Jets show us what we need to do on offense

[jobberone]

In 2014 the Jets were 22nd in yards on offense and 28th in points on offense.

This year they jump to 10th in yards and 11th in points.

We still have a better running game than the Jets. We were actually 5th in the league in rushing yards per attempt. Why we didn't run the ball more without a QB, I will never know.

Why were the Jets so successful on offense then?

Because they had two big play wide receivers who were able to combine for 26 touchdowns and 2500 yards receiving.

We desperately need to get away from feeding Witten the ball. We need to feed Bryant the ball more and also take pressure off of him by giving him a true partner out there.

Marshall had 174 targets where as in 2014 Bryant had 138, and Decker had 131 targets, just slightly less than what Dez had in 2014. Jason Witten was our #2 receiver in 2014 with 90 targets, while Williams only had 64 targets.... not a true WR2.

This offense needs to stop operating through its tight ends and running backs... I don't mind some screen passes incorporated into the offense, in fact I would welcome them, but we still need to be pushing the ball down the field.

#1 free agent priority should be to get Alshon Jeffery. The two of them together, especially with a better running game even with just McFadden (but I would love to have Miller), would set this offense up to create the score advantage that would yield good results on defense.

We didn't run the ball more because you need to pass the ball well to win as well as defend the pass. We also fell behind even if in the fourth qtr as well and had to pass more.

You can't get big plays from big play WRs without a big play QB. Not consistently. If you want to blame some on play calling I'll buy in a little but most of this is on inadequate QBing. If you want to blame the FO for all of that then you have my vote....in hindsight. No one can convince me they KNEW Weeden would be that awful. And we don't have the Texans defense even though we got pretty good there at the end.....just not good enough.

 

[HanD]

Who's going to throw the ball to these 2 probowl WR's?

This in my mind is the reason for improvement. Fitz is way better that geno.

 

[Alexander]

I think they dumped off to Witten so frequently because other receivers just weren't open. The plays probably were designed to go to those receivers. They just couldn't. Gotta get Dez back to form. Gotta have a better #2.

And of course, get over this ideology that depends on so much on "out-talenting" the other team and a little more formation variance to put stress on the defense.

 

[Vinnie2u]

This in my mind is the reason for improvement. Fitz is way better that geno.

We have broke back Romo, check down Cassel and the mighty midget.

 

[joseephuss]

And the Jets offense is

Let me explain it to you. The Cowboys didn't throw the ball enough in 2014, first of all. We were 31st in the NFL in passing attempts in 2014. The Cowboys offense in 2014 was better than the Jets offense in 2015, because we had a better offensive line and a much better running back. That being said, we lacked the explosiveness to take teams completely out of games, which is what I think we need to implement going forward, which is the point of the OP.

Dez gets more targets than Witten, but every target to Dez as opposed to Witten pushes this offense further ahead. Not sure this is controversial....

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It isn't controversial, it is illogical. Dallas already gets Dez involved in the offense. In 2014 the passing game went through Dez and was very effective. The plan this year was to do the same. It is one thing to want to further improve an offense, but you want to fix a problem that didn't exist. The passing offense did not go through Witten in 2014 and he certainly wasn't hindering the offense in 2014.

Just feeding Dez the ball does not automatically mean more success. The 2014 offense was all about balance. Dez got the most targets and was very efficient with them catching around 65% of the targets. Dez was being targeted about the same number of times per game this season, but only converted 45% of them.

The 2014 offense was very good. It was an efficient offense that did very well compared to other teams that threw the ball a lot more. The Packers and Seahawks also did not throw the ball a lot in 2014 but were efficient.

The Cowboys offense in 2014 took teams completely out of games several times during the season. The Saints, the Colts, the Eagles, the Commanders to name a few examples. The offense took a lot of pressure off of their defense.

The 2014 Cowboys with Dez and Witten made the playoffs mostly on the strength of their offense.

The 2014 Bears with Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jefferey did not make the playoffs.

The 2015 Jets with Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker did not make the playoffs and that was mostly on their offense because their defense was the strength of their team.

 

[JoeKing]

The only thing you follow the Jet's lead on is how to be consistently mediocre to bad.

 

[StarBoyz83]

The only thing you follow the Jet's lead on is how to be consistently mediocre to bad.

At least we won't have to listen to the nfl and tank our last game to get the stealers in the playoffs.

 

[superonyx]

Most targeted player on the team this year, and consistently is more targeted than the 2nd receiver... That's too much. Open up the offense.

Written is this offenses version of the check down Play. He bails the offense and QB out when nothing is open and the 4 second clock is going off in the QB's head. It's not that we are designing plays to feed the ball to Witten or that in any way this is a knock against Witten. If he wasn't in the game you would see our Sack total go way up.

What is needed is a real playmaker in T Will's spot. Unfortunately this is the salary cap NFL and we won't be able to address every hole. So you do your best filling holes and pray your gamble pays off.

 

[JoeKing]

At least we won't have to listen to the nfl and tank our last game to get the stealers in the playoffs.

Is that what they did? lol Jets suck, Jets suck, Jets suck...

 

[Dodger12]

What the Jets proved is if you have a decent QB and a top 5 to 10 defense, you can be competitive. Fitzpatrick had a good year for a journeyman QB but what the Jets also proved is that a non-franchise QB can only get you so far.

 

[rynochop]

The only thing you follow the Jet's lead on is how to be consistently mediocre to bad.

This should have been the 2nd post in this thread, and then closed.ha

 

[StarBoyz83]

Is that what they did? lol Jets suck, Jets suck, Jets suck...

I don't know but sometimes I really wonder. Then The bengals games happens too.

 

[Stash]

A terrible thread with a completely flawed premise if you ask me. The original post tries to gloss over the biggest reason for the success of the Jets passing game - having a capable quarterback in Ryan Fitzpatrick. That offense did well because of him as much as any other reason, but his name is conspicuously absent. I wonder why?

If you want to mention the Jets, maybe it should be to point out that they were smart enough to acquire Fitzpatrick while the Cowboys mistakenly put their faith in Brandon Weeden?

And I find any talk of further allocating huge money to the wide receiver position to be ridiculous, and make no mistake about it, that is what it would take to sign a player like Jeffrey.

 

[Alexander]

A terrible thread with a completely flawed premise if you ask me. The original post tries to gloss over the biggest reason for the success of the Jets passing game - having a capable quarterback in Ryan Fitzpatrick. That offense did well because of him as much as any other reason, but his name is conspicuously absent. I wonder why?

If you want to mention the Jets, maybe it should be to point out that they were smart enough to acquire Fitzpatrick while the Cowboys mistakenly put their faith in Brandon Weeden?

And I find any talk of further allocating huge money to the wide receiver position to be ridiculous, and make no mistake about it, that is what it would take to sign a player like Jeffrey.

Chan Gailey did a nice job with them as well. They got a QB that knew his system in Fitzpatrick and Gailey made a concerted attempt to fit the scheme around the personnel and not vice versa. Adding a quality player like Marshall, that kind of helped too.

 

[Stash]

Chan Gailey did a nice job with them as well. They got a QB that knew his system in Fitzpatrick and Gailey made a concerted attempt to fit the scheme around the personnel and not vice versa. Adding a quality player like Marshall, that kind of helped too.

Gailey is a good offensive coordinator and it's good to see him back in the role he's best at, much like Norv Turner.

And Marshall was a steal for them too. They made both trades within a few days of one another and both look like genius right now.

 

[dfense]

I am not understanding the comparison at all. The 2014 Cowboys offense was better than the Jets 2015 offense. Marshall had more targets because the Jets threw the ball 128 more times in 2015 than Dallas did in 2014.

Marshall was targeted 173 times out of 604 pass attempts this season. That is 28.6%.

Dez was targeted 136 times out of 476 pass attempts in 2014. That is also 28.6%.

How did you come to the conclusion that Dallas was feeding the ball to Jason Witten in 2014? Dez was targeted 46 more times than Witten in 2014. Dez getting 150% more targets than Witten does not look like the offense goes through Witten. Just seems like a bash Witten thread.

Exactly. So teams double both wideouts and then Romo goes back to Witten. It all comes full circle.

 

[Sarge]

The Jets are not afraid to throw the ball and take advantage of today's rules in doing so. Fitzpatrick no less!

 

[CATCH17]

Name me the last SB winner that had 2 big time WRs.

We need another elite WR.


If we didn't have Jason Garrett then we'd be fine with what we have but when you rely on nothing but talent and improvisation from the QB then you need to be stacked everywhere.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Name me the last SB winner that had 2 big time WRs.

Since nobody answered you. The correct answer is : none

I'm not saying its impossible to win with 2 big time Wrs, but you are correct it hasnt been done yet!

 

[Reverend Conehead]

And of course, get over this ideology that depends on so much on "out-talenting" the other team and a little more formation variance to put stress on the defense.

Good point. This offense is too predictable. I would like to see various routes from the same formation, as well as mixed formations as you suggest. For example, if there's a formation from which Dez normally goes deep, he sells that he's going deep, but instead goes into a crossing pattern while the #2 goes deep. And vice versa. I remember Landry's packages always kept defenses guessing. I also don't think this offense did playaction very well.