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superpunk said:
Galloway gave us no reason to believe he would ever break out of his funk, or actually make it through a full season. He represented everything that was wrong with the late 90s early 00s Cowboys. I think he needed to be off the team. It wasn't a sure thing, that Key was going to be released, either, If I remember correctly. And who's to say we would have gotten him had he been released? The trade solved getting rid of Galloway, and replacing him with a player who performed better, and had a similar salary. Going back to that time, it just made sense. Hindsight is 20/20, though.
It is still just a swap of WRs instead of actually gaining something. We spent two 1st round picks on him, then swapped him straight across. Sorry, it galls me.

The first two years, yes, I'm extremely disappointed with. Looking back, we should have blown the team up, playoffs or not. Again, with the hindsight...But last year, I can't be disappointed with. I considered it our first season of rebuilding in earnest, and to go 9-7, with the crap we had to endure (kickers, injuries), is quite the step in the right direction. Rome wasn't built in a day.
We're just wired different. I think we had opportunities to be a lot better than we are and they date back to 2003's off season. Some of it is about blowing up the team. Some isn't.

Again, how do you know it WAS handed to them? You're assuming that, Hos, and I know how much you hate assumptions. :)
Articles and interviews reported it for almost every player. yes, some of them were better, but not all of them were the best options on the market.

At the time, I believed it. I thought there was no way Parcells was stupid enough to want Vinny over Carter. Now, I'm not so sure. I have my own "conspiracy theories" about the 2004 season, that sound alot better INSIDE my head.
I knew in March Vinny would be the starter. Long before August, and even June when he was acquired.

I can't think of anyone I would have chosen over the players Parcells chose, from his former squads. The biggest issue I had was with Rivera. The rest made sense to me.
Not to me. Not all of them. There were other options.

Drew Brees or Daunte Culpepper. It's an age preference with me as much as anything else. We won't even consider them. That bothers me a bit. Even if I know in the back of my mind it means Henson gets no real shot.

The only time I see that as a legitimate choice, is if you intend to continue running said player out there. If you're talking about putting him in during garbage time, for a game he's not prepared as starter for, and the other team can tee off on him, I really don't see how that's going to dipel ANY jitters that player might have. Especially, if you just plan on putting him back on the shelf the next game.
I can't imagine a world without a movie like Rudy.

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I think playing starters in garbage time is ignorant. What point does it serve?

Missed it. And forgot I wrote it. My bad. I was just expounding upon my personal hopes for Henson, as an example why people might resent Bledsoe. I know I did, when he was first signed. I was stoked to see the future this year! It seems the future isn't ready, and Bledsoe impressed me. So, I'm content to stick with Bledsoe for now. I think he's got a decent amount left in the tank. Doesn't remove my hope's for Henson, but I'm not going to resent Bledsoe, or Parcells, based solely on my own expectations. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and I can see Parcells' way working. I have high hopes for this upcoming year. Much higher than I did going into last season, or the one before.
No problem and I hope so too.
 

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junk said:
Are we a little testy?

Feel free to discuss whoever you want, but I just don't feel there is much in the way of value on the free agent market this year. We'd all love to add a 26 year old swing tackle with unlimited upside. Unfortunately, there aren't that many available and they don't usually see the light of day on the free agent market.

Even a questionable talent like Backus is potentially being kept off the market.

I guess I don't see why everyone wants to dismiss Fabini because he is old (10 months older than Flo) or a former Parcells player (which, for the most part, has worked well in the past).

I want to develop young guys as much as anyone. However, when need meets availability, it just makes sense. Especially in the case of a versatile tackle in the mold of Fabini.

I'm not saying give him a $10 million SB, but consider him for the right price.....like Bledsoe, Glenn and Glenn....all of which have worked out well so far.


Well that's what it comes down to Junk if they gave this guy a huge signing bonus and expected him to be around for 5 years... I'd snap.
 

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superpunk said:
Hmmmm...not sure how to respond....

YES WAY?

I think the response is WAY. See Wayne's World for correct pronunciation.
 

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Sowell and Fabini are HUGE upgrades over Polite and Petitti. they both should come on the cheap as far as FA goes. The fact that they are not pro bowlers is irrelevant. So yes, Jerruh needs to get er done. these additions allow us to focus on LB and WR in the draft.
 

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junk said:
Are we a little testy?

Feel free to discuss whoever you want, but I just don't feel there is much in the way of value on the free agent market this year. We'd all love to add a 26 year old swing tackle with unlimited upside. Unfortunately, there aren't that many available and they don't usually see the light of day on the free agent market.

Even a questionable talent like Backus is potentially being kept off the market.

I guess I don't see why everyone wants to dismiss Fabini because he is old (10 months older than Flo) or a former Parcells player (which, for the most part, has worked well in the past).

I want to develop young guys as much as anyone. However, when need meets availability, it just makes sense. Especially in the case of a versatile tackle in the mold of Fabini.

I'm not saying give him a $10 million SB, but consider him for the right price.....like Bledsoe, Glenn and Glenn....all of which have worked out well so far.
Again, my username and the fact I'm passionate makes someone think I'm testy. I'm getting conditioned to this.

You know I'm just pulling your leg. When have I ever folded my cards and accepted the other option like that with no discussion?

We all do this. No big deal.

Here's my thing though. There seems to be a prevailing theory that we need a band aid at OT as opposed to an actual solution. In truth I don't know what people want at OT. No clue in fact.
 

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texastwister said:
In 2005, Law, 32, posted a career-high in interceptions with 10,
CALENDAR
holy cow! this guy had 10 INTs?!?!?
That's incredible.
 

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Hostile said:
Again, my username and the fact I'm passionate makes someone think I'm testy. I'm getting conditioned to this.

You know I'm just pulling your leg. When have I ever folded my cards and accepted the other option like that with no discussion?

We all do this. No big deal.

Here's my thing though. There seems to be a prevailing theory that we need a band aid at OT as opposed to an actual solution. In truth I don't know what people want at OT. No clue in fact.

I want a steady veteran that won't break the bank and can back up both tackle positions if he gets replaced by a young prospect at tackle. :)
 

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junk said:
I want a steady veteran that won't break the bank and can back up both tackle positions if he gets replaced by a young prospect at tackle. :)
You can't have it.
 

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Hostile said:
You can't have it.


That's true.

These folks believe some guy (Fabini) will sign for a $1,000,000 and won't complain if Petitti beats him out at the RT spot.

I don't see it.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
That's true.

These folks believe some guy (Fabini) will sign for a $1,000,000 and won't complain if Petitti beats him out at the RT spot.

I don't see it.

I don't think as of today there are many people that are in danger of being beaten out by Petitti. Unless he has a terrific offseason, I think he could be replaced quite easily.

What did Aaron Glenn sign for? What did Bledsoe sign for? Peanuts.

So, pay the guy a little. Give him some PT incentives. If he plays, he is probably worth it.

Is not having to keep a TE or RB in at RT worth something? Being able to run the ball and occasionally keep Bledsoe upright?

Do people want this team to get better? A solid vet comes available at a position of need and people don't even want to consider it. Don't want to draft a guy. How does that hole get filled exactly?

This team has two windows in my opinion. This one right now and the one about 3 years down the road after Parcells leaves and the old skill players on offense leave. I think there is going to be a down year or two in there where the team restocks the offense.
 

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Lots of good debate here. To return to the subject at hand, the "yea" crowd sez...let's bring in Fabini, he's better'n what we got. The "nay" crowd sez...only if he's cheap and he won't be (I think).

If you believe we have a limited window of opportunity with Parcells (and Bledsoe) why wouldn't you go for this? Are there going to be better options as FA goes along? Not that anyone can see. No one seems to have a better option other than standing pat with who we have and taking a draft pick at tackle. Based on last year, unless Colombo is ready to make a big step, I can't see how this is a good strategy. We need depth and this seems like a good idea.
 

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lspain1 said:
Lots of good debate here. To return to the subject at hand, the "yea" crowd sez...let's bring in Fabini, he's better'n what we got. The "nay" crowd sez...only if he's cheap and he won't be (I think).

If you believe we have a limited window of opportunity with Parcells (and Bledsoe) why wouldn't you go for this? Are there going to be better options as FA goes along? Not that anyone can see. No one seems to have a better option other than standing pat with who we have and taking a draft pick at tackle. Based on last year, unless Colombo is ready to make a big step, I can't see how this is a good strategy. We need depth and this seems like a good idea.

I think Winston Justice and Marcus McNeil would probably outplay Fabini.
 

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Hey Junk, maybe we should sign one of the guys we already didn't want last year and the whole league passed over?

I hear Munoz's kid is still available too.:laugh2: :laugh1:
 

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neosapien23 said:
I think Winston Justice and Marcus McNeil would probably outplay Fabini.


I guess that's the crux of the matter. I'm no expert, and I know Petitti as a 6th round choice was not a good sample of what a rookie might do. That being said, I hear experts saying Ferguson is the only sure fire "impact" OT in this draft. Justice and McNeil will not be around in Round 2, so you have to decide now what your strategy is going to be. Fabini will be picked up by someone so an early decision is necessary.
 

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lspain1 said:
I guess that's the crux of the matter. I'm no expert, and I know Petitti as a 6th round choice was not a good sample of what a rookie might do. That being said, I hear experts saying Ferguson is the only sure fire "impact" OT in this draft. Justice and McNeil will not be around in Round 2, so you have to decide now what your strategy is going to be. Fabini will be picked up by someone so an early decision is necessary.

Those same experts said that Robert Gallery would dominate. I think McNeil and Justice will be starters, but unfortunately there is no way to know until after the players have attended training camp.
 

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neosapien23 said:
I think Winston Justice and Marcus McNeil would probably outplay Fabini.

My concern would be what if they could not? OL many times need development time unless the are the Brick..so say we throw our eggs there we still need a vet for insurance!! :)
 
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