John Clayton on EE suspension

[Trouty]

Yes, we know.

Now you will have to explain what he did. And no, you cannot just give someone a suspension for no reason, Goodell also has people to answer to. So again, what exactly has Zeke done?

Every time I ask this, it seems people go silent or deflect.

Preach, Matty, brother!!!

(yes, I know you hate "Matty" )

 

[Western]

One more time... Conduct detrimental does not have to equate with a crime or even being charged with a crime. It is whatever is deemed so by the Commissioner. Just like a
4 game suspension for the greatest QB of all time, the Boss can slap a 4 game suspension on EE anytime he feels like it. EE can take it to court but, in the end he will have to
serve the suspension if he wants to play in the league. Might not be fair but, that is the CBA and the power bestowed by the 32 owners.

On appeal from a U.S. District court, a Federal Appeals Court can uphold that lower court's ruling that a suspension/imposition of discipline should be vacated (i.e., the suspension is outside the scope of the CBA).

The CBA grants a player the right to appeal a suspension/discipline in an appeal hearing. When Goodell, acting in is capacity as arbitrator, relies on false & unproven conduct for the disciplinary action after the appeal hearing concludes, Goodell undermines fair notice for which the NFLPA bargained, deprives the player of an opportunity to confront the case against him, and it follows, exceeds Goodell's limited authority under the CBA to decide appeals of disciplinary decisions.

The CBA vests Goodell with exceptional discretion to impose discipline for conduct detrimental, but it checks that power by allowing the player to challenge discipline through an appeal.
In deciding the appeal, the arbitrator (Goodell) may decide whether the misconduct charged actually occurred, whether it was actually "detrimental" to the League, and whether the penalty imposed is permissible under the CBA.
But the arbitrator, has no authority to base his decision on alleged misconduct that is unsubstantiated, & unsupported by evidence. When he does so, the arbitrator goes beyond his limited authority, and the award of the suspension should be vacated.

EE can argue: 1) unfair, unreasonable, & unprecedented standard of proof to EE of both his potential discipline and his alleged misconduct, 2) denial of the opportunity for EE to examine information complied by NFL's domestic violence lead investigator Lisa Friel, and 3) denial of equal access to investigate files, including witness interview notes.

How can EE be disciplined/suspended for detrimental conduct that never occurred?

So EE can take it to court, and by a legal ruling win in court, and hence he can play in the League and not serve a suspension.

 

[erod]

A suspension would result in a high-profile court appeal that would drag for months and dominate the news.

That would be a huge distraction that would likely doom the season.

That's what Mara wants.

 

[diefree666]

A suspension would result in a high-profile court appeal that would drag for months and dominate the news.

That would be a huge distraction that would likely doom the season.

That's what Mara wants.

did not seem to hurt the pats all that much. THAT is just an excuse to lie down and let the NFL do what it wants.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

did not seem to hurt the pats all that much. THAT is just an excuse to lie down and let the NFL do what it wants.

We are not the Pats. Nobody is. They are what we used to be.

 

[diefree666]

We are not the Pats. Nobody is. They are what we used to be.

yeah in winning consistency. No other way.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

yeah in winning consistency. No other way.

That's the only thing that matters.

 

[diefree666]

That's the only thing that matters.

if you really believe that then I feel sorry for you

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

if you really believe that then I feel sorry for you

Don't feel sorry for me. I'm fine.

 

[aria]

I'm not even worried about it. Based on what we know, I don't think anything will come of it. If new information comes out then perhaps he deserves it but until then I don't see the problem.

Even if he is suspended for a game or two, so be it, we'll be fine. With our o line we can use almost any RB and have success. Not as much success as Zeke obviously but certainly enough to win games. Plus we still have a great qb and anove average receivers. Although I do wish the NFL would get this over with, people are making too big of a deal of it.

 

[Nightman]

One more time... Conduct detrimental does not have to equate with a crime or even being charged with a crime. It is whatever is deemed so by the Commissioner. Just like a
4 game suspension for the greatest QB of all time, the Boss can slap a 4 game suspension on EE anytime he feels like it. EE can take it to court but, in the end he will have to
serve the suspension if he wants to play in the league. Might not be fair but, that is the CBA and the power bestowed by the 32 owners.

you are just making that up...... they have a CBA that spells it out clearly....they have precedence, case law and rule of the shop they have to abide by........Goodell DOES NOT have carte blanche

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

As long as Goodell makes this league(and players) boat loads of money and there isn't more national negative news with regards to the league like the Ray Rice incident where Sponsors cut ties with the league, he isn't going anywhere, regardless of the constant whining of Cowboy fans who think their team is so unfairly sanctioned...

Anybody can make money for the league. The NFL is the most popular sports league. Pete Rozelle is the one who brought it into the big leagues. All Goodell had to do was steer the ship.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Whatever..

I love Zeke but he lacks maturity.

In a nutshell!

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Well then there was a lot of immaturity on those 90's teams then.

 

[Nightman]

On appeal from a U.S. District court, a Federal Appeals Court can uphold that lower court's ruling that a suspension/imposition of discipline should be vacated (i.e., the suspension is outside the scope of the CBA).

The CBA grants a player the right to appeal a suspension/discipline in an appeal hearing. When Goodell, acting in is capacity as arbitrator, relies on false & unproven conduct for the disciplinary action after the appeal hearing concludes, Goodell undermines fair notice for which the NFLPA bargained, deprives the player of an opportunity to confront the case against him, and it follows, exceeds Goodell's limited authority under the CBA to decide appeals of disciplinary decisions.

The CBA vests Goodell with exceptional discretion to impose discipline for conduct detrimental, but it checks that power by allowing the player to challenge discipline through an appeal.
In deciding the appeal, the arbitrator (Goodell) may decide whether the misconduct charged actually occurred, whether it was actually "detrimental" to the League, and whether the penalty imposed is permissible under the CBA.
But the arbitrator, has no authority to base his decision on alleged misconduct that is unsubstantiated, & unsupported by evidence. When he does so, the arbitrator goes beyond his limited authority, and the award of the suspension should be vacated.

EE can argue: 1) unfair, unreasonable, & unprecedented standard of proof to EE of both his potential discipline and his alleged misconduct, 2) denial of the opportunity for EE to examine information complied by NFL's domestic violence lead investigator Lisa Friel, and 3) denial of equal access to investigate files, including witness interview notes.

How can EE be disciplined/suspended for detrimental conduct that never occurred?

So EE can take it to court, and by a legal ruling win in court, and hence he can play in the League and not serve a suspension.

this x1000

 

[LittleD]

On appeal from a U.S. District court, a Federal Appeals Court can uphold that lower court's ruling that a suspension/imposition of discipline should be vacated (i.e., the suspension is outside the scope of the CBA).

The CBA grants a player the right to appeal a suspension/discipline in an appeal hearing. When Goodell, acting in is capacity as arbitrator, relies on false & unproven conduct for the disciplinary action after the appeal hearing concludes, Goodell undermines fair notice for which the NFLPA bargained, deprives the player of an opportunity to confront the case against him, and it follows, exceeds Goodell's limited authority under the CBA to decide appeals of disciplinary decisions.

The CBA vests Goodell with exceptional discretion to impose discipline for conduct detrimental, but it checks that power by allowing the player to challenge discipline through an appeal.
In deciding the appeal, the arbitrator (Goodell) may decide whether the misconduct charged actually occurred, whether it was actually "detrimental" to the League, and whether the penalty imposed is permissible under the CBA.
But the arbitrator, has no authority to base his decision on alleged misconduct that is unsubstantiated, & unsupported by evidence. When he does so, the arbitrator goes beyond his limited authority, and the award of the suspension should be vacated.

EE can argue: 1) unfair, unreasonable, & unprecedented standard of proof to EE of both his potential discipline and his alleged misconduct, 2) denial of the opportunity for EE to examine information complied by NFL's domestic violence lead investigator Lisa Friel, and 3) denial of equal access to investigate files, including witness interview notes.

How can EE be disciplined/suspended for detrimental conduct that never occurred?

So EE can take it to court, and by a legal ruling win in court, and hence he can play in the League and not serve a suspension.

Of course they can all appeal all the way to the Supreme Court which mostly sides with business. Gorsuch always sides with business. You lose my friend. Oh and that will take at least 2 years to work through the courts.

 

[LittleD]

Yes, we know.

Now you will have to explain what he did. And no, you cannot just give someone a suspension for no reason, Goodell also has people to answer to. So again, what exactly has Zeke done?

Every time I ask this, it seems people go silent or deflect.

He lifted a woman's shirt in public which was filmed on video. That is detrimental to NFL interests of attracting women to football. Advertisers don't like such behavior.

 

[mattjames2010]

He lifted a woman's shirt in public which was filmed on video. That is detrimental to NFL interests of attracting women to football. Advertisers don't like such behavior.

.....and where have you read the league is looking into this?

 

[aria]

Well then there was a lot of immaturity on those 90's teams then.

And the 80's were worse than the 90's (for football player etiquette in general). The NFL's rules and policies have clearly changed a lot since the 90's and with the social media devices out there today the players should and need to act more mature.

 

[Nightman]

He lifted a woman's shirt in public which was filmed on video. That is detrimental to NFL interests of attracting women to football. Advertisers don't like such behavior.

Yeah the NFL hates it