Jets show us what we need to do on offense

[Alexander]

I also don't think this offense did playaction very well.

That was partially because they did not fear the run enough. I get how we all like to point out the fact the running game did not suffer much numbers wise, but it was pretty clear to tell that running McFadden did not have the same effect as running the same guy at you and mashing your defensive line into submission as we did in 2014.

All it took was simple discipline and a willingness to take chances you could trip up the chicken legs or if not so what. Even if he ripped off 50, he wouldn't score and we would be inept with the passing game inside the red zone.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

That was partially because they did not fear the run enough. I get how we all like to point out the fact the running game did not suffer much numbers wise, but it was pretty clear to tell that running McFadden did not have the same effect as running the same guy at you and mashing your defensive line into submission as we did in 2014.

All it took was simple discipline and a willingness to take chances you could trip up the chicken legs or if not so what. Even if he ripped off 50, he wouldn't score and we would be inept with the passing game inside the red zone.

Yeah, the red zone was a major source of frustration. I think McFadden was a great pickup and ran well for the team. However, once we were in the redzone, defenses knew our passing was inept and that they could just key in on the run. As good as the o-line and McFadden are, they could not hammer through those stacked fronts. If we could have gotten TDs instead of field goals in those numerous situations, we would have had a winning record and would have been the NFC East champs. It was a major sore spot. I think even Murray had stayed, we would have had redzone problems.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, the red zone was a major source of frustration. I think McFadden was a great pickup and ran well for the team. However, once we were in the redzone, defenses knew our passing was inept and that they could just key in on the run. As good as the o-line and McFadden are, they could not hammer through those stacked fronts. If we could have gotten TDs instead of field goals in those numerous situations, we would have had a winning record and would have been the NFC East champs. It was a major sore spot. I think even Murray had stayed, we would have had redzone problems.

With the QBs and poor red zone design, absolutely. Remember in previous years with Romo in his prime, we had some bad red zone issues.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I would like to see what Dez/Williams/Beasley could do if we ever got the idea to bunch them up and run routes out of that bunch formation. The only time we do a trips formation it is going to be a WR to the trips or a slant to the lone WR. It's so predictable that it's painful to watch.

You don't have to run pick plays out of it either. Supposedly Bruce Arians runs the Air Coryell offense and he does this all of the time.

From there, I would be interested in seeing what Williams can do because it's not so much about beating your guy every single time and he has good YAC ability.

Part of the issue I have with trying to take Witten out of the equation is that he's a reliable target when you have to get the ball past the chains and this offense plays better when the TE play is sharp...not only from a pass receiving standpoint, but from a run blocking standpoint. If you go with 4 WR's, then you're taking out the TE altogether. If you just keep Witten in to block, the offense is predictable and now only has 4 receiving options on pass plays instead of 5.

I would like to see Hanna get more time. His blocking has been quite good the past two years and he still runs very well. I would like to think that the only thing missing is his ability to find holes in the zone. Otherwise, I think he could adequately replace Witten at TE.





YR

 

[BlindFaith]

The top 10 offenses for points per drive breakdown like this:

Arizona Cardinals
Carolina Panthers
Seattle Seahawks
New England Patriots
Cincinnati Bengals
New York Giants
New Orleans Saints
Kansas City Chiefs
Pittsburgh Steelers
Washington Commanders

Aside from the cherry picked Cardinals, which of these teams have those two top 5 wideouts?

Who's even Carolina's number 1 wr. Olsen is their main guy and he's a TE?
Seattle has Doug Baldwin and who?
New England has Edelman and Gronk, a tight end again.
Bengals have Green and Eifert, a tight end again.
Giants have ODBJ and no one else.
Saints have Cooks and no one else.
Chiefs have Maclin and no one else.
Steelers have Brown and a couple other nice options, but not top picks or big dollars there.
Commanders have Jordan Reed as their number one in yards. A TE. Pierre Garcon was their leading WR.

So no, we don't need to spend big bucks or high draft choices on a WR. We need Dez to play up to his contract, upgrade Williams with a mid tier guy that can actually catch and add a speed guy.

If anything, replacing Witten with someone who has a shred of athletic ability seems like a much better direction to go in. But why bother. Because they will never, ever, ever replace Witten with anyone. Gronk would be riding the pine if he were here.

 

[DandyDon52]

It isnt that simple, witten knows how to get open when teams dont focus on him.
he is ad libbing on many plays, just finding a open spot.
The problem with dallas is the routes wr have to run, so it isnt always the guy but the scheme and the plays themselves.

Teams kill us with the delayed blitz thru a gap which affects the passing game.

So even if you get jefferys he might not be as good here as he was elsewhere.

 

[DandyDon52]

I would like to see what Dez/Williams/Beasley could do if we ever got the idea to bunch them up and run routes out of that bunch formation. The only time we do a trips formation it is going to be a WR to the trips or a slant to the lone WR. It's so predictable that it's painful to watch.

You don't have to run pick plays out of it either. Supposedly Bruce Arians runs the Air Coryell offense and he does this all of the time.

From there, I would be interested in seeing what Williams can do because it's not so much about beating your guy every single time and he has good YAC ability.

Part of the issue I have with trying to take Witten out of the equation is that he's a reliable target when you have to get the ball past the chains and this offense plays better when the TE play is sharp...not only from a pass receiving standpoint, but from a run blocking standpoint. If you go with 4 WR's, then you're taking out the TE altogether. If you just keep Witten in to block, the offense is predictable and now only has 4 receiving options on pass plays instead of 5.

I would like to see Hanna get more time. His blocking has been quite good the past two years and he still runs very well. I would like to think that the only thing missing is his ability to find holes in the zone. Otherwise, I think he could adequately replace Witten at TE.





YR

So basically be more innovative and do new things, new plays?? Not gonna happen.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Such a silly comment.

I mean for instance the Cardinals are the SB favorites and they have two big time WRs. Two first round guys. You should inform Vegas that they are idiots.

or when Arizona went with Boldin and Fitz

 

[Yakuza Rich]

So basically be more innovative and do new things, new plays?? Not gonna happen.

Either that or we'll go completely overboard in the other direction and then they'll say 'See! We tried to be innovative!'








YR

 

[CowboyRoy]

In 2014 the Jets were 22nd in yards on offense and 28th in points on offense.

This year they jump to 10th in yards and 11th in points.

We still have a better running game than the Jets. We were actually 5th in the league in rushing yards per attempt. Why we didn't run the ball more without a QB, I will never know.

Why were the Jets so successful on offense then?

Because they had two big play wide receivers who were able to combine for 26 touchdowns and 2500 yards receiving.

We desperately need to get away from feeding Witten the ball. We need to feed Bryant the ball more and also take pressure off of him by giving him a true partner out there.

Marshall had 174 targets where as in 2014 Bryant had 138, and Decker had 131 targets, just slightly less than what Dez had in 2014. Jason Witten was our #2 receiver in 2014 with 90 targets, while Williams only had 64 targets.... not a true WR2.

This offense needs to stop operating through its tight ends and running backs... I don't mind some screen passes incorporated into the offense, in fact I would welcome them, but we still need to be pushing the ball down the field.

#1 free agent priority should be to get Alshon Jeffery. The two of them together, especially with a better running game even with just McFadden (but I would love to have Miller), would set this offense up to create the score advantage that would yield good results on defense.

Granted, adding Marshall was big. But the reason that offense took off was the fact that Fitzpatrick came in and played very well at QB for them. And they improved on their defense. Passing games flourish because of QB's not the other way around.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Go get Josh Gordon. We have so many other holes, we have to take some chances in some areas.

We have NO holes at WR. Absolutely, positively none. It is one of the strengths of this team. Talking about drafting a WR with the 4th pick in the draft for any guy that is not Calvin Johnson seems ridiculous. Especially when Romo is all but toast and we have no backup or young signal caller in the wings.

 

[DandyDon52]

Granted, adding Marshall was big. But the reason that offense took off was the fact that Fitzpatrick came in and played very well at QB for them. And they improved on their defense. Passing games flourish because of QB's not the other way around.

they also got a new and better HC, dont forget that little tidbit.

 

[conner01]

I am not understanding the comparison at all. The 2014 Cowboys offense was better than the Jets 2015 offense. Marshall had more targets because the Jets threw the ball 128 more times in 2015 than Dallas did in 2014.

Marshall was targeted 173 times out of 604 pass attempts this season. That is 28.6%.

Dez was targeted 136 times out of 476 pass attempts in 2014. That is also 28.6%.

How did you come to the conclusion that Dallas was feeding the ball to Jason Witten in 2014? Dez was targeted 46 more times than Witten in 2014. Dez getting 150% more targets than Witten does not look like the offense goes through Witten. Just seems like a bash Witten thread.

There ya go with them dang facts again

 

[gimmesix]

Written is this offenses version of the check down Play. He bails the offense and QB out when nothing is open and the 4 second clock is going off in the QB's head. It's not that we are designing plays to feed the ball to Witten or that in any way this is a knock against Witten. If he wasn't in the game you would see our Sack total go way up.

I don't know why this isn't understood. We have deep routes on virtually every pass play. Witten's numbers reflect his ability to get open when those routes are covered well or those receivers can't get open.

Witten does not hamper this offense, he is a cog that keeps it on the field.

I'm all for getting a more dynamic No. 2 receiver to pair with Dez, but that won't mean we don't need Witten or at least at tight end as good as him (and there still aren't that many who are).

 

[khiladi]

Why do people keep bringing up 2014 as the example?

Teams adjust and 2014 looks to be an anomaly in this offense.

We have always had issues with a second receiver, even with Romo. I personally think it's the passing routes.

That being said, If Romo had a speed guy on the other side of Dez, it would probably be a huge matchup advantage and open things up in the middle.. We have these long routes so shortening the time the ball is in the hands of the QB is a good thing..

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Im on the Treadwell train but im on other trains too. Im so excited for this draft

 

[khiladi]

That was partially because they did not fear the run enough. I get how we all like to point out the fact the running game did not suffer much numbers wise, but it was pretty clear to tell that running McFadden did not have the same effect as running the same guy at you and mashing your defensive line into submission as we did in 2014.

All it took was simple discipline and a willingness to take chances you could trip up the chicken legs or if not so what. Even if he ripped off 50, he wouldn't score and we would be inept with the passing game inside the red zone.

No, they just don't do play-action. When Garrett was in charge they hovered around 31 or 32 in use of play-action and even with Romo in 2014, they were I believe upper 20s..

 

[HanD]

Since nobody answered you. The correct answer is : none

I'm not saying its impossible to win with 2 big time Wrs, but you are correct it hasnt been done yet!

Rams with holt and bruce?

 

[Floatyworm]

Memo........to OP

Jets didn't make the playoffs either.

 

[big dog cowboy]

witten knows how to get open when teams dont focus on him.

Teams focus on him every week. He's just one of the best at finding a open area.