John Clayton on EE suspension

bkight13 said:
that is why you are out.......no loyalty
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Lol, ok chief. I'm out then. I would normally argue with you but I can already see it's pointless. I'm actually having real conversations with reasonable people although we have different opinions. You're "logic" is whacked...get it Marlon?
 
LittleD said:
I'm sorry but, the NFL does not have to be careful here. They have tons of lawyers to take this through the courts if necessary and once it get to the Supreme Court if it does, EE will be serving his suspension should one be issued by the Commissioner. The Supreme Court routinely sides with Business on workplace rules and the power granted to the league by the CBA. It's EE that needs to be humble and extremely careful about his actions.
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How can you be so wrong everyday?

EE won't serve a suspension while he appeals...... that is the whole point

If it goes to the SCOTUS he will play the whole time and the NFLPA will back him 100% and the courts will eventually rule in his favor because he has a CBA, precedence and the Rule of the Shop on his side

Goodell can waste everyone's time and money but the Courts don't take kindly to repeating themselves and Goodell has been repeatedly overturned recently.... Brady probably would have prevailed and had 2 or 3 games knocked off if he kept up his appeal but he just wanted closure
 
bkight13 said:
How can you be so wrong everyday?

EE won't serve a suspension while he appeals...... that is the whole point

If it goes to the SCOTUS he will play the whole time and the NFLPA will back him 100% and the courts will eventually rule in his favor because he has a CBA, precedence and the Rule of the Shop on his side

Goodell can waste everyone's time and money but the Courts don't take kindly to repeating themselves and Goodell has been repeatedly overturned recently.... Brady probably would have prevailed and had 2 or 3 games knocked off if he kept up his appeal but he just wanted closure
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How can you be so wrong everyday. Even the great Tom Brady eventually threw in the towel and served his 4 game suspension. Yes, EE can drag it through the courts but, does he want to and does the NFLPA want to. Probably not! I don't have a clue whether the Commissioner will eventually hand down a suspension but, if he does, I lay some money that EE will do his suspension.
 
LittleD said:
I'm sorry but, the NFL does not have to be careful here. They have tons of lawyers to take this through the courts if necessary and once it get to the Supreme Court if it does, EE will be serving his suspension should one be issued by the Commissioner. The Supreme Court routinely sides with Business on workplace rules and the power granted to the league by the CBA. It's EE that needs to be humble and extremely careful about his actions.
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Why would it go to the Supreme Court? What constitutional issue is at stake here? :huh:
 
LittleD said:
How can you be so wrong everyday. Even the great Tom Brady eventually threw in the towel and served his 4 game suspension. Yes, EE can drag it through the courts but, does he want to and does the NFLPA want to. Probably not! I don't have a clue whether the Commissioner will eventually hand down a suspension but, if he does, I lay some money that EE will do his suspension.
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Brady was caught red-handed but the NFL still went too far with the punishment

Brady would've probably prevailed because other equipment cheaters got fines but he didn't want to risk a post season suspension if the timing was wrong....... they knew Garopollo could handle the first 4 weeks with enough prep and that Brady would use it as revenge fuel for the rest of the year and they were proven correct

If EE is charged with some sex crime or DV case he will fight for his good name and the NFLPA will back him
 
tyke1doe said:
Why would it go to the Supreme Court? What constitutional issue is at stake here? :huh:
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Because we live in a society that you are innocent until proven guilty. And if there is no guilty verdict handed out by the courts than no entity, business or organization can change those rulings just because they want to. The NFL and Goddell are not judicial organization. They should leave it up to the courts to decide.
 
aria said:
Lol, ok chief. I'm out then. I would normally argue with you but I can already see it's pointless. I'm actually having real conversations with reasonable people although we have different opinions. You're "logic" is whacked...get it Marlon?
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TKO
 
ConstantReboot said:
Because we live in a society that you are innocent until proven guilty. And if there is no guilty verdict handed out by the courts than no entity, business or organization can change those rulings just because they want to. The NFL and Goddell are not judicial organization. They should leave it up to the courts to decide.
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You misunderstood my post. The Supreme Court hears only matters that raise a question of constitutionality. So what is the constitutional issue here? If there is no constitutional issue, this case wouldn't go to the Supreme Court. And if it did, it would be rejected outright.
 
ConstantReboot said:
Because we live in a society that you are innocent until proven guilty. And if there is no guilty verdict handed out by the courts than no entity, business or organization can change those rulings just because they want to. The NFL and Goddell are not judicial organization. They should leave it up to the courts to decide.
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Oh, and "innocent until proven guilty" is a criminal standard. The Supreme Court is not a criminal court. People don't come before the court to be proven innocent or guilty.
 
tyke1doe said:
You misunderstood my post. The Supreme Court hears only matters that raise a question of constitutionality. So what is the constitutional issue here? If there is no constitutional issue, this case wouldn't go to the Supreme Court. And if it did, it would be rejected outright.
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Yes your probably right. I'm not quite familiar what type of trail goes to the supreme court. However, there are many issues that have gone to the supreme court that has nothing to do with the constitution. As for Zeke's case, it really doesn't have to go to the supreme court. It can go to any court in the U.S. that would take this case. Heck Zeke can file a lawsuit against the NFL for the defamation of character and could probably win in court. Can you imagine what type of negative publicity the NFL will get when trying to punish someone who didn't convict a crime? Thus I really doubt that the NFL has no reason whatsoever to suspend Zeke and why should they. This is nothing more than hyperbole.
 
tyke1doe said:
Oh, and "innocent until proven guilty" is a criminal standard. The Supreme Court is not a criminal court. People don't come before the court to be proven innocent or guilty.
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Like I stated on my previous court. It doesn't have to reach the supreme court. Any court can take this issue and may even overrule the suspension. I doubt that the suspension will be carried out. There would be too much negative publicity and it will seem that Goddell has other motives. The supreme court may not be a criminal court. But the standards of innocent until proven guilty will still stand and the NFL will need to answer why they are suspending Zeke when there is no crime involved. Thus suspending Zeke is foolish and stupid and doubt it will ever happen. But who knows - Goddell is nothing more than a Mara puppet and will do anything he commands.
 
ConstantReboot said:
Yes your probably right. I'm not quite familiar what type of trail goes to the supreme court. However, there are many issues that have gone to the supreme court that has nothing to do with the constitution. As for Zeke's case, it really doesn't have to go to the supreme court. It can go to any court in the U.S. that would take this case. Heck Zeke can file a lawsuit against the NFL for the defamation of character and could probably win in court. Can you imagine what type of negative publicity the NFL will get when trying to punish someone who didn't convict a crime? Thus I really doubt that the NFL has no reason whatsoever to suspend Zeke and why should they. This is nothing more than hyperbole.
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Fair enough.

I will say that Zeke would lose a defamation of character lawsuit. It's very difficult for him to prove the NFL defamed him. And the NFL would be shielded from defamation via privileged information. What that means is you can repeat and act on information that comes from an official government source or shared in an official meeting. Legal charges represent privileged information. Now, he could probably sue his ex-girlfriend, but I think he wants to be done with her.

Personally, I'm not worried about Zeke being suspended. Either he committed the act, or he didn't. If he didn't and Goodell tries to suspend him, the union and Jones would be all over him, and Goodell would lose the public war in this case.
 
ConstantReboot said:
Like I stated on my previous court. It doesn't have to reach the supreme court. Any court can take this issue and may even overrule the suspension. I doubt that the suspension will be carried out. There would be too much negative publicity and it will seem that Goddell has other motives. The supreme court may not be a criminal court. But the standards of innocent until proven guilty will still stand and the NFL will need to answer why they are suspending Zeke when there is no crime involved. Thus suspending Zeke is foolish and stupid and doubt it will ever happen. But who knows - Goddell is nothing more than a Mara puppet and will do anything he commands.
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LOL! I basically said the same thing, but I was writing my response as you were submitting yours. :)
 
aria said:
It's tough, 20 years of mediocrity with the most recent playoff appearance resulting in a loss isn't easy.

My "roommate" couldn't care less about Zeke because they made him such a small factor. Can't say I disagree but hey, the straegy didn't work the first two times so why not try the same thing again. Third times a charm, right?
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Remind him we finished first in our division which is more important than head to head matchup outcomes.
 
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aria said:
I'm not even worried about it. Based on what we know, I don't think anything will come of it. If new information comes out then perhaps he deserves it but until then I don't see the problem.

Even if he is suspended for a game or two, so be it, we'll be fine. With our o line we can use almost any RB and have success. Not as much success as Zeke obviously but certainly enough to win games. Plus we still have a great qb and anove average receivers. Although I do wish the NFL would get this over with, people are making too big of a deal of it.
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I'm not sure anyone is saying there's a conspiracy against the Cowboys.

What many are wondering regarding this incident is how could it take so long. How can the accuser get caught red handed via texts trying to coerce a witness to lie and still the investigation goes on?

Can you name an investigation against another team that lasted this long? Do you know of another team being investigated by a person who holds season tickets to one other that teams biggest rivals and has been reported as having a Giants shrine in her house? If so maybe some who think the Cowboys are getting special treatment would feel better that this is normal.

There are some conflicts of interest coupled with a very long investigation that make some wonder, at this point, If this is a reasonable investigation.
 
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