Jerry on how Eagles construct their roster vs how the Cowboys do

[Whirlwin]

True.

No extensive job search can possibly be successful IF it is never conducted.

It is commonplace in business for a manager (general or otherwise) to either be fired for subpar results or voluntarily resign.

Subpar results cannot be possibly corrected without implementing a different managerial approach.

True.

No matter, in any form of business, is totally responsible for all problems within an organization. That said, managers are generally held responsible for the organization not meeting and surpassing its goals--especially goals that managers themselves set.


True. Some observers do not attribute just how deep the franchise's issues go with Jerry Jones as its general manager.

Just for the record. I am not a fan of the way. Jerry does things, but I do understand most of why he does it. And I don’t believe he doesn’t want to win. Discussing it is not necessarily sticking up for it. But I can’t control how some people think. Thank you for your time.

 

[Whirlwin]

Look, you're not totally wrong here.

My whole NFL team success philosophy is based on a 60/20/20 split of responsibility percentages between GM/HC/QB1.

There are those that will always come back to blaming the GM fully because he hired the HC and drafted/acquired the QB.

That's where I'm different. And specifically in the ecurrent Cowboys team landscape.

I don't hold Jerry responsible for his former SB winning HC absolutely sucking as a Dallas Cowboys playoff coach.
Nor do I hold him responsible for his runner up MVP QB absolutely sucking as a Dallas Cowboys playoff QB.
If you want to talk the rare HC/QB duos that could win in spite of Jerry, that's a different conversation.
BUT Jerry does bare the majority of blame as my opinion describes.
But like you said, not all of it.

jmo

Good post

 

[Whirlwin]

It’s very hard to debate, with three or four different people at the same time
Different points of view take different points of reasoning
. I enjoy it people don’t take it personal. If I said something that might’ve upset you.
. And try to understand what I’m truly trying to say.
It takes an entire organization to win a championship
And being a cowboy fan is totally different than the rest of the league. We don’t do the things the same here.
So it’s adopted or leave
And I’ve been a fan for over 70 years, so I’m not going anywhere be good. Be safe.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Sad truth is Jerry actually believes Dak is a cornerstone here for the future.

 

[DallasEast]

Sad truth is Jerry actually believes Dak is a cornerstone here for the future.

Sad or not, I will add that Jerry Jones has held that belief since late October/early November of 2016. His belief has never changed.

 

[Whirlwin]

Sad truth is Jerry actually believes Dak is a cornerstone here for the future.

I think that was before the injury

 

[Whirlwin]

Sad or not, I will add that Jerry Jones has held that belief since late October/early November of 2016. His belief has never changed.

I never would’ve re-signed Prescott, although I don’t think he’s the entire fault of everything. Just though it seems always to be something with this franchise.
Yeah, I think I would give Parsons , two first round draft picks to move up to get a quarterback even though you don’t know what you’re going to get until you get them lol.
I don’t know anything about Trey Lance, it has to be something there, but what don’t know. So at some point, we need to start drafting a quarterback.

 

[DallasEast]

So at some point, we need to start drafting a quarterback.

Jerry Jones has drafted quarterbacks during the post-Troy Aikman era. He has not drafted first round quarterbacks afterwards. And his highest drafted round quarterback has been Quincy Carter.

Would it more accurate saying we should start drafting first-round (with high potential) quarterbacks instead?

 

[Sydla]

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on @1053thefan when asked about the Eagles' roster construction vs. the Cowboys' roster construction:

"They're at a time where they're paying their quarterback now. They've really spent some money to put this team together, and they've spent some cap. This is a good time for them to hit it because they have a lot invested in this team.

"I for sure make comparisons with the cap status (of other teams) around the league with where they've got room to grow the cap. ... I do that all the time. I observe every club very carefully. I obviously look that over and apply it to us and where we spend our money.

"That's why we (signed Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb) this year. We knew they were cornerstones of now and in the future."

Gobbligook

 

[kskboys]

Three seasons 12+ wins. Has three rings. But I guess it’s one of you’ve done for me lately. Well, it’s not over. I know it’s Super Bowl or bust for some of you people. But that’s not the NFL. I enjoy watching the Eagles lose as much as us win.

30 seasons of spinning our wheels. Very odd draft picks. Ignoring areas of weakness. But, I guess it's forgetting everything for a few regular season records. I know some of you don't understand examining history. That's how you win in the NFL.

 

[kskboys]

Everybody just wants somebody to blame, I don’t like Jerry either, but this franchise is worth a zillion dollars because we keep winning just not in the playoffs and that’s not anybody’s fault but the players and coaches

That's not the reason, and what is the relevance?

You are simply very far off on this one. Do you have any idea what the job of a CEO is?

 

[Cowboys5217]

Jerry has been saying the same garbage since 1995 when he criticized the Niners cap management likening it using a credit card. He was the owner who pushed the cap and sold it to the league and yet he have never understood how to effectively manage it and keep enough talent to win.

To be fair, the 49ers did blatantly violate salary cap rules which Tagliabue helped cover up and let them get away with because he despised the Cowboys. About 10 years later the NFL admitted that the 49ers cheated, but did not strip them of all wins in 1994 like they should have.

 

[Flamma]

Come on, we made the playoffs three of the last four seasons. That’s not building off of the previous year.

No. I'm not talking about making the playoffs. I am talking about the actions taken after each year. For example, after a good 1991 season the Cowboys took steps to get over the top. Acquiring Haley among other moves. You see teams do this sort of thing in every sport. The Eagles this offseason is another good example.

The Cowboys had a very promising outlook after our 2016 season. But they did nothing, made no moves to try and get over the top. They did what they do every year. Same process regardless of record, regardless of outcomes. Going 12-5 three years in a row is irrelevant. The question is what did you do to be better than that in the offseason? The answer is nothing.

 

[Whirlwin]

Jerry Jones has drafted quarterbacks during the post-Troy Aikman era. He has not drafted first round quarterbacks afterwards. And his highest drafted round quarterback has been Quincy Carter.

Would it more accurate saying we should start drafting first-round (with high potential) quarterbacks instead?

I believe we had 17 starting quarterbacks after Troy, before Tony Romo , from Randall Cunningham, lol two you will love his accuracy, Bill Parcells guy.
but personally, I take a quarterback in every single draft in the late round, you never know what you’re gonna get. Brady, Romo, and many others. I’m sure I just don’t remember. Around the league. But you’re right a first round quarterback would probably give you a better shot. Or not.

 

[kskboys]

No. I'm not talking about making the playoffs. I am talking about the actions taken after each year. For example, after a good 1991 season the Cowboys took steps to get over the top. Acquiring Haley among other moves. You see teams do this sort of thing in every sport. The Eagles this offseason is another good example.

The Cowboys had a very promising outlook after our 2016 season. But they did nothing, made no moves to try and get over the top. They did what they do every year. Same process regardless of record, regardless of outcomes. Going 12-5 three years in a row is irrelevant. The question is what did you do to be better than that in the offseason? The answer is nothing.

To add, their horrific player evaluation keeps them from succeding FA.

 

[atlantacowboy]

To be fair, the 49ers did blatantly violate salary cap rules which Tagliabue helped cover up and let them get away with because he despised the Cowboys. About 10 years later the NFL admitted that the 49ers cheated, but did not strip them of all wins in 1994 like they should have.

They didn't violate the cap in 1994. They just figured out ways around it before anyone else. They did things like front load contracts for 1993, the before the cap went into effect which was perfectly legal. They also introduced the league to the concept of deferred compensation which is what Jerry didn't like. That's part of doing business today. Their cap violation came in 1997 and Tag went light on them which drew the ire of Al Davis among others.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on @1053thefan when asked about the Eagles' roster construction vs. the Cowboys' roster construction:

"They're at a time where they're paying their quarterback now. They've really spent some money to put this team together, and they've spent some cap. This is a good time for them to hit it because they have a lot invested in this team.

"I for sure make comparisons with the cap status (of other teams) around the league with where they've got room to grow the cap. ... I do that all the time. I observe every club very carefully. I obviously look that over and apply it to us and where we spend our money.

"That's why we (signed Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb) this year. We knew they were cornerstones of now and in the future."

A QB who never put it over the top, in decline on the downslope of his career, is the "Cornerstone of now and in the future."

 

[fivetwos]

Last year nearly everything fell their way, yet when they played teams like Buffalo and Miami in December, and Green Bay in the playoffs the horrific DT room and having to play safeties at LB caused them to get gouged against the run.

Why? Because they were short on the field. Why? Because they were worried about the 2027 and forward cap. That’s essentially their philosophy since they seem to laugh at everyone trying to win now.

That hasn’t worked, it won’t work, and I guarantee come 2027 they are still moaning about the cap.

That’s what they do. Other teams make it work, they say they can’t. Great.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Just for the record. I am not a fan of the way. Jerry does things, but I do understand most of why he does it. And I don’t believe he doesn’t want to win. Discussing it is not necessarily sticking up for it. But I can’t control how some people think. Thank you for your time.

no one said he doesn't want to win. but winning is not his top priority. if it was, then you make every move and do everything to win. the fact he doesn't shows he doesn't have it as his top priority. his top priority is for cowboys to maximize profits (yes, he is a billionaire and he still cares a lot about business succees, that's his game), for the cowboys to remain relevant in media and to increase Cowboys market value. winning is secondary.

 

[Risen Star]

A QB who never put it over the top, in decline on the downslope of his career, is the "Cornerstone of now and in the future."

He's only been in the league 9 years.