Jets release players

[superpunk]

We're just wired different. I think we had opportunities to be a lot better than we are and they date back to 2003's off season. Some of it is about blowing up the team. Some isn't.

It seems to me Bill and Jerry were hell-bent on evaluating what we actually had. IMO, Bill knew it was all crap, but then 2003 turned into a golden turd. How could Bill go to Jerry and say "I need to make major changes," which is what needed to happen. You don't make major changes to a playoff team.

I knew in March Vinny would be the starter. Long before August, and even June when he was acquired.

Miss Cleo?

I feared it, but didn't dare believe it.

Drew Brees or Daunte Culpepper. It's an age preference with me as much as anything else. We won't even consider them. That bothers me a bit. Even if I know in the back of my mind it means Henson gets no real shot.

Brees I was skeptical of going into this season. Turns out it was pretty tough for him to replicate his success. When LT gets shut down, Brees never showed any ability to take over the game. With as much as our run game was shut down this year, I don't know how much of an upgrade Brees would be.

And Culpepper? How is he better than Bledsoe? He's even more of a sack/fumble/INT waiting to happen than Bledsoe is, AND his knee is blown to tiny bits, AND he wants more money. Please tell me you're joking on that one.

I can't imagine a world without a movie like Rudy.

Rudy's a jack ***. There's no need to arrest Jack Bauer. The man needs to be in the field! He has been appointed by the president! Rudy's got a bug in his bum....

I think playing starters in garbage time is ignorant. What point does it serve?

I don't see any purpose in putting in backups. It's not even a real "game", in that sense. If you're trying to avoid injury to a franchise QB, maybe. But we haven't had one of those since the 8 car left.

 

[superpunk]

I agree with this 100%. Please tell me why Bill Parcells absolutely CANOT do this with Rob Petitti. It amazes me the hypocrisy. He can work magic except with this kid. Why? Because his dad posts here?

Rob Petitti is a smart kid. He also apparently has a lot of heart to play through injuries last year. A smart kid with heart. Yeah let's get that guy off the field and quit trying.

I don't get it. Especially given the fact his run blocking grades were pretty darn good.

Does he need work? Especially on footwork? Yes, even his father said that.

Continuity baby. Keep the starters the way they are. MAYBE get us Bentley, if it can be done, just because he's at that perfect age, where this investment's gonna pay off for the next 7-8 years. Depth is a HUGE issue on the Oline, though. We can't be stuck with Tucker again. (For god's sake...get him off the team. Rowdy could play LT better...) Pettiti does need to improve, he can't receive TE and RB help ALL season long again. Need to free up Witten some more.

Didn't Parcells say to pettiti in the offseason, some smarmy, ridiculous remark like "I'll die before I let you fail. Never let go, Rob....Never let go..." I don't think Rob's going anywhere. And, bringing in new starters is only going to hurt the comfort level and continuity (you know you love it) that these players have already established with one another, through an entire year. Remember, folks, the entire right side of our Oline was brand - spanking - new last year. Not exactly a recipe for success, considering the best Olines in the league have had all their parts in place for about three years running now.

Bottom line. Keep Rob. Keep everyone. Bring in depth, competition to push each other. Give the line time to gel into a unit, instead of 5 individual talents. Patience with the offensive line, is always rewarded. (Except for El Gato. Get him a plane ticket.:ralph

 

[Hostile]

It seems to me Bill and Jerry were hell-bent on evaluating what we actually had. IMO, Bill knew it was all crap, but then 2003 turned into a golden turd. How could Bill go to Jerry and say "I need to make major changes," which is what needed to happen. You don't make major changes to a playoff team.



Miss Cleo?

I feared it, but didn't dare believe it.

I'll PM you how I knew.

Brees I was skeptical of going into this season. Turns out it was pretty tough for him to replicate his success. When LT gets shut down, Brees never showed any ability to take over the game. With as much as our run game was shut down this year, I don't know how much of an upgrade Brees would be.

And Culpepper? How is he better than Bledsoe? He's even more of a sack/fumble/INT waiting to happen than Bledsoe is, AND his knee is blown to tiny bits, AND he wants more money. Please tell me you're joking on that one.

No, I'm not joking. I really like Culpepper.

Rudy's a jack ***. There's no need to arrest Jack Bauer. The man needs to be in the field! He has been appointed by the president! Rudy's got a bug in his bum....

Are we talking about the same thing? I was talking about the movie Rudy.

I don't see any purpose in putting in backups. It's not even a real "game", in that sense. If you're trying to avoid injury to a franchise QB, maybe. But we haven't had one of those since the 8 car left.

I wouldn't play any valuable link in garbage time. How stupid is it to lose a player to injury late in a game that doesn't matter?

 

[superpunk]

No, I'm not joking. I really like Culpepper.

You're insane. LOL

Are we talking about the same thing? I was talking about the movie Rudy.

Don't watch 24, huh? Astin's in it, and he's a jerk. A very hateable hobbit.

I wouldn't play any valuable link in garbage time. How stupid is it to lose a player to injury late in a game that doesn't matter?

I do understand that part of it. It seems to me, that Parcells never wants to give the impression that they're quitting, giving up, packing it in. Seems that's just the way he's wired. And I don't mind it terribly. I don't buy the notion that getting a player time in a garbage game, that he's not prepared for, and is probably going to get murdered in, does the player any good in the long run. I see no possible benefit to that.

 

[junk]

You forgot to include that he was injured last year.

I'm not saying he will command huge dollars. I just don't see him as that great an option. His age, his recent injury, etc. these things raise red flags with me and at least I was truthful about the Parcells connection also raising a red flag with me.

I'd offer other options, but you already told me not to. :wink2:

Whatever. I'd be more than willing to listen to your suggestions.

However, I think I see how this is playing out. You like Petitti and want to develop him. So do I. However, I think you see Fabini as an impediment to his to his development. I don't.

Similar players, Fabini will teach him a thing or two. If Petitti is all that, he'll beat out competition.

What if Petitti gets hurt? What if Flo doesn't get back in time? Do you really want to roll the dice at the tackle position again?

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Releasing a bunch of veteran Jets who played for Parcells into free agency must be the same sensation for Bill Parcells that it is for his girlfriend when she walks into the mall. Ya just know he's getting Jerry's check writing finger warmed up.

 

[superpunk]

Similar players, Fabini will teach him a thing or two.

Plus, their names sound similarly Italian....

 

[ravidubey]

Fabini is being cut for a reason-- he's EXPENSIVE! Why would he sign a cheap deal with Dallas and not have already done the same thing as a Jet? Fabini will be looking for $9-10 million up front as this is likely his last contract.

 

[Hostile]

Continuity baby. Keep the starters the way they are. MAYBE get us Bentley, if it can be done, just because he's at that perfect age, where this investment's gonna pay off for the next 7-8 years. Depth is a HUGE issue on the Oline, though. We can't be stuck with Tucker again. (For god's sake...get him off the team. Rowdy could play LT better...) Pettiti does need to improve, he can't receive TE and RB help ALL season long again. Need to free up Witten some more.

Didn't Parcells say to pettiti in the offseason, some smarmy, ridiculous remark like "I'll die before I let you fail. Never let go, Rob....Never let go..." I don't think Rob's going anywhere. And, bringing in new starters is only going to hurt the comfort level and continuity (you know you love it) that these players have already established with one another, through an entire year. Remember, folks, the entire right side of our Oline was brand - spanking - new last year. Not exactly a recipe for success, considering the best Olines in the league have had all their parts in place for about three years running now.

Bottom line. Keep Rob. Keep everyone. Bring in depth, competition to push each other. Give the line time to gel into a unit, instead of 5 individual talents. Patience with the offensive line, is always rewarded. (Except for El Gato. Get him a plane ticket.:ralph

Great post. Aces.

 

[Hostile]

You're insane. LOL

Stating the obvious isn't necessary.

Don't watch 24, huh? Astin's in it, and he's a jerk. A very hateable hobbit.

Never seen it. Sorry.

I do understand that part of it. It seems to me, that Parcells never wants to give the impression that they're quitting, giving up, packing it in. Seems that's just the way he's wired. And I don't mind it terribly. I don't buy the notion that getting a player time in a garbage game, that he's not prepared for, and is probably going to get murdered in, does the player any good in the long run. I see no possible benefit to that.

I see less benefit in a needless injury to a key player.

It's about greater need for the long run.

 

[Hostile]

Whatever. I'd be more than willing to listen to your suggestions.

Junk, I've been pulling your leg for 3 posts now about that options thing. How many smilies do I need to include so you get that.

However, I think I see how this is playing out. You like Petitti and want to develop him. So do I. However, I think you see Fabini as an impediment to his to his development. I don't.

Not an impediment. I see him as a higher risk than benefit. His age and injuries do not excite me as an option. Why is that so hard to understand?

Similar players, Fabini will teach him a thing or two. If Petitti is all that, he'll beat out competition.

I think if you go back in time you'll find that I always want either the best guy to play or a young guy to get some time.

What if Petitti gets hurt? What if Flo doesn't get back in time? Do you really want to roll the dice at the tackle position again?

I don't think I've advocated standing pat at OT. I don't think I've even hinted at it. I do think I said I wouldn't be all that jazzed about adding Fabini. I see a difference, but if you don't I suppose I could be clearer.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree with you, we probably will not draft a RT to replace Petitti.

I agree with that too.

We won't.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd offer other options, but you already told me not to. :wink2:

ROFLMAO!!!!!


Now that's good!!!!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree with this 100%. Please tell me why Bill Parcells absolutely CANNOT do this with Rob Petitti. It amazes me the hypocrisy. He can work magic except with this kid. Why? Because his dad posts here?

Rob Petitti is a smart kid. He also apparently has a lot of heart to play through injuries last year. A smart kid with heart. Yeah let's get that guy off the field and quit trying.

I don't get it. Especially given the fact his run blocking grades were pretty darn good.

Does he need work? Especially on footwork? Yes, even his father said that.

Exactly.

Rob Petitti will turn out OK.

Forget Fabini.

Let's draft a guy in the second or third round and let's bring him along slowly.

 

[Rush 2112]

Exactly.

Rob Petitti will turn out OK.

Forget Fabini.

Let's draft a guy in the second or third round and let's bring him along slowly.

If Petiti is going to be ok why use a first day pick on a position that won't be an issue.

You don't draft a swing tackle with a first day pick.

We need a vet that can start day one or step in on either side w/o pulling a Tucker.

 

[DBoys]

If Petiti is going to be ok why use a first day pick on a position that won't be an issue.

You don't draft a swing tackle with a first day pick.

We need a vet that can start day one or step in on either side w/o pulling a Tucker.

Good point

 

[Hostile]

Exactly.

Rob Petitti will turn out OK.

Forget Fabini.

Let's draft a guy in the second or third round and let's bring him along slowly.

I'm more concerned about OG and C than I am OT. Maybe that's off but I don't see why. Look at the age of our OGs. Look at Rivera's injuries. Look at LA's cap hit. Look at our our options to replace them.

I'd love to get Latui of USC in the 2nd round. I'd definitely pay Bentley some good money to come here.

With Flo back and Rivera hopefully healthy and motivated to redeem himself (high character guy, I think he can) and Bentley replacing Al "Watch for the Fist Pump" Johnson plus a more experienced Petitti we'd have a solid line.

 

[Hostile]

If Petiti is going to be ok why use a first day pick on a position that won't be an issue.

You don't draft a swing tackle with a first day pick.

We need a vet that can start day one or step in on either side w/o pulling a Tucker.

If there is value in the 2nd round I can see using a day 1 pick. I'd rather see us fix the interior line with day 1 picks, but not in the 1st round.

 

[Rush 2112]

If there is value in the 2nd round I can see using a day 1 pick. I'd rather see us fix the interior line with day 1 picks, but not in the 1st round.

Haven't we already lived through the phase where we target backups with first day picks?

That didn't turn out so well.

If you have a chance to upgrade w/o impeding the progress of the youngsters you do it.

Petiti has a chance to be good down the road.

Learning from Fabini for a year or 2 isn't going to derail his progress.

We needed quality depth at OT going into last year.

Drafting a guy first day puts us right back where we were with Tucker.

How game ready is that 2nd rounder going to be sharing reps with Flo, Petiti, Colombo and Rogers? And that assumes Tucker is gone before mini-camps/training camp.

We need a microwaveable OT that can start on either side with the blink of an eye.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If Petiti is going to be ok why use a first day pick on a position that won't be an issue.

You don't draft a swing tackle with a first day pick.

We need a vet that can start day one or step in on either side w/o pulling a Tucker.

I don't think I said "Tackle".