Jets release players

[BigDFan5]

BigD....you're looking good! Is it the makeup?

You wear makeup?

 

[superpunk]

You wear makeup?

Don't play dumb, Maybelline.....:laugh1:

 

[Hostile]

Aarron Glenn was brought in for depth purposes. What a lifesaver he was once Henry went down. Keyshawn and Glenn have been more than I hoped for when they were signed. Same with Bledsoe. Richie Anderson was about our best player on offense when he played. Ferguson was solid last year. I don't see the problem with the Parcells retreads.

I agree with Bpaint that Bill does not discriminate against younger players. He started a 6th round rookie this year for goodness sakes! He's been giving Bradie James time into the lineup for the past three years, and it's finally paying off. Ware and Davis were new starters on our defense, Newman played from the get-go. He drafted Witten, planned on playing Julius right away, Canty and Spears got extensive time this year. Burnett probably would have, and he got decent time once he recovered.

I just don't get where the hatred for Bill's former players, coupled with the myth that he won't play young players, comes from? Maybe it's because so many people hoped so much for Henson? And they resent Drew for "holding him back", or whatever. I know I felt that way in the offseason. But, I'm trusting Bill more and more, as I see these moves work out. (Except on the Oline. Little to no trust threre, yet) It requires patience, but things seem to be working out.

People are so quick to jump on the word "hate." It gets ridden mroe than a roller coaster. We've become so soft that the least bit of doubt raises the red flag of "hate."

I brought it up so I should address it because InmanRoshi is so far off base in his diagnosis where I'm concerned that you could roll the ball and pick him off with room to spare.

Let's start with the hate. I don't hate the former Parcells players on this team or on other teams. Never have. Never will. I'm not Key's biggest fan. That goes back to his days at USC. I've never liked him. I appreciate what he does for the team. I'd be happier if we had someone else.

My distaste for Parcells' former players is real simple to explain. I think there are other options much of the time. It is as simple as that. No black helicopters. No grassy knoll. No wire taps. I'm tired of the mindset that these guys will give him a screaming deal and save our poor team from the ruins. To this point these saviors have us 1 game over .500 for the 3 years. Color me not too impressed.

It takes time? Okay, how much time? Other teams are leap frogging us while we take all this time. That bothers me more than I know how to explain. If you're cool with it that's you. I'm not cool with it. I like rolling the dice now and then.

Playing it safe is sort of like playing prevent defense and trying to hold a lead late. I'll never be enamored with it. Even when we win a game where we go to prevent, run the clock philosophy at the end, I tend to end the game a bit frustrated. It's no different with regards to Free Agency and his former players for me. It's frustrating.

I do not buy into the Parcells doesn't like young players stuff the way some do. I don't believe he hates and of his players. But I do know where in the minds of some that the "myth" as you called it comes from. So do you if you think about it. Here's the test...

Name me one former Parcells player brought in as a Free Agent that had to earn the job as a starter.

Everyone else on the team fights for a job, but Parcells former guys apparently don't. The only exception in 3 years has been Glover over Ferguson last year and that was due more to injury than anything else and then Glover simply played his butt off while Fergy struggled. But what was the plan before Fergy got hurt? He was already pencilled in as the NT.

When you couple that philosophy with the revolving door at QB and the young players not getting any snaps, people are going to come to conclusions. Now, you singled out Henson, but the people who are griping about this wanted Romo to get PT as well. Do you disagree?

You see, the finger of blame is real quick to get pointed at anyone who likes or has hope in Drew Henson. Guys like me who dare to question Parcells are now cataloged forever. We say anything at all about Romo not getting PT...instantly forgotten. Mention Henson needing to get PT to develop...we're malcontents and lesser fans.

Fair enough?

 

[Hostile]

All I can say is "Wow."

I am usually the last one to want to bring in an aging vet as a band aid, but even I am completely on board with this potential signing.

For all of you so vehemently against it, what are your other options?

Fabini is as good as any potential free agent tackle out there. Don't give me this Kevin Barry, Anthony Clement, Ashworth business.

He can and has played both the right and left side. He is better than the two slobs that finished the season right now.

Signing the guy doesn't prevent the team from developing youth. Fabini would be a top notch mentor to Petitti as well as a potential draft pick. Four tackles is not overkill especially if two are established vets and two are young (not to mention that roster sizes may go up this year).

Yes, he has ties to Parcells. What is wrong with the sweetheart deals Dallas got from Bledsoe, Glenn and Glenn for having Parcells ties? I'd go that route again in a heartbeat.

Isn't the point to improve your team? Fabini does that and he should come at a reasonable price. No brainer in my mind.

I love it when you ask us a question, then tell us which options we can't discuss.

It makes it so easy to answer your questions. Junk, I am 100% wrong. Let's sign Fabini.

What do you want me to tell you beyond that? Danged if I can figure it out.

 

[Clove]

People are so quick to jump on the word "hate." It gets ridden mroe than a roller coaster. We've become so soft that the least bit of doubt raises the red flag of "hate."

I brought it up so I should address it because InmanRoshi is so far off base in his diagnosis where I'm concerned that you could roll the ball and pick him off with room to spare.

Let's start with the hate. I don't hate the former Parcells players on this team or on other teams. Never have. Never will. I'm not Key's biggest fan. That goes back to his days at USC. I've never liked him. I appreciate what he does for the team. I'd be happier if we had someone else.

My distaste for Parcells' former players is real simple to explain. I think there are other options much of the time. It is as simple as that. No black helicopters. No grassy knoll. No wire taps. I'm tired of the mindset that these guys will give him a screaming deal and save our poor team from the ruins. To this point these saviors have us 1 game over .500 for the 3 years. Color me not too impressed.

It takes time? Okay, how much time? Other teams are leap frogging us while we take all this time. That bothers me more than I know how to explain. If you're cool with it that's you. I'm not cool with it. I like rolling the dice now and then.

Playing it safe is sort of like playing prevent defense and trying to hold a lead late. I'll never be enamored with it. Even when we win a game where we go to prevent, run the clock philosophy at the end, I tend to end the game a bit frustrated. It's no different with regards to Free Agency and his former players for me. It's frustrating.

I do not buy into the Parcells doesn't like young players stuff the way some do. I don't believe he hates and of his players. But I do know where in the minds of some that the "myth" as you called it comes from. So do you if you think about it. Here's the test...

Name me one former Parcells player brought in as a Free Agent that had to earn the job as a starter.

Everyone else on the team fights for a job, but Parcells former guys apparently don't. The only exception in 3 years has been Glover over Ferguson last year and that was due more to injury than anything else and then Glover simply played his butt off while Fergy struggled. But what was the plan before Fergy got hurt? He was already pencilled in as the NT.

When you couple that philosophy with the revolving door at QB and the young players not getting any snaps, people are going to come to conclusions. Now, you singled out Henson, but the people who are griping about this wanted Romo to get PT as well. Do you disagree?

You see, the finger of blame is real quick to get pointed at anyone who likes or has hope in Drew Henson. Guys like me who dare to question Parcells are now cataloged forever. We say anything at all about Romo not getting PT...instantly forgotten. Mention Henson needing to get PT to develop...we're malcontents and lesser fans.

Fair enough?

I'm sick of Parcells guys too. MEMO TO PARCELLS': Other people can play too.

Now if his guys were young, then I would not have a problem with that, but we are in trouble after BP leaves on offense. If BP leaves after next season, our QB situation will haunt us for the next 3 to 4 years.

If we don't get younger at WR, OLine, QB, it's going to catch up with us, and that's the problem I have with Parcells' guys.

 

[superpunk]

People are so quick to jump on the word "hate." It gets ridden mroe than a roller coaster. We've become so soft that the least bit of doubt raises the red flag of "hate."

Hate - poor choice. Too extreme.

Let's start with the hate. I don't hate the former Parcells players on this team or on other teams. Never have. Never will. I'm not Key's biggest fan. That goes back to his days at USC. I've never liked him. I appreciate what he does for the team. I'd be happier if we had someone else.

I'd be happier if Galloway didn't suck when he played for us. I'm not sure what alternative you wanted to Key? At least with that move, we got a player back, and didn't just cut Galloway. It worked out for both teams.

My distaste for Parcells' former players is real simple to explain. I think there are other options much of the time. It is as simple as that. No black helicopters. No grassy knoll. No wire taps. I'm tired of the mindset that these guys will give him a screaming deal and save our poor team from the ruins. To this point these saviors have us 1 game over .500 for the 3 years. Color me not too impressed.

It takes time? Okay, how much time? Other teams are leap frogging us while we take all this time. That bothers me more than I know how to explain. If you're cool with it that's you. I'm not cool with it. I like rolling the dice now and then.

It goes back to my personal belief that 2003 was a terrible thing. I wish we had sucked. Went 2-14. Not even sniffed the playoffs. The team needed blown up, but making the playoffs rendered that impossible. The result? 2004. Only this year, were we really able to start building, in earnest, and we went 9-7, while enduring some injuries that proved devastating. I can't be disappointed with that. That's my viewpoint on the situation, and it's obvious you don't share it.

Name me one former Parcells player brought in as a Free Agent that had to earn the job as a starter.

Aaron Glenn? Name me one player that was already on the team that deserved to start over Parcells player?

Everyone else on the team fights for a job, but Parcells former guys apparently don't. The only exception in 3 years has been Glover over Ferguson last year and that was due more to injury than anything else and then Glover simply played his butt off while Fergy struggled. But what was the plan before Fergy got hurt? He was already pencilled in as the NT.

I don't believe that at all. How do you know there wasn't proving going on in training camp? That Parcells' players got the starting job, for the simple fact that they were the best player? That seems likely to me. Aaron Glenn was not the best corner, and so he sits third on the depth chart.

When you couple that philosophy with the revolving door at QB

Infuriates me. But I think it's taken care of, at least for a few years, with Bledsoe. Am I satisfied with that? No. But I have hope that one of the young guys will take over, and I see no better options than Bledsoe.

and the young players not getting any snaps,

Does no good, IMO. All it does, is provide talking material for fans, and satisfy fans curiosity. Meaningless snaps in a game out of reach, that the player hasn't prepared as starter for, is not going to help guage the players talent, or tell the coaches anyhting they don't know. It's an excercise in futility.

Now, you singled out Henson,

I have no idea what you're talking about, LOL.

You see, the finger of blame is real quick to get pointed at anyone who likes or has hope in Drew Henson. Guys like me who dare to question Parcells are now cataloged forever. We say anything at all about Romo not getting PT...instantly forgotten. Mention Henson needing to get PT to develop...we're malcontents and lesser fans.

Fair enough?

Still lost.....either this statement doesn't apply to me (I've disagreed with the stance, but don't view it as any judgement on you, as a fan) or I'm just slow today.....

 

[neosapien23]

I'm sick of Parcells guys too. MEMO TO PARCELLS': Other people can play too.

Now if his guys were young, then I would not have a problem with that, but we are in trouble after BP leaves on offense. If BP leaves after next season, our QB situation will haunt us for the next 3 to 4 years.

If we don't get younger at WR, OLine, QB, it's going to catch up with us, and that's the problem I have with Parcells' guys.

Thats the same way I feel. I think the skills positions such as quarterback and wide reciever will get addressed next year. If Dallas underachieves again next season, I think BP will retire.

 

[Hostile]

Hate - poor choice. Too extreme.

In your defense it is common use now. I wish it wasn't, but it's the PC world we liv ein.

I'd be happier if Galloway didn't suck balls when he played for us. I'm not sure what alternative you wanted to Key? At least with that move, we got a player back, and didn't just cut Galloway. It worked out for both teams.

Let's return to that time for just a moment. Was Key going to be released from Tampa? We could have signed him and kept Galloway. If we were dead set on trading Galloway, then trade him for a Draft pick. Bottom line, we didn't get great value there and Galloway tore it up last year. I think he'd have been real handy when Glenn went down in 2004 too.

But hey, that's just me.

It goes back to my personal belief that 2003 was a terrible thing. I wish we had sucked. Went 2-14. Not even sniffed the playoffs. The team needed blown up, but making the playoffs rendered that impossible. The result? 2004. Only this year, were we really able to start building, in earnest, and we went 9-7, while enduring some injuries that proved devastating. I can't be disappointed with that. That's my viewpoint on the situation, and it's obvious you don't share it.

I don't disagree with any of that except the can't be disappointed stuff. I think we wasted a year looking at Q and Hutch and Hambone and I wish it had never happened. I'm very disappointed in the 3 years. Mediocrity is more annoying to me than utter failure.

Aaron Glenn? Name me one player that was already on the team that deserved to start over Parcells player?

Glenn is a good example. Credit where it is due.

Now as to your question, not one damn player anywhere unless they earned it. That's the point. Earn the starting job, don't get handed it. Do you honestly think anyone was going to start over Vinny in 2004? Please be serious. Do you buy into the theory he was brought in here to backup Q?

I'm not saying those guys weren't our best options once on the team. Were they the best options in Free Agency and did they earn the starting nod or get it handed to them?

That is my issue.

I don't believe that at all. How do you know there wasn't proving going on in training camp? That Parcells' players got the starting job, for the simple fact that they were the best player? That seems likely to me. Aaron Glenn was not the best corner, and so he sits third on the depth chart.

We'll agree to disagree. I haven't seen any proof of that. In fact isn't that what drove Bryant nuts? I'm not a fan of his by any wild stretch but what pushed him over the edge was thebelief he wasn't getting a fair shake.

Infuriates me. But I think it's taken care of, at least for a few years, with Bledsoe. Am I satisfied with that? No. But I have hope that one of the young guys will take over, and I see no better options than Bledsoe.

Maybe it is taken care of. I do see better options than Bledsoe and we won't even consider them. Mark my words.

Does no good, IMO. All it does, is provide talking material for fans, and satisfy fans curiosity. Meaningless snaps in a game out of reach, that the player hasn't prepared as starter for, is not going to help guage the players talent, or tell the coaches anyhting they don't know. It's an excercise in futility.

I completely disagree. I think you have to give guys PT even if it is garbage time. If for no other reason than to get them past the deer in the headlights syndrome.

Name me one player in NFL history who didn't have to take his lumps. In one way or another every one of them has to learn the game by playing it.

I have no idea what you're talking about, LOL.

Still lost.....either this statement doesn't apply to me (I've disagreed with the stance, but don't view it as any judgement on you, as a fan) or I'm just slow today.....

In your post that I responded to I bolded the part I was addressing. You specifically brought up Drew Henson as a reason for this "myth" of hatred. Tony Romo was excluded from the equation.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Aron Glenn was brought in to be a third corner he was never in the equation to be a starter so in fact he never battled for the position plus with the money henry got there is no way he would have started.

The question I have is if Glenn had come free earlier would we have signed Henry, I think yes but you never know.

 

[Hostile]

Aron Glenn was brought in to be a third corner he was never in the equation to be a starter so in fact he never battled for the position plus with the money henry got there is no way he would have started.

The question I have is if Glenn had come free earlier would we have signed Henry, I think yes but you never know.

That is true, but his answer did fit the criteria I gave him and refuted my "case study."

 

[Doomsday101]

Aron Glenn was brought in to be a third corner he was never in the equation to be a starter so in fact he never battled for the position plus with the money henry got there is no way he would have started.

The question I have is if Glenn had come free earlier would we have signed Henry, I think yes but you never know.

I'm sure Dallas would have still gone after Henry. After all Henry will be entering his 6th year this coming season while Glenn will be entering his 13th season. Henry should be with us for a while

 

[superpunk]

Let's return to that time for just a moment. Was Key going to be released from Tampa? We could have signed him and kept Galloway. If we were dead set on trading Galloway, then trade him for a Draft pick. Bottom line, we didn't get great value there and Galloway tore it up last year. I think he'd have been real handy when Glenn went down in 2004 too.

Galloway gave us no reason to believe he would ever break out of his funk, or actually make it through a full season. He represented everything that was wrong with the late 90s early 00s Cowboys. I think he needed to be off the team. It wasn't a sure thing, that Key was going to be released, either, If I remember correctly. And who's to say we would have gotten him had he been released? The trade solved getting rid of Galloway, and replacing him with a player who performed better, and had a similar salary. Going back to that time, it just made sense. Hindsight is 20/20, though.

I don't disagree with any of that except the can't be disappointed stuff. I think we wasted a year looking at Q and Hutch and Hambone and I wish it had never happened. I'm very disappointed in the 3 years. Mediocrity is more annoying to me than utter failure.

The first two years, yes, I'm extremely disappointed with. Looking back, we should have blown the team up, playoffs or not. Again, with the hindsight...But last year, I can't be disappointed with. I considered it our first season of rebuilding in earnest, and to go 9-7, with the crap we had to endure (kickers, injuries), is quite the step in the right direction. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Now as to your question, not one damn player anywhere unless they earned it. That's the point. Earn the starting job, don't get handed it.

Again, how do you know it WAS handed to them? You're assuming that, Hos, and I know how much you hate assumptions.

Do you honestly think anyone was going to start over Vinny in 2004? Please be serious. Do you buy into the theory he was brought in here to backup Q?

At the time, I believed it. I thought there was no way Parcells was stupid enough to want Vinny over Carter. Now, I'm not so sure. I have my own "conspiracy theories" about the 2004 season, that sound alot better INSIDE my head.

I'm not saying those guys weren't our best options once on the team. Were they the best options in Free Agency and did they earn the starting nod or get it handed to them?

I can't think of anyone I would have chosen over the players Parcells chose, from his former squads. The biggest issue I had was with Rivera. The rest made sense to me.

Maybe it is taken care of. I do see better options than Bledsoe and we won't even consider them. Mark my words.

Who?

I completely disagree. I think you have to give guys PT even if it is garbage time. If for no other reason than to get them past the deer in the headlights syndrome.

The only time I see that as a legitimate choice, is if you intend to continue running said player out there. If you're talking about putting him in during garbage time, for a game he's not prepared as starter for, and the other team can tee off on him, I really don't see how that's going to dipel ANY jitters that player might have. Especially, if you just plan on putting him back on the shelf the next game.

In your post that I responded to I bolded the part I was addressing. You specifically brought up Drew Henson as a reason for this "myth" of hatred. Tony Romo was excluded from the equation.

Missed it. And forgot I wrote it. My bad. I was just expounding upon my personal hopes for Henson, as an example why people might resent Bledsoe. I know I did, when he was first signed. I was stoked to see the future this year! It seems the future isn't ready, and Bledsoe impressed me. So, I'm content to stick with Bledsoe for now. I think he's got a decent amount left in the tank. Doesn't remove my hope's for Henson, but I'm not going to resent Bledsoe, or Parcells, based solely on my own expectations. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and I can see Parcells' way working. I have high hopes for this upcoming year. Much higher than I did going into last season, or the one before.

 

[Alexander]

Name me one former Parcells player brought in as a Free Agent that had to earn the job as a starter.

Name one player he brought in that wasn't better than what we had?

I could firmly understand this stance if we had these supertalented players and Coach Parcells was importing third and fourth string ex-Jets and Patriots.

 

[neosapien23]

Name one player he brought in that wasn't better than what we had?

I could firmly understand this stance if we had these supertalented players and Coach Parcells was importing third and fourth string ex-Jets and Patriots.

Marco Rivera and Jason Ferguson. Thats about it.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Geez I didn't say don't sign other players just sign those two as cheap vets to transtition....well not in Sowell's case....to younger players.

 

[Alexander]

Marco Rivera and Jason Ferguson. Thats about it.

Robert Thomas was better than Richie Anderson?

Antonio Bryant was better than Keyshawn Johnson and Terry Glenn?

 

[Alexander]

Geez I didn't say don't sign other players just sign those two as cheap vets to transtition....well not in Sowell's case....to younger players.

There is no reason why Fabini and/or Sowell could not be important cogs just like Aaron Glenn was.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has an axe to grind.

 

[junk]

I love it when you ask us a question, then tell us which options we can't discuss.

It makes it so easy to answer your questions. Junk, I am 100% wrong. Let's sign Fabini.

What do you want me to tell you beyond that? Danged if I can figure it out.

Are we a little testy?

Feel free to discuss whoever you want, but I just don't feel there is much in the way of value on the free agent market this year. We'd all love to add a 26 year old swing tackle with unlimited upside. Unfortunately, there aren't that many available and they don't usually see the light of day on the free agent market.

Even a questionable talent like Backus is potentially being kept off the market.

I guess I don't see why everyone wants to dismiss Fabini because he is old (10 months older than Flo) or a former Parcells player (which, for the most part, has worked well in the past).

I want to develop young guys as much as anyone. However, when need meets availability, it just makes sense. Especially in the case of a versatile tackle in the mold of Fabini.

I'm not saying give him a $10 million SB, but consider him for the right price.....like Bledsoe, Glenn and Glenn....all of which have worked out well so far.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Buccaneers? The Giants? The Skins? (although Brunell had a hell of a year, behind a healthy Oline....) The Panthers? (It's close, between Delhomme and Bledsoe) What team had a worse Oline than us?

Two words... "NO WAY".

 

[joseephuss]

I don't get the 2003 season as an excuse. The weaknesses on that 2003 team were clear. The 10-6 record didn't mask the deficiencies of that team. Dallas tried to replace the weak parts with better options. They just did a poor job. A very poor job. They actually got worse players to replace the weak positons of RDE, RCB, NT and ROT. Add in the bad luck with Quincy's poor life decisions, Julius' injury problems and Woodson's injury. That is why 2004 did not work out. It wasn't because the year before the team made the playoffs.

You don't have to lose games in order for the team to get better. In 1991, Dallas went 11-5 and knew what steps they had to take to get better. They had to develop a pass rush and solidfy the secondary. They went out and got Haley and Everett and drafted Smith and Woodson. They built on a winner.