Jerry was Just on With Norm

Maikeru-sama;2540525 said:
20 years?

How about the last 2 years?

The guy is a life time loser as a Head Coach and was likely not going to get another shot at Head Coaching job in the NFL.

How do you field a team with Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, Tony Romo, 2 Pro Bowlers on the Offensive Line, Demarcus Ware with 20 Sacks, Bradie James who had a Pro Bowl Season and a defense that was supposedly coming on strong and get blown the heck out 44-6?

The Dallas Cowboys quit on Wade Phillips.

Not sure how anyone can deny this.
The last 2 years, he's 22-10 and has improved the defense dramatically. Things just didn't quite work out. It's not like we're light years from being a competitive team.
 
theogt;2540537 said:
The last 2 years, he's 22-10 and has improved the defense dramatically. Things just didn't quite work out. It's not like we're light years from being a competitive team.


13-3 to 9-7 we are in decline mode no?
 
theogt;2540491 said:
I don't think he's even considering who is available as a coach down the line. He's giving these guys another year and going from there. He's not planning on next year being a failure.

Whether he is planning for next year to be a failure or a superbowl run. I honestly think it is an evaulation period for JG and the possibility of him taking over as HC and if that does not pan out I think he tries to get Holmgen in as HC.

That is just my gut feeling, an opinion so it really does not amount to a hill of beans but I really think that is his thought process right now.

I have to also wonder if the Offense was doing great this year but the team fell short on D, he may have made the move to promote JG as HC...but I think he gives JG another year to evaluate.

I think people believe Jerry has already made a deal with JG to be the next coach. Some people don't believe it. But one thing needs to be kept in mind.

When he hired JG, BEFORE he hired Wade, there was a short time there when it was reported that Jerry almost pulled the trigger and made JG the coach at that time.
 
BrAinPaiNt;2540546 said:
Whether he is planning for next year to be a failure or a superbowl run. I honestly think it is an evaulation period for JG and the possibility of him taking over as HC and if that does not pan out I think he tries to get Holmgen in as HC.

That is just my gut feeling, an opinion so it really does not amount to a hill of beans but I really think that is his thought process right now.

I have to also wonder if the Offense was doing great this year but the team fell short on D, he may have made the move to promote JG as HC...but I think he gives JG another year to evaluate.

I think people believe Jerry has already made a deal with JG to be the next coach. Some people don't believe it. But one thing needs to be kept in mind.

When he hired JG, BEFORE he hired Wade, there was a short time there when it was reported that Jerry almost pulled the trigger and made JG the coach at that time.

That's the worlds most expensive OC then, if there were no intentions of him being HC soon.
 
BrAinPaiNt;2540546 said:
I think people believe Jerry has already made a deal with JG to be the next coach. Some people don't believe it. But one thing needs to be kept in mind.
Well, it's year 3 and Wade's still here. Those same people that thought that probably also thought he'd be fired after one year if he wasn't in the Super Bowl.
 
Double Trouble;2540461 said:
100% right.

Something tells me Jerry Jones would prefer a team that's constantly in the news for some reason, rather than a team that does all its talking on the field.

As my 12th grade English teacher would say is, "Note the irony!" As smart a guy as he is he does not realize that if he would step back, hire a "real" GM, simply be the money tree, this gives him the best chance to get the attention he craves? A SUPER BOWL WINNER AGAIN. If he would do this, and win a SB this way, he would get far more news and attention than the way he is currently doing it? Sadly, this isn't going to happen.
 
theogt;2540255 said:
It'd be nice if everyone that had such a big problem with Jerry would just leave. He's not going anywhere and the constant complaining is just annoying. It's his team, his players, his stadium.

People blame Jerry because they don't know what else is wrong and just point at "the top" grasping for straws.

Jerry brings in talent and he brings in what everyone thought at the time were brilliant offensive and defensive coaches. That's all a GM can do.

DUDE GET A FREAKING CLUE! IT IS NOT THE JOB of a GM TO HIRE A COACHING STAFF...it is the JOB OF A HEAD COACH!

You want Jerry haters to leave? At least they have half a brain, you want to stick your head in the sand and pat a pathetic GM on the back because its not his fault...let me ask you this...if there had been a GM on this team for the past fourteen years and we had gotten the results we have would you want him fired? Yeah, you would.
 
theogt;2540531 said:
I think that's complete BS, that was media myth more than anything. I don't think Jerry had any intention of doing any other than giving Wade his full 3-4 years here.

What is media myth? That Jason Garrett was brought in here to be the eventual coach? :confused:

That's well reported.

Now, the timeline wasn't reported. No one knows what Jerry Jones' timetable is. My point is that Jerry Jones created this situation, i.e., hiring Phillips with a sword over his head. What difference does it make if he cuts the string that holds that sword tomorrow or two years from now? Wade is already on borrowed time.

I say do it now and get it over with rather than be two years down the road, this club older with key components leaving and making that decision.

But that's me. I acknowledge your overall point.
 
theogt;2540537 said:
The last 2 years, he's 22-10 and has improved the defense dramatically. Things just didn't quite work out. It's not like we're light years from being a competitive team.


he is 10-10 in his last 20.

2 of those are a home playoff loss and a loss in a road playoff game essentially. Both were division opponents that they knew.

The team did not show up and were not competitive, he should be removed for the eagles game alone, before you consider his terrible way of running the day to day operation and his horrible track record.

Zach thomas said the team had the wind taken out of its sails against baltimore and didnt have it against philly. He said they thought they had a good week of practice.

So how do you bring any of the coaches back?

I guess the record for wade phillips over his last 36 games here will have to be 15-21 before many people will realize.
 
utrunner07;2540568 said:
DUDE GET A FREAKING CLUE! IT IS NOT THE JOB of a GM TO HIRE A COACHING STAFF...it is the JOB OF A HEAD COACH!

You want Jerry haters to leave? At least they have half a brain, you want to stick your head in the sand and pat a pathetic GM on the back because its not his fault...let me ask you this...if there had been a GM on this team for the past fourteen years and we had gotten the results we have would you want him fired? Yeah, you would.

So Tony Sparano hired all these miami coaches not Parcells? By the looks of his staff it would be hard to say Sparano hand picked these coaches when they have BP finger prints all over them.
 
Maikeru-sama;2540525 said:
20 years?

How about the last 2 years?

The guy is a life time loser as a Head Coach and was likely not going to get another shot at Head Coaching job in the NFL.

The Dallas Cowboys quit on Wade Phillips.

Not sure how anyone can deny this.

Exactly.

They have no respect for him. He's a pushover and always has been and then on top of it he has virtually no power other than being a glorified DC.

They definitely quit on him and they've walked all over him. Yet the Owner/GM is going to keep things status quo, except for saying they will be "tougher". Puh-lease. Wade tough? No way and especially not after being here two years and after they don't respect him and have quit on him.

Parcells helped line the pins up and Jerry proceeds to roll another gutter ball.
 
Thank God I wont have to watch this team next year. I am liking this year off more & more everyday....I couldnt take watching Wade on those sidelines another season. When is his contract up?

Hopefully by 2010 Jerry will have come to his senses & clean house w/ the coaches & will be able to dump some of the high price contracts like TO.
 
theebs;2540581 said:
So how do you bring any of the coaches back?
For one, I wouldn't base any decision off 2 games alone.

I guess the record for wade phillips over his last 36 games here will have to be 15-21 before many people will realize.
If that were his record, then yeah, he'd need to be gone. But it's not his record and likely won't be his record, so there's no point in even mentioning it.
 
theogt;2540593 said:
For one, I wouldn't base any decision off two games alone.


Howbout the last 20 then? And how can that game sunday not be an indictment on everyone....Owner/gm/all coaches and all players?

How? That was a complete no show in the biggest game of the year?

the giants played half their team and almost beat a desperate vikings team on the road? They are a team.

We are an unmitigated disaster.
 
theebs;2540599 said:
Howbout the last 20 then? And how can that game sunday not be an indictment on everyone....Owner/gm/all coaches and all players?
Why the last 20? Just because it supports your argument?
 
theebs;2540581 said:
he is 10-10 in his last 20.

2 of those are a home playoff loss and a loss in a road playoff game essentially. Both were division opponents that they knew.

The team did not show up and were not competitive, he should be removed for the eagles game alone, before you consider his terrible way of running the day to day operation and his horrible track record.

Zach thomas said the team had the wind taken out of its sails against baltimore and didnt have it against philly. He said they thought they had a good week of practice.

So how do you bring any of the coaches back?

I guess the record for wade phillips over his last 36 games here will have to be 15-21 before many people will realize.

:hammer:

I took alot of heat for saying Wade Phillips didn't fix the defense.

The defense started turning it around when we started playing the 49ers, Seahawks, Steelers and a Giants team without Brandon Jacobs and Plexico Burress.

The Defense gave up two HUGE 60+ runs back to back in the 4th quarter and got ABSOLUTELY worked by the Philadelphia Eagles.

Now if that is the definition of a Defense that is fixed, Gawd help us.

Wade Phillips is not the answer. I don't believe you are a fickle fan for wanting to get rid of Wade Phillips when all the evidence in the world points to the fact that Wade Phillips just isn't the guy for the job.
 
theogt;2540611 said:
Why the last 20? Just because it supports your argument?


Because it is what this team is.

We started out hot last year and have been average ever since.

Just take this year then, he is 9-7 with two terrible showings to finish the season.

Or we could just count the first 10 from last year.

wade and his staff are 9-1 no worries.
 
BraveHeartFan;2540242 said:
How is that news? Anyone with a half functional brain knows that there was no way any big contract guys were getting cut because of the cap.

Only complete idiots actually thought there was a shot that Jerry was going to wreck the cap by cutting guys with big contracts just to appease people.


Great post. Half of our veteran members here know for a fact that nothing is going to change. You think that will stop them crying on a message board about it?

JJ removing himself as GM? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

Get over it already. That was so LAST 90's. You are better off going to find another team than wishing that will happen anytime soon or ever.

Cut all our high priced contracted players? :lmao: JOKE!

Heck - it's not your money you are throwing away. Why not?

Its laughable reading some of these posts. It sucks that this is a business in the NFL, but that is EXACTLY what fans can't comprehend.

We are locked into these players whether you like it or not.

But please, continue trying to be the GM of the Dallas Cowboys, Mr. Armchair.
 
Dallas;2540623 said:
Great post. Half of our veteran members here know for a fact that nothing is going to change. You think that will stop them crying on a message board about it?

JJ removing himself as GM? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

Get over it already. That was so LAST 90's. You are better off going to find another team than wishing that will happen anytime soon or ever.

Cut all our high priced contracted players? :lmao: JOKE!

Heck - it's not your money you are throwing away. Why not?

Its laughable reading some of these posts. It sucks that this is a business in the NFL, but that is EXACTLY what fans can't comprehend.

We are locked into these players whether you like it or not.

But please, continue trying to be the GM of the Dallas Cowboys, Mr. Armchair.

wow once again, a jerry supporter who doesnt have a leg to stand on..

make an argument for things to stay the way they are and then throw your insults.

as soon as you can make an argument for jerry You will have my attention.

Good luck.
 
theebs;2540581 said:
He said they thought they had a good week of practice.

Didn't Wade Phillips say it is impossible to tell how a team will play based off of how well they practice?
 

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