Jim Zorn - New Commander HC *Merged*

[Skinsmaniac]

I guess for me the bottom line is this. No one knows Zorn better than the Seahawks organization and they let him go. You see Dallas doing that with Garrett? NY with Spagnolo? How bout the Pats with McDaniels? You got a talented guy in the wings, you keep him. The Skins had Greg Williams but they let him walk as well, even after paying him big bucks to come in as the heir apparent. Spin it how you want, but outside Maroon, Black and Yellow country people are shaking their collective heads.

I saw the Dolphins do that with Garrett. I saw the Eagles do that with Spags. Doesn't mean they won't be good head coaches.

 

[Big Dakota]

I saw the Dolphins do that with Garrett. I saw the Eagles do that with Spags. Doesn't mean they won't be good head coaches.

We will see. Glad i'm not you.

 

[Sonny#9]

We will see. Glad i'm not you.

All I can say is "we'll see" (from the end of Charlie Wilson's War).

With Zorn it's very much we'll see. People laughed at the Pats when they hired Bellicheck, people scratched their heads at Philly with Reid, Garrett had 2 total years coaching exp. and did quite well last year. Along those lines there have been several "hot coordinators" that failed completely.

As opposed to people like Fassel, we have no idea what we're getting in Zorn. He could be a complete surprise, he could be a complete dud. We'll see.

Really though, I am just happy to have someone! Finally. And it NOT be Fassel. I actually can have a little hope for next year!

 

[Skinsmaniac]

All I can say is "we'll see" (from the end of Charlie Wilson's War).

With Zorn it's very much we'll see. People laughed at the Pats when they hired Bellicheck, people scratched their heads at Philly with Reid, Garrett had 2 total years coaching exp. and did quite well last year. Along those lines there have been several "hot coordinators" that failed completely.

As opposed to people like Fassel, we have no idea what we're getting in Zorn. He could be a complete surprise, he could be a complete dud. We'll see.

Really though, I am just happy to have someone! Finally. And it NOT be Fassel. I actually can have a little hope for next year!

Well said. It's impossible to feel good because there's really no basis for it, but what uncertainty does give us is hope.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I saw the Dolphins do that with Garrett. I saw the Eagles do that with Spags. Doesn't mean they won't be good head coaches.

You're right, it doesn't. But they weren't hired by NY and Dallas to become HC a couple of weeks after they were brought in to be an OC for the first time ever.

Zorn seems like a great guy but to go from a position coach, who never got promoted and obviously in the last 7 or 8 years never got any interest from other teams to move beyond being a positional coach, to becoming the Headcoach is a stretch of a move, for even the best of coaches.

Unfortunately for Zorn he'll be in over his head, he'll get one year out of this, and he'll be tossed away while Danny Boy attempts, likely in vien once more, to attract a bigger name next year.

This hire smacks of being a desperation hire cause no one else wanted to take the job, outside of I guess Fossel, and apparently Dan didn't want him. I feel for Zorn. Being a first time HC is hard enough. Being a first time HC on a team who is in salary cap hell every single year is brutal. Being the first time HC of a team with the salary cap issues, an idiot owner, and being that owners 15th rated canidate for the job doesn't bode to well for Zorn and his HC future.

 

[Danny White]

I am not spinning anything. I am just relaying what I heard on the special edition of Commanders Radio last night. Kevin Sheehan (the host) reported how surprised he was how "overwhelmingly positive" the feedback was. If you read my posts you will know that I am no homer.

Truth is, we have no idea what kind of head coach he is going to be. Just like we have no idea what kind of head coach Jason Garrett is going to be. I am luke warm on the hire but think the process was ridiculous.

Most of the fans are more relieved than anything that it wasn't Fassel (which I really don't understand to be honest).

You gonna change your user name to "Maroon&Black"?

:laugh2:

 

[AbeBeta]

All the horn tootin you're doing for Zorn, you should be telling the Seattle frtofc. He's a ICON in Seattle, been a QB coach for close to 10yrs on their staff. They know him well but yet they NEVER promoted him to OC or asst. HC. Infact, they skipped over him to give the HC gig next year to Mora Jr. That right there speaks volumes of what Seattle thinks of Zorn. VOLUMES!!!

Actually, it speaks to the fact the Seattle had an outstanding OC in Gil Haskell above him...

 

[Skinsmaniac]

You gonna change your user name to "Maroon&Black"?

:laugh2:

hehehe, that was an inexcusable mistake.

 

[Mansta54]

Actually, it speaks to the fact the Seattle had an outstanding OC in Gil Haskell above him...

Yeah ok, spin it how ever you wish..

 

[AbeBeta]

Yeah ok, spin it how ever you wish..

or you can just do the tired sports radio "snyder is an idiot" angle.

 

[SultanOfSix]

or you can just do the tired sports radio "snyder is an idiot" angle.

Yeah, because firing two guys who have tons more experience at higher levels (Williams and Saunders) and hiring the guy you brought in as the OC and then promoting him as the HC less than a few weeks later when a HC candidate couldn't be found shows the opposite.

 

[Mansta54]

Yeah, because firing two guys who have tons more experience at higher levels (Williams and Saunders) and hiring the guy you brought in as the OC and then promoting him as the HC less than a few weeks later when a HC candidate couldn't be found shows the opposite.

Thank you!!!

 

[Sonny#9]

You're right, it doesn't. But they weren't hired by NY and Dallas to become HC a couple of weeks after they were brought in to be an OC for the first time ever.

Was Garrett considered for the Cowboys HC last year? Or was it just OC? I thought he was at least in consideration. I could be wrong.

Zorn seems like a great guy but to go from a position coach, who never got promoted and obviously in the last 7 or 8 years never got any interest from other teams to move beyond being a positional coach, to becoming the Headcoach is a stretch of a move, for even the best of coaches.

Several have done it -- not saying he will do it -- but the Ravens did the same thing, hiring Harbaugh who hadn't been a DC anywhere. Reid was QBs coach in GB, etc. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen.

Unfortunately for Zorn he'll be in over his head, he'll get one year out of this, and he'll be tossed away while Danny Boy attempts, likely in vien once more, to attract a bigger name next year.

I think it'll be at least 3. Snyder as at least learned SOME patience from Gibbs. Hence the 32 day coaching search. I am all for due diligence...but that was a bit ridiculous!

This hire smacks of being a desperation hire cause no one else wanted to take the job, outside of I guess Fossel, and apparently Dan didn't want him.

Unfortunately, I agree -- Zorn was the last man standing. But after Spags turned them down, he was the best option available. I still think they should have stuck with Williams.

I feel for Zorn. Being a first time HC is hard enough. Being a first time HC on a team who is in salary cap hell every single year is brutal. Being the first time HC of a team with the salary cap issues, an idiot owner, and being that owners 15th rated canidate for the job doesn't bode to well for Zorn and his HC future.

Cap hell every year? I can't agree with that. I don't particularly like the way Snyder runs things -- but "cap hell" results in a full on roster purge. Several noted skins-bashers in the media have stated that the Skins cap situation is not as bad as it seems on the surface and can get about $10 million under the cap with only cutting Brunell, Daniels and Lloyd. (I'll try and find the link and edit it in later)

Hopefully Zorn will work out and give the Skins a long, long tenure.

 

[odog422]

or you can just do the tired sports radio "snyder is an idiot" angle.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and Zorn, may, eventually work out. But when your new head coach, who was just hired two weeks earlier as an assistant, says in his opening press conference he was just offered the head job 3 days earlier, the one he did not seek or interview intially for, that smacks of a chicken-with-its-head-cut-off front office.

As for your "tired" angle, perhaps if Snyder did something on occasion that followed some sort of logic, or better still, produced some sort of positive results, the angle would die.

Though it may grate you, or run contrary to your opinion, the proof is in the pudding. And since that tends to upset a lot of folks who want better things for their franchise, they tend to keep talking about it. And fans like myself of the Boys, continue to laugh at the idiocy.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yeah, because firing two guys who have tons more experience at higher levels (Williams and Saunders) and hiring the guy you brought in as the OC and then promoting him as the HC less than a few weeks later when a HC candidate couldn't be found shows the opposite.

As I've pointed out before since Snyder took over, the Skins have 2 fewer regular season wins than Dallas. Synder has taken their franchise and made it the most valuable in the league. Oh yeah, they actually won a playoff game whereas we didn't.

Had another team made a move like this there would be tons of folks talking about how great it was and how it was smart to pull off the band aid all at once and take the team in a new direction rather than hire a retread.

But since it is Snyder people just fall back on repeating the same tired sports talk radio crap.

The fact is the Snyder had the sack to pull off what Jerry couldn't bring himself to do last year with Garrett.

 

[AbeBeta]

As for your "tired" angle, perhaps if Snyder did something on occasion that followed some sort of logic, or better still, produced some sort of positive results, the angle would die.

As I've noted the Skins have been as good as, if not better than, Dallas since taking over (2 fewer regular season wins but 1 playoff win to our none) -- add in what he's done for the value of the team and it is hard to argue that he hasn't produced some positive results.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Watch what the Value of the Cowboys becomes after the new stadium opens.

 

[SultanOfSix]

As I've pointed out before since Snyder took over, the Skins have 2 fewer regular season wins than Dallas. Synder has taken their franchise and made it the most valuable in the league. Oh yeah, they actually won a playoff game whereas we didn't.

Had another team made a move like this there would be tons of folks talking about how great it was and how it was smart to pull off the band aid all at once and take the team in a new direction rather than hire a retread.

But since it is Snyder people just fall back on repeating the same tired sports talk radio crap.

The fact is the Snyder had the sack to pull off what Jerry couldn't bring himself to do last year with Garrett.

Snyder built a stadium. That's what made it the most valuable franchise in the league, which it no longer is. As soon as the new stadium gets built in Texas, the Cowboys will be the most valuable franchise in the league. If you want to be selective with your criteria when making a comparison between the Cowboy organization and the Commander organization and their head honchos, I can do that as well.

In the 10 years that Snyder has led the team, they have zero SBs. Within seven years of owning the Cowboys, JJ won 3 SBs, turning the team around from the worst team in the league to the best in a mere four years.

This overrating of playoff win makes you sound like a ES homer.

This isn't a great move. What's so great about it? A guy who's been a career position coach that no one considered him for a higher level position than that, or no one has really heard of him being considered for one, makes this a great move?

Comparising a move by Snyder to a non-move by Jerry isn't even applicable. There's nothing to compare without results.

 

[superpunk]

Snyder didn't build FedEx field. Cooke built it, and named it Jack Kent Cooke stadium.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Snyder didn't build FedEx field. Cooke built it, and named it Jack Kent Cooke stadium.

Well then, I even gave him more credit than he deserved.