Jerry was Just on With Norm

[Everlastingxxx]

Teams are together because they're winning and are divided because they're losing. It's not the reverse.

Wrong. Teams are together because they share one common purpose...winning. This group of stars is not focused on winning. I don’t get the reasoning that winning solves all. After the Cowboys beat the Giants, everyone said “winning cures all”...um no because we are talking about another failed season.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yes, bringing in talent and bringing in "brilliant" coaches is the worst reason for him to stay. Just because a decision doesn't work out how you think it should doesn't mean it was a bad decision at the time. Hindsight is 20-20.

Yes Hindsight is 20-20 but good thing about hindsite is that you can learn from it and change things for the future...aka the coaching if need be.

We can all say that they were good hires at the time if we want and even if we don't agree...that was then and you can not due much about what happened then.

However there is a time when you have to look at things and consider they are not working, and I have to think in his heart he knows that it will not change.

I have to believe one of the following scenarios.

He will either be looking at other head coaches and is just being adamant about not saying it now.

He does not see any coaches out there that he likes at this point.

He is waiting until a coach he does like comes free later (next year)

He is waiting to give JG another year before making him HC.

He does not want to make a change now because he has the new stadium to worry about and the continuity issue.

I really want to believe that he sees the problems and does not think Wade can fix them at this point.

Who knows...but saying hindsite is 20-20 does not count for the NOW and what to do for the future except to give you a history and good idea if something is or is not going to work.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yeah, that's a nice cliche.

But it's true. Leadership is invested with ultimate authority.

Who can tell T.O. to shut up or he gets benched? Jerry Jones.

Who can demand Wade Phillips make changes? Jerry Jones.

Who can demand that the Cowboys become a run-oriented team? Jerry Jones.

He has involved himself with this team so that we know he has ultimate authority.

So he has to take the blame, as he took the credit when the Cowboys won those Super Bowls. Yes, it was Jimmy Johnson. Yes, it was the players. But it was Jerry Jones who allowed the culture of winning to develop then.

I've never said otherwise. So I'm pretty consistent when it comes to assigning him blame now.

Again, he's the leader. He's the authority. He has the power to do whatever he wants with this franchise.

The Buck Stops With Him.

 

[tyke1doe]

Wrong. Teams are together because they share one common purpose...winning. This group of stars is not focused on winning. I don’t get the reasoning that winning solves all. After the Cowboys beat the Giants, everyone said “winning cures all”...um no because we are talking about another failed season.

at your Jerry Jones picture.

Are his teeth that yellow or did you color them? LOL!

 

[theogt]

Ugh....I can't stand the term "leadership."

It's one of those vague BS excuses where a winning team obviously has "leaders" and a losing team obviously doesn't.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

No coaching changes.

No drastic roster changes.

Yet there will be change!!!!

Whatever.

 

[es22]

With no changes this team will absolutely finish dead last in the NFC East. No doubt about that. Nice way to open Jerry World huh?
:bang2:

One thing with Jerry is that he cares and he wants to win, unlike other owners. He is just a littlte to hands on.

As long as Snyder owns the Skins, we will not finish last

 

[Everlastingxxx]

at your Jerry Jones picture.

Are his teeth that yellow or did you color them? LOL!

I might have colored them a little. :

 

[theogt]

Yes Hindsight is 20-20 but good thing about hindsite is that you can learn from it and change things for the future...aka the coaching if need be.

We can all say that they were good hires at the time if we want and even if we don't agree...that was then and you can not due much about what happened then.

However there is a time when you have to look at things and consider they are not working, and I have to think in his heart he knows that it will not change.

I have to believe one of the following scenarios.

He will either be looking at other head coaches and is just being adamant about not saying it now.

He does not see any coaches out there that he likes at this point.

He is waiting until a coach he does like comes free later (next year)

He is waiting to give JG another year before making him HC.

He does not want to make a change now because he has the new stadium to worry about and the continuity issue.

I really want to believe that he sees the problems and does not think Wade can fix them at this point.

Who knows...but saying hindsite is 20-20 does not count for the NOW and what to do for the future except to give you a history and good idea if something is or is not going to work.

I know you're not particularly calling for Cowher, but bear with me.

Steelers in 3 years before Cowher: 25-23
Cowboys in 3 years before Phillips: 24-24

Steelers in Cowher's first two years: 20-12, and 0-2 in the playoffs.
Cowboys in Phillips's first two years: 22-10, and 0-1 in the playoffs.

Do you think the Steelers should have fired Cowher after those first two seasons? Was it so very clear that he needed to be gone? Or does hindsight say it would have been stupid to fire him?

Or does maybe Jerry think it's too early to give up on this coaching staff and that continuity is the best option available?

I think the worst possible decision Jerry can make is to be so fickle, yes fickle, as to fire an entire staff of coaches every two years if they're not performing better than this staff. If we go that route, we'll NEVER win anything. Never.

 

[Mansta54]

I know you're not particularly calling for Cowher, but bear with me.

Steelers in 3 years before Cowher: 25-23
Cowboys in 3 years before Phillips: 24-24

Steelers in Cowher's first two years: 20-12, and 0-2 in the playoffs.
Cowboys in Phillips's first two years: 22-10, and 0-1 in the playoffs.

Do you think the Steelers should have fired Cowher after those first two seasons? Was it so very clear that he needed to be gone? Or does hindsight say it would have been stupid to fire him?

Or does maybe Jerry think it's too early to give up on this coaching staff and that continuity is the best option available?

I think the worst possible decision Jerry can make is to be so fickle, yes fickle, as to fire an entire staff of coaches every two years if they're not performing better than this staff. If we go that route, we'll NEVER win anything. Never.

Excellent post regarding BC. He also lost a ton of HOME playoff games too. He's so overrated. Dude lost alot BEFORE he started to win...

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Theo still going to bat for Wade Phillips and before that says the term "leadership" is vague and a bunch of BS.

Jerry Jones is the main problem with the franchise but that still doesn't absolve Wade Phillips from any of the blame.

He admitted that his style didn't work and has even vowed to change it. His teams have quit on him at crucial times for the most part and the embarrassing loss to the Eagles on Sunday was just a microcosm of what this team has been under Wade Phillips' direction.

The guy isn't a leader and he is 0-4 LIFETIME in the Playoffs.

The defensive leader, Bradie James even laughed at the notion of a "tougher and more demanding" Wade Phillips.

 

[Alexander]

He tried the hard-nosed coach and that didn't work out. So he tried a different approach.

And all with the same culture and the same GM. We were on the right track with Coach Parcells. Had he stepped down and we continued with the program, we might be what the Dolphins are right now. Instead, he listened to the whiners on this team and went south with Phillips (remember he too was "walking on eggshells").

Now, they're going to change things and see if that works out.

Change what? Make meaner faces? Try to fake their way into installing discipline and cohesiveness on this roster? Jerry Jones hasn't said anything he's going to change. If he came out and said I am going to let my coach and his staff run the team and keep out of the power struggles and close his office door to the whiners, then that's real change I could feel good about. But apparently, he's not. Or he at least is not indicating it.

It's what every team that doesn't win the Super Bowl does every year. If it doesn't work out quite right, you tweak it a little and go from there. If just a few things had gone different this year, we'd been in the playoffs and everyone would be happy as can be right now. We're not the Lions.

Just a few things? It was clear something was wrong as early as Arizona. The team didn't care for the Pacman experiment. Owens appeared to be an issue all season long. Roy Williams was another gaping mouth that demanded to be fed as well.

As for the "team chemistry" part, I think that's a bunch of baloney. Teams are together because they're winning and are divided because they're losing. It's not the reverse.

We won after the Giants game and then the wheels fell off. If winning cured all ills, we should have gone on a run after that game and we didn't. We were destroyed in the final two games. The same problems and ineffective chemistry on offense continued to manifest themselves, all dismissed by the enabling staff of sugar coaters. About the only thing that would have saved this season was weaker opponents in the final two games. We still would have been exposed in the wildcard round.

 

[Alexander]

Theo still going to bat for Wade Phillips and before that says the term "leadership" is vague and a bunch of BS.

Jerry Jones is the main problem with the franchise but that still doesn't absolve Wade Phillips from any of the blame.

He admitted that his style didn't work and has even vowed to change it. His teams have quit on him at crucial times for the most part and the embarrassing loss to the Eagles on Sunday was just a microcosm of what this team has been under Wade Phillips' direction.

The guy isn't a leader and he is 0-4 LIFETIME in the Playoffs.

The defensive leader, Bradie James even laughed at the notion of a "tougher and more demanding" Wade Phillips.

Jerry Jones needs to take a cue from Arthur Blank. He realized his team was in disarray, he hired a strong GM in Dimitroff, he got rid of the bad eggs (Vick, DeAngelo Hall), hired the right coach and they pulled together.

 

[alancdc]

I know you're not particularly calling for Cowher, but bear with me.

Steelers in 3 years before Cowher: 25-23
Cowboys in 3 years before Phillips: 24-24

Steelers in Cowher's first two years: 20-12, and 0-2 in the playoffs.
Cowboys in Phillips's first two years: 22-10, and 0-1 in the playoffs.

Do you think the Steelers should have fired Cowher after those first two seasons? Was it so very clear that he needed to be gone? Or does hindsight say it would have been stupid to fire him?

Or does maybe Jerry think it's too early to give up on this coaching staff and that continuity is the best option available?

The Steelers have been very loyal to their coaches. Cowher did lose how many AFC Championships before the SB against the Seahawks? They did not resign a lot of their "star" players which could be touch as a coach, but to me that is a good way to go if you have a GREAT personel guy that will draft great players. Keep them hungry by not giving them the huge contracts and if they wnat to walk then fine...we have a system that works and we will just draft someone to take your place that will come in and play hard cause he didn't just get 10 million guaranteed.

 

[theogt]

Theo still going to bat for Wade Phillips and before that says the term "leadership" is vague and a bunch of BS.

Yeah, I'm not as fickle as most fans.

 

[wileedog]

I know you're not particularly calling for Cowher, but bear with me.

Steelers in 3 years before Cowher: 25-23
Cowboys in 3 years before Phillips: 24-24

Steelers in Cowher's first two years: 20-12, and 0-2 in the playoffs.
Cowboys in Phillips's first two years: 22-10, and 0-1 in the playoffs.

Records aren't everything. They need to be looked at in context.

Were the Steelers after Cowhers first two seasons utterly humiliated down the stretch of his second season? Did they blow numerous chances to make the playoffs? Did they give one of the worse efforts imaginable in a must win final game? Were they badly outcoached down the stretch in just about every phase of the game? Were their Special Teams a disaster with no pending change in sight? Was the team more busy pointing fingers at each other than trying to beat the guys in the other color uniforms?

I don't think the Rooney's would have put up with this situation very long. Then again, they wouldn't have helped create it in the first place.

 

[Alexander]

Records aren't everything. They need to be looked at in context.

Were the Steelers after Cowhers first two seasons utterly humiliated down the stretch of his second season? Did they blow numerous chances to make the playoffs? Did they give one of the worse efforts imaginable in a must win final game? Were they outcoached badly down the stretch? Were their Special Teams a disaster with no pending change in sight? Was the team more busy pointing fingers at each other than trying to beat the guys in the other color uniforms?

I don't think the Rooney's would have put up with this situation very long. Then again, they wouldn't have helped create it in the first place.

The Steelers (and Cowher) were only able to pull out a nice run because the franchise had a culture in place that everyone believed in. Everyone was on board. There were no agendas, coaches-in-waiting or celebrity. They had identity and that was the program.

What is our program again?

 

[pgreptom]

A 30% turnover with 52 active players is about 16 new players.

I'm thinking Procter, McQuistan, Carpenter, Johnson, Thomas, Williams(S), Canty, and that's all I can think of off the bat. Maybe even Ellis.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yeah, I'm not as fickle as most fans.

Being stubborn and refusing to come to grips with the fact that Wade Phillips is 0-4 in the Playoffs and likely isn't the answer is just as bad as being a fickle fan.

 

[TNCowboy]

Jerry Jones needs to take a cue from Arthur Blank. He realized his team was in disarray, he hired a strong GM in Dimitroff, he got rid of the bad eggs (Vick, DeAngelo Hall), hired the right coach and they pulled together.

100% right.

Something tells me Jerry Jones would prefer a team that's constantly in the news for some reason, rather than a team that does all its talking on the field.