Jimmy Johnson - Only one thing left to say

[CCBoy]

You are so full of yourself. I just explained my perspective, he was good as a coach, but that wasn't all that was involved. As is often ignored by you - nothing on detail was lost on this side of discussion, I've never argued that he was not a good coach...never. Hey, you definitely like your own views, whether all on fact or not. Good as a coach, That never was a point of contention...I'm not puckering up to state that, although.

You saying he's good or just your view on limitations to that view on it is?

I'm not your whipping boy for anyone else's possible view...only for what I do so state. I won't pay someone else's bills...for the record.

Oh, I get it. I didn't say good strong enough to mean your good definition. Really? Good.

And GM was in contention and the reason why Jimmy left. He wanted both the power and glory of GM when that wasn't offered or on the table in Dallas. If you don't admit that then that opinion is biased as well as old hero worship.

 

[McKDaddy]

No....I mean it.

Must be more to the story.

 

[McKDaddy]

Jerry hired Jimmy and got him the players.......what did Jimmy do when he quit and went to Miami?

So weird. Jimmy made all the personnel decisions in the early years. If Jerry had never gotten publicly involved in the FA side later and gotten all the press for it, he might never have gotten hooked on the limelight and let the man do his job.

 

[Sarge]

You are so full of yourself. I just explained my perspective, he was good as a coach, but that wasn't all that was involved. As is often ignored by you - nothing on detail was lost on this side of discussion, I've never argued that he was not a good coach...never. Hey, you definitely like your own views, whether all on fact or not. Good as a coach, That never was a point of contention...I'm not puckering up to state that, although.

You saying he's good or just your view on limitations to that view on it is?

Where did I say you said he was not a good coach? i think your eggnog is spoiled.

 

[CCBoy]

Must be more to the story.

From a successful former coach, that would be a safe assumption. Jimmy tried to force power and claim of ownership for success to be also the GM. That part of the franchise wasn't on sale and he was later fired. That could have been a real reason to make such a disloyal reference. He had a role and it took the whole organization to be successful. That might have been a reason as well.

He doesn't see, possibly, in rewriting history incorrectly as to morales and ethics. A good coach is a good coach...not the only elements in an organization.

Besides, he didn't once rush into a blazing well head or pay the bills to be the only referenced as hero.

 

[CCBoy]

Where did I say you said he was not a good coach? i think your eggnog is spoiled.

Argue with yourself on your collection of mis applied reasons. You are full of insult...so?
YOU drinking too much in season? That approach is full of insult as well as no where applied but by yourself. So, you think he was good.


Being GOOD - How did that get him fired?



Answer the question offered, or just insult someone else. You going for a discussion or something else, now?

 

[blueblood70]

Watch the latest episode of Hangin’ With the Boys. Nate Newton lets us in on why things really fell apart between Jimmy and Jerry. Nate says the two of them were a team, thick as thieves, together all the time, talking about everything. When they won, Jerry just wanted a little piece, but Jimmy wanted it all, according to Nate, who loves Jimmy. Jimmy always said repeatedly that a coach should never stay anywhere more than 5 years. Jimmy gave up everything. That’s why the Ring of Honor means so much to him. His marriage failed. He was estranged from his own parents and his kids. If they came to town, he told his parents he’d see them after the game. If his kids came to see him, sorry, got to work. See you later. He was miserable because he had nothing else at the time. Since getting out of coaching, losing his parents, he is now close with his kids and cherishes sharing his success and legacy with them because now he sees the importance of family and wants them to share in what he sacrificed so much to achieve.

As Nate says, you can both admire him for his accomplishments in football while also recognizing his human errors in placing it above everyone in his life.

Jimmy and Jerry had a falling out, but Jerry gave Jimmy what he wanted when it started and when it ended. They had a great friendship and bond, and they still do.

It's pretty common knowledge that this was not on Jerry it was a 50-50 thing they parted ways it was going to happen anyway...

Jimmy Johnson is literally like bill Parcells,, he wasn't going to stay around very long, anybody who thinks this was going to end up like New England and Bill Belichick just did not understand the dynamic of the head coach and Jimmy Johnson. he wanted to leave he needed a new challenge just like bill Parcells who didn't stay here long enough to finish anything either ,

BUT hey blame Jerry, that's the easy thing for thios fanbase but we all know that these types of coaches burnout easy and need a new challenge and there's no way that Jimmy Johnson was going to stay past let's just say 1998 and I don't believe he doesn't win any more Super Bowls than Barry Switzer did with the same team..

you know why because Jimmy knew once all his players left, they were retiring , they were injured, they were old he was leaving as well..

there is no way he was staying to try and reset this team given also the fact how free agency was changing, the salary cap the league was changing, in front of everyone and yet all we do is blame Jerry Jimmy had everything to do with it as well. Let's be honest there was no more Herschel Walker trades coming it was the end of an era whether Jimmy stayed three more seasons or switched mocked it up for him with his players it was gonna all end the same around the same time and I don't think history would have changed I don't think there's a curse I don't think anything everybody's been saying for 28 years blaming Jerry for the break up as if something better was going to come had they not broke up had simply Jimmy retired in 1998.. Seriously all these narratives for for all these decades have been wrong in my opinion we all know how it would have went and yet we still just want to blame Jerry...

Nate Newton would know as much and it sounds like this is more of a Jimmy thing it was jimmy's ego that bumped heads with Jerry's ego but Jimmy wouldn't let it go that was his boss and that's how the blow up happened at the restaurant and the rest is history but either way the blame is not on Jerry Jones solely it was a mutual parting of ways and it was gonna happen anyway...

 

[CCBoy]

I am arguing with a clown on another thread about BB. Apparently anyone could have won a SB with Brady.

You are soooooooo smart.

 

[Sarge]

Argue with yourself on your collection of mis applied reasons. You are full of insult...so?
YOU drinking too much in season? That approach is full of insult as well as no where applied but by yourself. So, you think he was good.


Being GOOD - How did that get him fired?



Answer the question offered, or just insult someone else. You going for a discussion or something else, now?

Happy New Year!

 

[CCBoy]

Now, the real question here, today, is how many plays on the average, does it cost Dallas after a 15 yard penalty during a drive...15 plays to get back where it was for a game changing play? Put two of those in a half and what real chance does a second half change does it really present against a good team? Much? Start out the first half with the first game changing play and Dallas is in the game against all good teams. Same has applied for the past two seasons against San Francisco as well.

Dallas can be in it against any team with a first game changer. That applies on both sides of the ball.

 

[GORICO]

I really miss those days…..

Jimmy put fear of God in players...they did not mess up and dare face the wrath of Jimmy....big Mike is everyones buddy...this is why we continue pre-snap penalties and other stupid penalties....big Mike probably hugs them afterward....i miss those days too....i remember 31 years ago sitting at a friends house
watching NFC champ game at candlestick park of 92 season....i think it was 31-20 we won or something like that....that is where we get "How Bout Dem Cowboys" from Jimmy in lockerroom afterward

 

[GORICO]

Happy New Year!

Sarge---there we go...get the good profile pic back in place

 

[GORICO]

Any coach could have one with that roster. Jimmy was spoiled and ungrateful. I don't care to bow down to him.

Ranching---but Jimmy developed that roster by trading Walker to Minnesota and then picking right players from draft.....seems you may have forgotten that????

 

[mrmojo]

All I know is what Jimmy did for the Cowboys and they wouldn't have the 3 SBs in the 90s without him.

The hate for those 99s teams on this forum is unbelievable, Troy gets it because any QB could have done it with t hat talent, Emmitt gets it because he ran behind that great offensive line and on and on.. ..

Idk Jimmy from Adam but he brought me a lot of great memories as a Cowboy fan......thank you Coach.

 

[GORICO]

Classic. That was the good old days. I hated Buddy but still that made me laugh

i loved the coaches back then...they were not so worried acting politcally correct.....now a day....its all gone down hill....except i still believe Cowboys can pull it off

OK percentage wise...not in 90 percentile range....but even single digits good enough for me

 

[BoysForLife]

i loved the coaches back then...they were not so worried acting politcally correct.....now a day....its all gone down hill....except i still believe Cowboys can pull it off

OK percentage wise...not in 90 percentile range....but even single digits good enough for me

I don't share your enthusiasm for the present time but I certainly do share your nostalgia for the good old days

 

[GORICO]

Now, the real question here, today, is how many plays on the average, does it cost Dallas after a 15 yard penalty during a drive...15 plays to get back where it was for a game changing play? Put two of those in a half and what real chance does a second half change does it really present against a good team? Much? Start out the first half with the first game changing play and Dallas is in the game against all good teams. Same has applied for the past two seasons against San Francisco as well.

Dallas can be in it against any team with a first game changer. That applies on both sides of the ball.

CC----see if we had Jimmy he put fear of God in those players and none of either dumb penalties or pre-snap penalties occur...but another thing is the refs are not

near as good these days either....they miss so much....then they seem to overcompensate when replay shown on big screen...oh we owe them...and it just makes

all objective officiating worse

It was. No way he'd do that to someone like #88. LOL Jimmy was great at singling out the right guys.

Although you wouldn't see #88 sitting on the sidelines like that no matter what ailment he had.

Vaquero---you are correct it was a kicker

 

[GORICO]

I don't share your enthusiasm for the present time but I certainly do share your nostalgia for the good old days

BoysForLife---- i hear you .... but i ensure i let everyone know i am a HOMER

 

[Steve007]

Hero worship turned up...he had lot's of players that were also acquired and no where were kept around as well...as the man stated, who paid for all of that? He didn't stutter and your ears don't over lap. Jerry paid for the entire price growing upon a loss of a $1M each and every month. Jimmy wanted to be GM? How?

Jerry is a good businessman just not a good GM.

 

[Steve007]

The game and type of players have changed. They all enter all ready invested in money. There now is a chap and management of both talent and cash is the dominant element in the sport. The Head Coach is the factor that stands out is the dominant feature. A complete educated as well as control of team focus is the most important aspect to today's NFL results. The GM is the most important element to length of team projection in stability.

This takes a quality coach and franchise control of cap. A head coach such as Bellichick now, and Jimmy back in the early 90's could mold a top team.

Today, it takes a top rated Scouting section working strongly with the Coaching group to be a winner.

Jerry is not now any part of a carry over problem. It is further not the result of Jimmy forcing his own departure.

One can cry all he wishes for missing a point in the past...but that still doesn't change the current facts or justify missing just that point in time and blame missing that on today's conditions. That is called living in the past and not appreciating it with all the stereotyped whipping boy approach.

Catch up to the game or when all is just insulting return...for non-current causes, That isn't part today's culture as well. Just who does one expect to suck up to stereotyping instead of real evaluations. Really think all crowds are controlled by a Harvard President?

Jerry is the problem