Jerry still the biggest problem

[gjkoeppen]

Is anyone else having problems with the Cowboys website? I click on a story and all I get are blank pages. Is that happening to anyone else?

 

[atlantacowboy]

It cracks me up when the argument "He was the front runner in ATL, STL, and BAL ...." is thrown out there. He was an OC then, coming off a decent first season. Those teams were most likely turned down because papa Jerry had already promised his puppet boy he was getting the gig as soon as he could get enough reason to kick Wade out. You think any of those teams are upset they lost out on the greatness of Garrett? Not likely.

Now that Garrett has put together a rather mediocre resume I doubt you would see ANY team knocking his door down with offers to come to their organization. Not even Detroit or Cleveland would take that chance.

He also had Tony Sporano still on staff from the Parcels era game planning for him in 2007. So, while Garret got all the credit for the 2007 offense, we can now look back on that success and ask how much of that was really due to him..

 

[gjkoeppen]

One playoff win in 8 years, misses the playoffs 75% of the

The only place that would hire Garrett to be their head coach if Jerry's neurons started to work again and kicked his arse out the door is Div 3 Western Omaha.

You know I'm right

That's not all together true. Garrett turned down at least 2 head coaching jobs that we know of waiting to be the Cowboys head coach.
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[atlantacowboy]

One of those very rare occasions Garrett took blame instead of throwing someone else under the bus.

But notice that he never uses the word "I". Its "we".

 

[gjkoeppen]

It must have been the site temporarily because it's working for me now.

 

[Diehardblues]

He also had Tony Sporano still on staff from the Parcels era game planning for him in 2007. So, while Garret got all the credit for the 2007 offense, we can now look back on that success and ask how much of that was really due to him..

We’ve had a top10 offense most years with Garrett.

If your going to give credit to others when it’s had more success then you can’t blame him when it’s struggled.

 

[G2]

Bottom line is JG hasn't fulfilled his "process." We've made numerous changes around him and no playoff success. New coaches - same result. Best O line in the NFL - same result. Best RB in the NFL - same result. When it comes to the actual game day choices, he is grossly out coached. It's not even debatable. His play calling is horrible. Same with the playbook. Look what Marinelli did with scraps in a short time? JG has had plenty to work with.
Blame Jerry for keeping JG here so long.

 

[Sydla]

Jerry is the biggest problem............. because he's slow to react to what he knows to be true.

 

[CowboysRule]

We’ve had a top10 offense most years with Garrett.

If your going to give credit to others when it’s had more success then you can’t blame him when it’s struggled.

When has the offense struggled the most for a prolonged period? When Romo wasn't around.
Previous players have said it was mostly Romo running the offense. It's time for Garrett to go. And, unlike Jerry stepping down, that may happen in the near future. Better to focus on that.

 

[G2]

When has the offense struggled the most for a prolonged period? When Romo wasn't around.
Previous players have said it was mostly Romo running the offense. It's time for Garrett to go. And, unlike Jerry stepping down, that may happen in the near future. Better to focus on that.

Even with Romo, we went nowhere.

 

[Idgit]

...He (garret) said, "Let me tell you this though, as a staff, we made a bad mistake. We should've got some help sooner, we should've tried some things sooner. That's on us."

Not sure I understand your 'case in point' comment, but that's fine. I *do* remember this quote. It's not the same thing the other poster was referencing, though, which is why I asked.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Not sure I understand your 'case in point' comment, but that's fine. I *do* remember this quote. It's not the same thing the other poster was referencing, though, which is why I asked.

Every time somebody says something bad about Garret, you want a link. You seem to be his biggest defender on the board.

 

[atlantacowboy]

We’ve had a top10 offense most years with Garrett.

If your going to give credit to others when it’s had more success then you can’t blame him when it’s struggled.

There is no credit to be given here. Its just odd that his "best year" was his first year. He'd be a QB coach somewhere if Jerry didn't keep trying to make him a head coach.

 

[Bluedocd]

The one person Jerry should put a lot of blame on is himself. I've been screaming about the botched picks he has been missing in the second round of the draft for a long time. You have to hit on those guys and they have to be the core of your team especially if you plan to stay out of the Free Agency Frenzy! You can't draft poorly in the first three rounds and don't do anything in Free Agency and expect to win a superbowl!
Bruce Carter, Escobar, Gregory, Jaylon Smith ...... do the math man....do the math

 

[Idgit]

Every time somebody says something bad about Garret, you want a link. You seem to be his biggest defender on the board.

No. Every time somebody says something that I haven't heard before about Garrett and attributes the quote to him, I want a link. Lots of stuff gets said bad about him, and lots of stuff he's actually said gets linked. If it's referenced and I know what the poster is referencing, I don't ask.

You'll notice that when I do ask for a link, I almost never get one. That's probably because people tend to paraphrase things that aren't actually said. If you guys are going to jump on every little thing, it's not too much to ask that we stick to the little things that are actually real and not imaginary. Or is it?

And I probably am his biggest defender on the board. I happen to think he's a pretty good fit for a tough job and the team's actual problems--and they have them--are mostly elsewhere. I'm not sure Jason's the guy to get it done in Dallas, but I think he might be. And I don't think the reason we haven't gotten closer since he's been here as as much to do with him and his staff as it does with the way we go about finding talent and where we're spending our resources.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I didn’t think Romo was enough to overcome them either. And why I’m concerned if Dak isn’t as good as Romo.

Dak is in his 2nd year. You have no idea what he can become.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You have the quote where Garrett said he didn't think of giving Green help? I didn't see that quote. From what I recall, they shifted the protection over about a quarter of the time, ran at the gap, tried rolling protection away, and started calling quick-release passes and it just didn't work. The next week they did give help almost every pass, but then that didn't work either.

I'm not giving the coaches a pass for the ATL game, because they didn't have any answers for a mediocre player, but the idea that they weren't trying to counter the guy getting 8 sacks isn't true at all.

It's not true that I don't buy into Garrett ever doing anything wrong. I criticize him for the things that I think are important, like for blowing the #4 and #34 picks in 2016, and for failing to put together an 8 person OL that can actually play in 2017. What I don't do is attribute every shortcoming the team has on him whether it makes any sense or not. Which is why I don't care if an offense is predictable as long as it scores points at a high rate and why I don't ding the guy for not running the football enough when we run it more than everybody or for red zone scoring when we're consistently among the best in the league at red zone scoring.

Why do I have to find these things for you? Here is one of them I found with a quick search.

What help could have been given to Chaz Green?

Broaddus: I asked (Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett) this question today, when you think about double-teaming, or helping, or chipping away, and all that... tackles don't usually like help on the outside because tight ends get in the way, running backs get in the way. They get out of position and it messes up your block, so you've got two guys screwing up the play instead of just one. He goes, "You're absolutely right about that. You want to help him as much as you can, but you have to be careful of how you help him."

He said, "Let me tell you this though, as a staff, we made a bad mistake. We should've got some help sooner, we should've tried some things sooner. That's on us."

 

[OmerV]

This same thread has been written countless times over the years, along with countless articles, radio and TV discussions, and fan rumbling over the years. It is what it is, no matter how many times we say it. But that doesn't mean there aren't other problems to be addressed. We have to accept what can't be changed, and hope for the best with what can.

 

[cowboyblue22]

That's not all together true. Garrett turned down at least 2 head coaching jobs that we know of waiting to be the Cowboys head coach.
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personally I sure wish he would have taken one of those jobs

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Why do we have a coach like Garrett? And why does Jerry insist on retaining Garrett?

I don't understand. In your OP, you blame Jerry for the problems (which I agree with), but then you turn around and blame the coach?

This team has a flawed roster, and that's on the GM.