to fail drug test.

You're feigning certainty about his rehab. You going to hate on yourself now? One reason I can think of is because of the NFL's drug policy. It's hard to say that it is willingly when he is being persecuted by the NFL over consuming cannabis.

And if the rules state the marijuana suspensions will be retroactively lifted will you be willing to move on?

 

[Trouty]

I don't care, what I do care about is when rules are agreed on and implemented they are followed by owners and players. I say Gregory has an addiction problem because it is true, as I mention any substance that can control you is a problem. If Gregory had no problem he would not have gone to rehab on his own accord, why bother to go to rehab is you do not plan on stopping. I do feel for him, he want to play and he knows he has to stop smoking weed to be able to play yet continues to fail drug test.

Speaking of keyboard medical professionals...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not my stat line ........ its his.

Leon Lett was suspended a lot for pot back in the day ........ the difference is that when he actually played he was dynamic.

And I also think Pot should be just as legal as alcohol ......... I have smoked it many times myself.

Lett had a coke problem. He has talked about it extensively. He was able to play his first few year after being drafted. It's not remotely the same circumstance.

This is also 2017 not 1997.

 

[zrinkill]

This is also 2017 not 1997.

Ok .......... why would that make a difference on how a guy plays football.

 

[waldoputty]

And they are looking to change the rules.

I use my statements with an "if" before them because I am in no position to diagnose. That doesn't mean there is no writing on the wall. There have been discussion about his mental health since his time in Nebraska. The therapeutic properties of cannabis are well known at this point. There is a very good chance he uses the drug for that purpose.

I can understand why you would get irritated by people who feign certainty when it is not there. What gets me though is most of the certainty is from the group labeling him a loser and drug addict. That is why I am repeatedly giving my if statements because there is a significant probability that is not the case. You don't get irritated with them though.

Randy Gregory and how you feel about him is ancillary at this point. It makes no difference at all whatsoever to him or the NFL. OTOH, the owners meetings are coming up in 10 days. You have three main factions.

First, you have the players and their NFLPA. They want the rule changed by an overwhelming majority.
Second, you have Jerry Jones and his faction of owners who want the rule changed.
Finally, you have the owners who are against changing the rule.

Where do you stand?

probable owners against changing the rules: pittsburgh, NE, giants, Commanders, green bay, eagles, chiefs, bengals, bears, who else
i am going by age, nfc east and who else have the most to lose if randy gets to play

 

[Doomsday101]

You're feigning certainty about his rehab. You going to hate on yourself now? One reason I can think of is because of the NFL's drug policy. It's hard to say that it is willingly when he is being persecuted by the NFL over consuming cannabis.

And if the rules state the marijuana suspensions will be retroactively lifted will you be willing to move on?

Gregory checked himself in to rehab. I am going to hate on myself? lol You can make weed legal, alcohol is yet people can be addicted to it. Again any substance that can control you is an addiction and no addiction is good for you. If they change the rule and let him play that will not change the fact you have a young man with an addiction problem. But what the hell as long as he can play football you don't really care about his problems or his addiction.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok .......... why would that make a difference on how a guy plays football.

See your back to taking quotes out of context. You address the part of my post that answers your question and I will entertain your query here.

 

[Trouty]

Gregory checked himself in to rehab. I am going to hate on myself? lol You can make weed legal, alcohol is yet people can be addicted to it. Again any substance that can control you is an addiction and no addiction is good for you. If they change the rule and let him play that will not change the fact you have a young man with an addiction problem. But what the hell as long as he can play football you don't really care about his problems or his addiction.

What of all the players plagued by addictions to opioids that get a free pass? They in your favor? Or are they addicts that need help? Should be in rehab? If so, we won't have a league.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

probable owners against changing the rules: pittsburgh, NE, giants, Commanders, green bay, eagles, chiefs, bengals, bears, who else
i am going by age, nfc east and who else have the most to lose if randy gets to play

Why would the Bengals be against it? The Bengals are economically conservative no question but they routinely draft and sign problem children.

Old Rooney is dead for the Steelers. That his younger family is taking over bodes well.

Snyder strikes me as more of a libertarian as opposed to the Kraft's and Mara's.

 

[Doomsday101]

What of all the players plagued by addictions to opioids that get a free pass? They in your favor? Or are the addicts that need help? If so, we won't have a league.

No Brett Farve had an issue with pain medication and checked into rehab realizing he had a problem and was in the NFL substance abuse program. Players can get addicted but this BS of every player in the NFL is some drug addict, give me a break whoever is feeding you that BS is crazy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gregory checked himself in to rehab. I am going to hate on myself? lol You can make weed legal, alcohol is yet people can be addicted to it. Again any substance that can control you is an addiction and no addiction is good for you. If they change the rule and let him play that will not change the fact you have a young man with an addiction problem. But what the hell as long as he can play football you don't really care about his problems or his addiction.

Gregory also smoked pot. You get up in arms if people give reasons why he would do that. OTOH it's completely okay for you to tell us with certainty why he checked into rehab? gmab.

And again, if he is taking marijuana therapeutically then your entire addiction diatribe is unfounded. What makes you qualified to say he is "addicted?" Have you ever even met Gregory?