JFK assassination– conspiracy or not...

Aikmaniac

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Well, he did a good job. He got me interested in delving into all the theories.

One subplot of JFK involved Clay Shaw and David Ferrie, obviously. I have yet to view any other documentaries which include those men and their involvement in the assassination. This leads me to believe that Stone/Garrison were grasping at straws trying to implement them.
 

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I highly recommend the book Case Closed by Gerald Posner.

The National Geographic movie Killing Kennedy is also well made.

Both give equal attention to Oswald and his story and what led to him killing the president...this is always ignored in the conspiracy theories where Oswald is a fringe player.
 

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Katzenbach's memo, written just three days after the assassination, goes like this:

"It is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy’s Assassination be made public in a way which will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now. The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he had no confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial...Speculation about Oswald's motivation ought to be cut off...Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat—too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.)...We need something to head off public speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort."

Regardless of the events, this was the blueprint for the final report. Also, most of the investigation was done by the FBI, and I for one, find J. Edger Hoover to be a very unreliable source. Influential former top CIA spook Allen Dulles was on the Warren Commision; Dulles, who was acrimoniously fired by Kennedy, and who, in another instance, was happy to find a fall guy to pin a murder on.

Again, they already had their answer before they started up any Warren Commission research. The politically expediant one. And that's the answer the Commission came up with. The right one? Hard to say, as everyone had an interest in covering any tracks other than the 'approved story'.
 

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Katzenbach's memo, written just three days after the assassination, goes like this:

"It is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy’s Assassination be made public in a way which will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now. The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he had no confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial...Speculation about Oswald's motivation ought to be cut off...Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat—too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.)...We need something to head off public speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort."

Regardless of the events, this was the blueprint for the final report. Also, most of the investigation was done by the FBI, and I for one, find J. Edger Hoover to be a very unreliable source. Influential former top CIA spook Allen Dulles was on the Warren Commision; Dulles, who was acrimoniously fired by Kennedy, and who, in another instance, was happy to find a fall guy to pin a murder on.

Again, they already had their answer before they started up any Warren Commission research. The politically expediant one. And that's the answer the Commission came up with. The right one? Hard to say, as everyone had an interest in covering any tracks other than the 'approved story'.

Or Oswald was so obviously quilty.

Think about it for a second. If it were a conspiracy by any of these: the mob, the CIA, the FBI, the industrial military complex, the Cubans, the USSR...why pick Oswald and Ruby? Both has enough in their lives to suggest a link to any of the possibilities. To me the greatest evidence that it is not a conspiracy is how stupid the choice of patsy was.

Oswald's story screams out like an episode of Criminal Minds. Abandoned by his father, abrusive mother, intelligent but poor student, problems with authority, always looking for something to set him apart, making choices for shock value, growing resentment of government, feeling overlooked, not understanding why his greatness was going unrecognized, becoming increasingly abrusive to his wife.

All this leads to the attempted assassination of General Walker...which he agains fails at.

Having Marina all but leave him.

As he reached his breaking point, circumstance entered the picture. He got a job at the SBD, Kennedy was coming to Dallas and the motorcade was passing his work place. Fate joined a sociopath and narcissist with a president in an open car.
 

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what was the motive is the question for Oswald? Was it an order given from authority? Or he did it like Hinkley for no sensible reason/
 

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what was the motive is the question for Oswald? Was it an order given from authority? Or he did it like Hinkley for no sensible reason/

Oswald considered himself a Marxist. He was pro-Castro.

The main motive was Oswald saw himself as a big deal...the world saw him as a nobody. Kennedy was a target of opportunity.
 

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Oswald considered himself a Marxist. He was pro-Castro.

The main motive was Oswald saw himself as a big deal...the world saw him as a nobody. Kennedy was a target of opportunity.

I read an interesting comment made by someone that takes another angle at what you stated...

"If Oswald was born in the Soviet Union then he would have considered himself an 'American'".
 

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If Oswald had not been assassinated by Jack Ruby who had mob connections, perhaps there wouldn't be a conspiracy theory.
 

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Yep. Oswald pulling that off with a single shot bolt action rifle in that time frame is nothing short of miraculous.

the hardest thing about the shots obviously was that he was shooting an actual person and the nerves of that and the situation, the shot itself doesn't seem that miraculous when you stand on the sixth floor looking out the window, or at least the window beside the one he shot from since that one is glassed off.
 

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Oswald qualified marksman at 200 yards without a scope.

The head shot was 266 feet with a 4x scope.

The only reason the first shot missed was he was tracking a moving target that passed under a street light as he fired deflecting the shot down Elm.
 

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Been studying this case for a few years now, and have watched numerous documentaries. Read a few books. Watched the Zapruder film a million times. Watched interviews of eye witnesses accounts, read the autopsy reports, etc. etc.

For awhile I fed into the grossy knoll theory, or at least felt like the head shot came from the front. After more extensive research, I firmly believe the shot came from behind. As others in this thread have pointed out, the autopsy reports and photos clearly point towards the entry wound being from behind. In the Zapruder film you can see the flap of skin hanging off the right side of his face.

But the one question I have about all of it is this: The 2nd shot, "the magic bullet", pierces through the President's back/throat then through Governor Connally's shoulder, through his wrist,and into his thigh. But then the third shot "explodes" on contact when it hits the president in the head. Same gun. Same calibur bullet. How does this happen? I'm no gun expert but I dont think that is common.

The documentary "JFK The Smoking Gun" is really good. It explains the reason why two different impacts were made, and comes to a conclusion that there was a 2nd shooter. 2 different guns. 2 different calibur of bullets. The 3rd shot did not come from the grassy knoll. It came from behind, but it wasnt Oswald. It was a Secret Service Agent who has been pictured holding an AR-15.

Very interesting stuff in this documentary that was aired on the Reelz channel, and I suggest that anyone interested in the JFK assassination to watch it.
 

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Been studying this case for a few years now, and have watched numerous documentaries. Read a few books. Watched the Zapruder film a million times. Watched interviews of eye witnesses accounts, read the autopsy reports, etc. etc.

For awhile I fed into the grossy knoll theory, or at least felt like the head shot came from the front. After more extensive research, I firmly believe the shot came from behind. As others in this thread have pointed out, the autopsy reports and photos clearly point towards the entry wound being from behind. In the Zapruder film you can see the flap of skin hanging off the right side of his face.

But the one question I have about all of it is this: The 2nd shot, "the magic bullet", pierces through the President's back/throat then through Governor Connally's shoulder, through his wrist,and into his thigh. But then the third shot "explodes" on contact when it hits the president in the head. Same gun. Same calibur bullet. How does this happen? I'm no gun expert but I dont think that is common.

The documentary "JFK The Smoking Gun" is really good. It explains the reason why two different impacts were made, and comes to a conclusion that there was a 2nd shooter. 2 different guns. 2 different calibur of bullets. The 3rd shot did not come from the grassy knoll. It came from behind, but it wasnt Oswald. It was a Secret Service Agent who has been pictured holding an AR-15.

Very interesting stuff in this documentary that was aired on the Reelz channel, and I suggest that anyone interested in the JFK assassination to watch it.

They found bullet fragments in the car that matched Oswald's ammo. The round did not explode on contact it actually passed through and put a dent in the chrome around the windshield. A head wound is very different than a wound to the torso.
 

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Been studying this case for a few years now, and have watched numerous documentaries. Read a few books. Watched the Zapruder film a million times. Watched interviews of eye witnesses accounts, read the autopsy reports, etc. etc.

For awhile I fed into the grossy knoll theory, or at least felt like the head shot came from the front. After more extensive research, I firmly believe the shot came from behind. As others in this thread have pointed out, the autopsy reports and photos clearly point towards the entry wound being from behind. In the Zapruder film you can see the flap of skin hanging off the right side of his face.

But the one question I have about all of it is this: The 2nd shot, "the magic bullet", pierces through the President's back/throat then through Governor Connally's shoulder, through his wrist,and into his thigh. But then the third shot "explodes" on contact when it hits the president in the head. Same gun. Same calibur bullet. How does this happen? I'm no gun expert but I dont think that is common.

The documentary "JFK The Smoking Gun" is really good. It explains the reason why two different impacts were made, and comes to a conclusion that there was a 2nd shooter. 2 different guns. 2 different calibur of bullets. The 3rd shot did not come from the grassy knoll. It came from behind, but it wasnt Oswald. It was a Secret Service Agent who has been pictured holding an AR-15.

Very interesting stuff in this documentary that was aired on the Reelz channel, and I suggest that anyone interested in the JFK assassination to watch it.

I saw that show & it was very interesting. The SS stuff was eye opening.
 
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