Jimmy Johnson - Only one thing left to say

[BoysForLife]

And what championships has Jerry won since the team Jimmy built went away? They were stronger together. Both stepped on each other's toes and both were at fault for Jimmy leaving. Don't pretend Jimmy never did anything for Jerry. He helped build the multi-billion franchise when it was at its lowest. Jerry played a huge part too, of course. But the Cowboys record since their last SB appearance says it all. Jerry needs someone who isn't a yes man and will tell him no. Jerry doesn't like that but it's what he needs and what the team needs. Jimmy was right to try to keep Jerry's circus out of the locker room. Jimmy should have respected Jerry more as owner.

I think only a complete moron blames one side completely. Both men were successes before the Cowboys. It's not like one made the other.

Pretty solid take right here

 

[nobody]

And you're still here! Lol!

Your point? The Cowboys existed before Jerry was owner and they'll exist after he's six feet under. I'm not a fan of Jerry. I'm a fan of the Cowboys.

You can be a Jerry fan all you want. You can worship the ground he walks on for all I care, but don't pretend it was all on Jimmy. They both made that bed.

 

[acr731]

Never met him....but I met Jerry and had a couple of beers with him. He's the real deal. Have you ever met him?

I think it's best I never meet him. Wouldn't want to either.

 

[CCBoy]

He built that roster.

Hero worship turned up...he had lot's of players that were also acquired and no where were kept around as well...as the man stated, who paid for all of that? He didn't stutter and your ears don't over lap. Jerry paid for the entire price growing upon a loss of a $1M each and every month. Jimmy wanted to be GM? How?

 

[CCBoy]

Not following you.... Are you saying you played or coached in the NFL?

He knows the effects of a coach and leadership on play. He also knows how success comes into a picture. You are looking for a glorified hero worship instead of listening....email Bill Bellichick and tell him YOU are floundering here with a Hillbilly hero worship thingy now. Ask him to give you what you are already basing your values upon. Who is most at disadvantage today then, smart guy...Dallas or Detroit. Same directions to right now? And that even is not a 'true' picture of either team!!

 

[Beast_from_East]

Dammmm, time now to dust off my VHS tapes and look for a tape player at some swap meet or antique shop.

HOW 'BOUT DEM COWBOYS!!!!

I was cleaning out my garage last week and I have an entire box full of old VHS tapes, including the official Cowboy SB editions from the 90s, all three of them.

My 5 yr old daughter looked at the tapes and said "daddy, where is the cord to plug them into the computer".

Dam, that made me feel old as hell

 

[CCBoy]

Jerrys money and Jimmys brains. Jerry has more money but the brains are gone!

Christ, Jimmy called for all to be focused upon the job he had for them on the field. They gave their all for his mission, they played. There was no room for lack of then and there focus or hard work.

 

[CCBoy]

Never met him....but I met Jerry and had a couple of beers with him. He's the real deal. Have you ever met him?

He never gives less than all for the good of his team. All long journeys have many mistakes...but one can live with a real heart and concern on that journey. But belly aching 'fans.'

 

[CCBoy]

Jerry paid for it!

And the over 50 players added, despite the very intense player releases both on roster and staff for a very quick turn over. That took a very intense player processing to acquire and Jerry gambling all for success. Own the requirements or stick to hero worship. It was good as long as each Jimmy's team lasted.

 

[Sarge]

To suggest Jimmy was less than a good coach is laughable. Would one say the same thing about Bill Belichick because of his less than stellar record with the Browns? Shortsighted to say the least.

 

[CCBoy]

He must have really done you wrong.... Maybe you asked for a job and he told you to get lost?

Jimmy was in it for his own vanity and rewards...coaching he dominate and demand complete obeyance of...but not on the franchise. He was good at psychology of leading his players...not in maintaining a franchise and it's longevity. He was lucky never to be a Head Coach for a team such as with Harvard now.

 

[CCBoy]

To suggest Jimmy was less than a good coach is laughable. Would one say the same thing about Bill Belichick because of his less than stellar record with the Browns? Shortsighted to say the least.

Jimmy was good when limited to coaching. He didn't have insights into running the franchise beyond piecing together his team, then and there. He floundered when his methods went beyond short windows for change.

Oh, he was a strong coach for a winning group. Maintaining that very group was on a time constraint although. Coach, yes. GM/owner, NO.

 

[Sarge]

Jimmy was good when limited to coaching. He didn't have insights into running the franchise beyond piecing together his team, then and there. He floundered when his methods went beyond short windows for change.

Oh, he was a strong coach for a winning group. Maintaining that very group was on a time constraint although. Coach, yes. GM/owner, NO.

I said “good coach”…I said nothing about GM/owner because it’s completely irrelevant.

 

[acr731]

Jimmy was in it for his own vanity and rewards...

And Jerry isn't?

 

[CCBoy]

I said “good coach”…I said nothing about GM/owner because it’s completely irrelevant.

There are plenty of good coaches and and are cherry picking trying to cover up the negatives as well. Very relevant because he burned up his own invitation to do just that...coach. You have hero woship instead of analysis...and the whole picture is very relevant, even if one wishes to be wrong in a true discussion. YOU can't get away hiding a full and truthful picture.

No one has ever argued that he was not a good coach...not even Miami. What you cover up, is where the line was where he started to fail and for what reasons. Five years....move. Five years...move. Five years...move. Good coaching the reason? Or some other reason that he couldn't keep in hand because of other human nature reasons?

You can say no all you wish...the truth doesn't up and hide. It wasn't for coaching there was conflict...it was a changing environment that was the cause. That went beyond power on the field.

 

[Whyjerry]

To suggest Jimmy was less than a good coach is laughable. Would one say the same thing about Bill Belichick because of his less than stellar record with the Browns? Shortsighted to say the least.

I am arguing with a clown on another thread about BB. Apparently anyone could have won a SB with Brady.

 

[Mannix]

I still remember Kelvin Martin’s punt return for a TD in Philly that locked up their playoff birth in 1991….I started shaking and sobbing like a little girl.

 

[CCBoy]

Jerrys money and Jimmys brains. Jerry has more money but the brains are gone!

The game and type of players have changed. They all enter all ready invested in money. There now is a chap and management of both talent and cash is the dominant element in the sport. The Head Coach is the factor that stands out is the dominant feature. A complete educated as well as control of team focus is the most important aspect to today's NFL results. The GM is the most important element to length of team projection in stability.

This takes a quality coach and franchise control of cap. A head coach such as Bellichick now, and Jimmy back in the early 90's could mold a top team.

Today, it takes a top rated Scouting section working strongly with the Coaching group to be a winner.

Jerry is not now any part of a carry over problem. It is further not the result of Jimmy forcing his own departure.

One can cry all he wishes for missing a point in the past...but that still doesn't change the current facts or justify missing just that point in time and blame missing that on today's conditions. That is called living in the past and not appreciating it with all the stereotyped whipping boy approach.

Catch up to the game or when all is just insulting return...for non-current causes, That isn't part today's culture as well. Just who does one expect to suck up to stereotyping instead of real evaluations. Really think all crowds are controlled by a Harvard President?

 

[Sarge]

There are plenty of good coaches and and are cherry picking trying to cover up the negatives as well. Very relevant because he burned up his own invitation to do just that...coach. You have hero woship instead of analysis...and the whole picture is very relevant, even if one wishes to be wrong in a true discussion. YOU can't get away hiding a full and truthful picture.

No one has ever argued that he was not a good coach...not even Miami. What you cover up, is where the line was where he started to fail and for what reasons. Five years....move. Five years...move. Five years...move. Good coaching the reason? Or some other reason that he couldn't keep in hand because of other human nature reasons?

You can say no all you wish...the truth doesn't up and hide. It wasn't for coaching there was conflict...it was a changing environment that was the cause. That went beyond power on the field.

People on this very forum have argued Jimmy was not a good coach. That was my point that was apparently lost on you.

 

[CCBoy]

People on this very forum have argued Jimmy was not a good coach. That was my point that was apparently lost on you.

You are so full of yourself. I just explained my perspective, he was good as a coach, but that wasn't all that was involved. As is often ignored by you - nothing on detail was lost on this side of discussion, I've never argued that he was not a good coach...never. Hey, you definitely like your own views, whether all on fact or not. Good as a coach, That never was a point of contention...I'm not puckering up to state that, although.

You saying he's good or just your view on limitations to that view on it is?