Jerry on Gregory "We're doing everything we can to get him back on the field."

[Doomsday101]

That's not true. If he doesn't play this year the season tolls and he is under team control until 2019

2019 he is an UFA

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/randy-gregory-16784/

 

[Vintage]

Has the praying help? Did he stop smoking?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

2019 he is an UFA

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/randy-gregory-16784/

Did you actually read my post?

Spotrac shows he is a UFA because he has yet to miss this entire season right?

If he does due to suspension (as he is scheduled to do) this season tolls and moves to 2018 and his 2018 salary moves to 2019.

 

[Texas_Pete]

Jerry really sees something in this guy SMH... I would move the hell on.

Disagree. If Jerry can get him on the field our pass rush improves a great deal. Those 2 games he played last year were a glimpse of what this dude could do. I saw a sack and multiple QB pressures during that short sample size. He did that without the benefit of participating in OTAs, TC, and preseason games. Imagine if he did?

This kid has talent. Jerry is doing the right thing in trying to get him back. Lack of a potent pass rush is the biggest obstacle keeping us out of SB contention. Randy helps fix that if he is allowed to play.

An added bonus if this happens (at least to me) would be us getting Def Ro McCLain back. My dream LB corps is Lee - McClain - Jaylon. Drool.

 

[Trouty]

Why do you think JJ is working so hard to change the league's weed policy? Out of altruism? LOL... Let's not pretend JJ is a saint here.

And yes I know-- the NFL needs to change its policy on marijuana and I am in favor of that.

But all along my issue has been with the front office and their policy of gambling in poor character guys that are talented.

You simply can't build a team on unreliable players-- and Gregory has proven to be so.

You say the NFL needs to change its policy, but then in the next breath call Gregory a poor character guy. Which is it? Can you read between the lines and see how this doesn't make sense?

 

[The Natural]

However you feel about the league's marijuana stance, everyone has to abide by the same rules (or atleast thats how its supposed to be) thats just the way it is. A player with Gregory's talent would put this team over the top, but you cant depend on him.

 

[Trouty]

You misguidedly assumed I have a hangup with marijuana-- which I don't-- and you mistakenly think I'm preaching morality when in fact I am actually making a business decision:

We are getting nothing for our 2nd round investment-- and we need to change our philosophy of drafting guys who have issues.

Instead-- JJ is now crusading to change the NFLs policy.

Because I want to cut an irresponsible player and see a change in philosophy in the front office-- somehow in your mind that equaled I am a hypocrite because RDJ is on my avatar is just absurd lol

You only started talking about the second rd. pick in your last two or so posts in this thread (after I brought it up, I might add), before that it was how "we need to move on from the emotionally fragile Gregory, who smokes weed, and shouldn't be on the team, and that he's one huge character flaw" [paraphrase].

Stop moving the goal posts, I'm too lazy to keep up.

 

[Trouty]

However you feel about the league's marijuana stance, everyone has to abide by the same rules (or atleast thats how its supposed to be) thats just the way it is. A player with Gregory's talent would put this team over the top, but you cant depend on him.

No one here is saying to depend on him, Natural.

 

[Typhus]

The testing procedure is the issue, and with Crazy Cabbage being legalized rapidly throughout the country, the testing policies need to be addressed to coincide with the legalization.
What I mean by this, is that there needs to be a more accurate testing method. For instance, if you work for a company that requires you to take Random UAs, you could have smoked a joint a month ago, but it shows up in your system, and your fired.
There needs to be a mouth swab test or something like that for example, that would indicate if you have smoked or ingested THC within the past 24 hrs. This would indicate that you were under the influence, at that time of the test, not from a joint you smoked while on vacation, away from work, a month ago.
Ive even heard that you can get a DUI, if its determined that you were under the influence of Marijuana,, I'm not a cop, but how do they know a time frame, maybe your car smells like pot from someone else that had been in your vehicle, the cop smells it, you take a UA and get a DUI because you smoked a joint a month ago? See where I'm going with this.
I don't care one way or another rather a common person, or a professional athlete does on his or her time away from the office or field of play, but what I would be more concerned with would be certain athletes like Gregory, that clearly has a problem, going hog wild and showing up to practice, and games stoned. I want to watch sober athletes play, but have zero issue with responsible use while away on free personal time.
Alcohol is legal, but there is proper testing for the amount of time its in your system, and the testing is practical when applied.
Marijuana is fat soluble, therefore remaining in ones system for a very extensive time frame, long past the influence of the drug.

 

[Trouty]

The testing procedure is the issue, and with Crazy Cabbage being legalized rapidly throughout the country, the testing policies need to be addressed to coincide with the legalization.
What I mean by this, is that there needs to be a more accurate testing method. For instance, if you work for a company that requires you to take Random UAs, you could have smoked a joint a month ago, but it shows up in your system, and your fired.
There needs to be a mouth swab test or something like that for example, that would indicate if you have smoked or ingested THC within the past 24 hrs. This would indicate that you were under the influence, at that time of the test, not from a joint you smoked while on vacation, away from work, a month ago.
Ive even heard that you can get a DUI, if its determined that you were under the influence of Marijuana,, I'm not a cop, but how do they know a time frame, maybe your car smells like pot from someone else that had been in your vehicle, the cop smells it, you take a UA and get a DUI because you smoked a joint a month ago? See where I'm going with this.
I don't care one way or another rather a common person, or a professional athlete does on his or her time away from the office or field of play, but what I would be more concerned with would be certain athletes like Gregory, that clearly has a problem, going hog wild and showing up to practice, and games stoned. I want to watch sober athletes play, but have zero issue with responsible use while away on free personal time.
Alcohol is legal, but there is proper testing for the amount of time its in your system, and the testing is practical when applied.
Marijuana is fat soluble, therefore remaining in ones system for a very extensive time frame, long past the influence of the drug.

Very fair middle ground, Typhus

 

[Typhus]

Very fair middle ground, Typhus

Middle is good,
Twinkies, Ding Dongs, etc...

 

[Trouty]

Middle is good,
Twinkies, Ding Dongs, etc...

Oreos, eclairs!

Now we sound like stoners

 

[Typhus]

Oreos, eclairs!

Now we sound like stoners

I live in a legalized state, and it seems as though everywhere they have a dispensary, there is a Voodoo donuts, or a Taco Bell being built right next door.
Sonic Burger should be capitalizing and leading the surge in this market,, even without being stoned, I could stare at that drive through menu long enough to annoy the person behind me,, if stoned, maybe a week?

 

[Hawkeye19]

You say the NFL needs to change its policy, but then in the next breath call Gregory a poor character guy. Which is it? Can you read between the lines and see how this doesn't make sense?

Can you see hiw when you break your word you don't have any character?

That when you let your team down and fail your employer b/c of your irresponsibility-- you may have a character issue?

This is not about weed... its about his inability to be respinsible and handle his business.

Please stop making it about weed. If the guy was addicted to video games (as a ridiculous example) and couldn't make it to team meetings it would be the same exact character issue.

 

[Trouty]

Can you see hiw when you break your word you don't have any character?

That when you let your team down and fail your employer b/c of your irresponsibility-- you may have a character issue?

This is not about weed... its about his inability to be respinsible and handle his business.

Please stop making it about weed. If the guy was addicted to video games (as a ridiculous example) and couldn't make it to team meetings it would be the same exact character issue.

What of the notion that Gregory uses weed as a way to self-medicate? And with that question, I juxtapose it against your quote "the NFL needs to change it's policy."

Is that a character flaw? That he shouldn't be able to use his medicine, that you say should be allowed?

 

[Hawkeye19]

You only started talking about the second rd. pick in your last two or so posts in this thread (after I brought it up, I might add), before that it was how "we need to move on from the emotionally fragile Gregory, who smokes weed, and shouldn't be on the team, and that he's one huge character flaw" [paraphrase].

Stop moving the goal posts, I'm too lazy to keep up.

No-- you are too lazy to try and understand where I am coming from and you're ridiculous paraphrase is case and point.

This has always been about two things from my point of view-- go back and read my posts:

1. Gregory's irresponsibility and failure to handle his business

2. The front office philosophy that continues to acquire talent with known character issues.

You are the one who has muddied the waters by trying to paint me as a moralist and hypocrite.

I don't care if you disagree with me-- but don't pin your misunderstanding my posts and stance on me.

Also-- please never try and paraphrase me again. Use an exact quote if you want to try and hold me to my words. I realize that may be inconvenient for you as you won't be able to make me say something I didn't say-- but nonetheless-- I would appreciate it

 

[Trouty]

No-- you are too lazy to try and understand where I am coming from and you're ridiculous paraphrase is case and point.

This has always been about two things from my point of view-- go back and read my posts:

1. Gregory's irresponsibility and failure to handle his business

2. The front office philosophy that continues to acquire talent with known character issues.

You are the one who has muddied the waters by trying to paint me as a moralist and hypocrite.

I don't care if you disagree with me-- but don't pin your misunderstanding my posts and stance on me.

Also-- please never try and paraphrase me again. Use an exact quote if you want to try and hold me to my words. I realize that may be inconvenient for you as you won't be able to make me say something I didn't say-- but nonetheless-- I would appreciate it

I'll paraphrase all I want. It was accurate. Nanny nanny nah nah.

Don't resort to being bitter. It's unbecoming.

 

[Trouty]

No-- you are too lazy to try and understand where I am coming from and you're ridiculous paraphrase is case and point.

This has always been about two things from my point of view-- go back and read my posts:

1. Gregory's irresponsibility and failure to handle his business

2. The front office philosophy that continues to acquire talent with known character issues.

You are the one who has muddied the waters by trying to paint me as a moralist and hypocrite.

I don't care if you disagree with me-- but don't pin your misunderstanding my posts and stance on me.

Also-- please never try and paraphrase me again. Use an exact quote if you want to try and hold me to my words. I realize that may be inconvenient for you as you won't be able to make me say something I didn't say-- but nonetheless-- I would appreciate it

Do you deny my paraphrase was correct?

 

[Hawkeye19]

What of the notion that Gregory uses weed as a way to self-medicate? And with that question, I juxtapose it against your quote "the NFL needs to change it's policy."

Is that a character flaw? That he shouldn't be able to use his medicine, that you say should be allowed?

Show me a doctors note and prescription that proves he needs it and how much he needs it.

I have never heard him claim that-- but if its true he should be able to back it up medically.

My point on the NFL policy is that in my opinion-- the punishment does not fit the crime. But you can only control what you can control as a front office.

The rules are what they are-- and Gregory has continued to put his addiction ahead of what is best for the team and himself. I would be in favor of a more compassionate NFL policy-- but I will also always be in favor of people taking responsibility for themselves and acting like professionals.

It is "professional" football after all.

 

[Typhus]

What of the notion that Gregory uses weed as a way to self-medicate? And with that question, I juxtapose it against your quote "the NFL needs to change it's policy."

Is that a character flaw? That he shouldn't be able to use his medicine, that you say should be allowed?

That's the hurdle that both parties need to be on common ground with, if there is ever going to be legalization.

I can envision a testing procedure still in place, but if you fail a test, or in Gregorys situation, multiple failures prior to a revised policy, than that player must adhere to stricter, supervised, counselled use.

Meaning that the team is required to regulate a player like Gregorys use. A strict schedule that only allows him to medicate after practices, games etc...
.
But again, as I stated earlier, you can only enforce such a policy if there is a more refined testing procedure. That is the problem.