John Clayton on EE suspension

[InDakWeTrust]

Who said they think EE should be suspended? Serious question, I haven't seen that. Qoute or link?

I'm not going back through twenty pages, but the crowd that is insinuating that EE is the worst person alive and he should be in church everyday from 6a-6p and be training 6p-11p without socializing needs to realize that this is what the younger generation does now.

This also applies to those that don't like his feed me celebrations or the Salvation Army TD that energized this team and an actual organization that helps people. I watch to be entertained and turn off my disagreements that I have with family, friends and fellow friends.

 

[LittleD]

I'm not going back through twenty pages, but the crowd that is insinuating that EE is the worst person alive and he should be in church everyday from 6a-6p and be training 6p-11p without socializing needs to realize that this is what the younger generation does now.

This also applies to those that don't like his feed me celebrations or the Salvation Army TD that energized this team and an actual organization that helps people. I watch to be entertained and turn off my disagreements that I have with family, friends and fellow friends.

Quit diving off the cliff. I don't think many here believe EE is a bad person...I sure don't. He is immature, impetuous and doesn't always think
things through before he acts. Hopefully, with some maturity and coaxing from Witten, he will come out shining from the other side. Most on this board have said what could happen to him if the NFL wanted to make an example. I hope they will not and Zeke will grow up just a little. Actually, it wouldn't do him any harm to spend a little more time in the church of his choice.

 

[aria]

I'm not going back through twenty pages, but the crowd that is insinuating that EE is the worst person alive and he should be in church everyday from 6a-6p and be training 6p-11p without socializing needs to realize that this is what the younger generation does now.

This also applies to those that don't like his feed me celebrations or the Salvation Army TD that energized this team and an actual organization that helps people. I watch to be entertained and turn off my disagreements that I have with family, friends and fellow friends.

I don't think anyone is insinuating that, they just want him to be more careful with his decisions.

Yes, it does.

And that's why you made the erroneous point that it was before a 'critical game.'

If it didn't matter, you would not have made that point. And that's why I corrected you.



The Dez call is a judgment call by the officials and it didn't have the impact nearly as much as any of the calls that have been mentioned. Everybody points to Hitchens' non-call, but they always forget to mention that Pettigrew grabbed his facemask prior to alleged PI.

I will always revert to the NBA and Tim Donaghy.

After Donaghy was arrested, the FBI did a thorough investigation on whether or not he actually fixed games. The FBI came to the conclusion that Donaghy did *not* fix any games. In fact, they were able to point to particular games Donaghy refereed where he ejected the star player of the team he bet on.

What Donaghy did was prior to each game he would talk with the other refs he was working with and would gather how they were going to call the game. He then would bet on the team that he thought was going to get screwed over. And he was right a whopping 78% of the time (78% in gambling is outrageous).

All from just gathering intelligence of how the other refs felt in that game.

I can't reconcile the idea that there are no NFL refs that are the same way.






YR

I only said it was before a critical game because I thought it was before the Detroit game. It doesn't matter how YOU look it, some people (ie Detroit fans or Cowboys haters) saw it differently. I remember reading tons of comments online afterwards or later in the year whenever calls went in favor of the Cowboys.

That's my entire point, all these penalties, non calls, suspensions, whatever are perceived differently depending on who benefits and who doesn't. Just like you think the non call on Dez was just a "judgement call" and not nearly as costly as the other calls...try telling that to a Detroit fan.

Anything can be painted to tilt views a certain way and there is absolutely no evidence that there is "bias" FOR or AGAINST the Cowboys.

 

[viman96]

Pipes, bongs or whatever name they use

 

[phildadon86]

I don't think anyone is insinuating that, they just want him to be more careful with his decisions.

I only said it was before a critical game because I thought it was before the Detroit game. It doesn't matter how YOU look it, some people (ie Detroit fans or Cowboys haters) saw it differently. I remember reading tons of comments online afterwards or later in the year whenever calls went in favor of the Cowboys.

That's my entire point, all these penalties, non calls, suspensions, whatever are perceived differently depending on who benefits and who doesn't. Just like you think the non call on Dez was just a "judgement call" and not nearly as costly as the other calls...try telling that to a Detroit fan.

Anything can be painted to tilt views a certain way and there is absolutely no evidence that there is "bias" FOR or AGAINST the Cowboys.

Please explain the penalty on Butler then. Id love to hear your take on it.

 

[aria]

Please explain the penalty on Butler then. Id love to hear your take on it.

Perhaps you're not understanding me correctly. I don't disagree with you that calls haven't gone our way, Butler included. I also realize calls do go our way (ie Dez and the non PI call). All that I get from that is that the NFL is inconsistent and some officials are horrible. If bias does exist, I don't see it consistently favoring or hurting one team in particular.

As I said in another thread, I joined a Survivor League last year so for the first time evervI bought the NFL package and watched soooo many games more than usual. That's what really opened my eyes to just how bad officiating is in the NFL. It was disgusting. I saw more officials determine the outcome of a game due to calls than I ever thought possible (no I don't remember them) but I do remember thinking "if I was a fan of xyz team I'd be pissed.

I can't say for certainty that bias doesn't exist in the NFL but I can't say it does based on some bad and beneficial calls that I've seen happen with every team.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Perhaps you're not understanding me correctly. I don't disagree with you that calls haven't gone our way, Butler included. I also realize calls do go our way (ie Dez and the non PI call). All that I get from that is that the NFL is inconsistent and some officials are horrible. If bias does exist, I don't see it consistently favoring or hurting one team in particular.

As I said in another thread, I joined a Survivor League last year so for the first time evervI bought the NFL package and watched soooo many games more than usual. That's what really opened my eyes to just how bad officiating is in the NFL. It was disgusting. I saw more officials determine the outcome of a game due to calls than I ever thought possible (no I don't remember them) but I do remember thinking "if I was a fan of xyz team I'd be pissed.

I can't say for certainty that bias doesn't exist in the NFL but I can't say it does based on some bad and beneficial calls that I've seen happen with every team.

The officiating is beyond bad.

 

[windjc]

Quit diving off the cliff. I don't think many here believe EE is a bad person...I sure don't. He is immature, impetuous and doesn't always think
things through before he acts. Hopefully, with some maturity and coaxing from Witten, he will come out shining from the other side. Most on this board have said what could happen to him if the NFL wanted to make an example. I hope they will not and Zeke will grow up just a little. Actually, it wouldn't do him any harm to spend a little more time in the church of his choice.

Church? What a joke.

 

[aria]

The officiating is beyond bad.

For the first time ever I came closer than a gnats brow from not watching the NFL anymore. It was extremely frustrating to watch 60 minutes of football only to see the officials determine who won and lost.

Even if it went in favor of a team I picked it was still disappointing. Players and coaches put too much time and work into these games only to have some clown ruin a possible win. In the long run it could effect playoff chances, jobs, fans livelihoods, etc.

I'd blame a good portion of it on the rules themselves not just the officials.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

You failed to mention Dez taking off his helmet, running on the field with the defense still out there and arguing with an official. That's two penalties that could have been called. I was furious at Dez but we got some "bias" go our way.

This happens every game.
Is never a flag.
Didn't deserve a flag.
Happened multiple times in that game.
Was only an issue to biased individuals searching for any reason to take away from the victory.
Got to stop listening to that "roommate". My suggestion would be to move the mirror.

 

[aria]

This happens every game.
Is never a flag.
Didn't deserve a flag.
Happened multiple times in that game.
Was only an issue to biased individuals searching for any reason to take away from the victory.
Got to stop listening to that "roommate". My suggestion would be to move the mirror.

Lol, happens every game? Do you watch football? Shouldn't have been a flag? Are you joking?

I guess I shouldn't have been screaming at Dez through the tv since it "happened multiple times in that game". I should have known its so common for a player to take his helmet off and run on the field to argue with an official after a call he didn't agree with. What was I thinking?

People like you are exactly what I'm talking about. You justify things in your head because its in favor of a team you love. If that was a Detroit player there would have been a 20 page thread on here talking about how the call changed the entire outcome of the game and the NFL hates the Cowboys.

Being rational isn't your strong point but I give an A+ for homerism.

I'd listen to my "roomate" but that would require a phone call, he moved out last weekend. I'll be sure to send him your regards when I talk to him next.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Lol, happens every game? Do you watch football? Shouldn't have been a flag? Are you joking?

I guess I shouldn't have been screaming at Dez through the tv since it "happened multiple times in that game". I should have known its so common for a player to take his helmet off and run on the field to argue with an official after a call he didn't agree with. What was I thinking?

People like you are exactly what I'm talking about. You justify things in your head because its in favor of a team you love. If that was a Detroit player there would have been a 20 page thread on here talking about how the call changed the entire outcome of the game and the NFL hates the Cowboys.

Being rational isn't your strong point but I give an A+ for homerism.

I'd listen to my "roomate" but that would require a phone call, he moved out last weekend. I'll be sure to send him your regards when I talk to him next.

You weren't thinking. You were parroting the conventional wisdom. Doesn't matter that it was wrong. Dez didn't take his helmet off like you claim. He plays offense. The pickup was while Dallas was on defense.

Now: Dean Blandino clarified the Bryant play Monday, telling NFL Network and Mike Florio that it's up to the judgment of the officials if a player who comes off the sidelines helmetless should be penalized. If a player on the field takes his helmet off after a play, he is to be flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. If a player comes off the sideline without his helmet, Blandino said the officials have a choice: If the player argues and is belligerent, he should be flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. If he argues mildly or does something else, that is up to the officials' discretion.

REMOVAL OF HELMET (h) Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play during a celebration or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player.

Not a penalty. Condescending while wrong is an ugly combination.

Suh in the same game
http://i.imgur.com/u7NjfUr.jpg

 

[aria]

You weren't thinking. You were parroting the conventional wisdom. Doesn't matter that it was wrong. Dez didn't take his helmet off like you claim. He plays offense. The pickup was while Dallas was on defense.

Now: Dean Blandino clarified the Bryant play Monday, telling NFL Network and Mike Florio that it's up to the judgment of the officials if a player who comes off the sidelines helmetless should be penalized. If a player on the field takes his helmet off after a play, he is to be flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. If a player comes off the sideline without his helmet, Blandino said the officials have a choice: If the player argues and is belligerent, he should be flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. If he argues mildly or does something else, that is up to the officials' discretion.

REMOVAL OF HELMET (h) Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play during a celebration or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player.

Not a penalty. Condescending while wrong is an ugly combination.

Suh in the same game
http://i.imgur.com/u7NjfUr.jpg

Oh, so Blandino who is connected to Jerry and the head of officiating is the one who came to the defense of the non call. Surprise. Dez was in the guys face yelling and flailing his arms around, I guess that's "mild" or maybe the officials were Cowboys fans and wanted them to win. After all it's Americas team and they get the best ratings and make the most money. Goodell had to protect his money and ratings maker, you know he may not want them to win but he needs them to win.

That's the kind of BS that other fans would and did say. Look dude, we can go in circles all day but you'll never get my point. Go watch some more Alex Jones and don't forget to check your phone lines.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Blandino who is connected to Jerry a

Go watch some more Alex Jones

Makes up a conspiracy, accuses someone of believing a conspiracy? I'm simply correcting your misstatement that Dez removed his helmet or should have been flagged for doing so. You should calm down.

 

[Jake]

19 pages and still no suspension. Camp can't get here soon enough.

 

[aria]

Makes up a conspiracy, accuses someone of believing a conspiracy? I'm simply correcting your misstatement that Dez removed his helmet or should have been flagged for doing so. You should calm down.

"I'm perfectly calm Dude". "Calmer than you are, calmer than you are".

Thank you for the correction, I clearly forgot he didn't have his helmet on but rather ran on the field with it off. That doesn't change my point, in matter of fact I could use the whole "judgement" thing to support it but this isn't going anywhere which is fine.

I'll continue to believe that the officiating in the NFL is a joke and inconsistent with calls that go for and against us and you can continue to believe whatever it is that makes you happy to wake up every day.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Ok, well this isn't family, you don't know him neither do I. He's a professional athlete that plays a game for a living, he's an investment. This isn't the mob Marlon so stop acting like he's "family".

An investment? If that's true it's paid dividends last year. You're so concerned about a crazy ex who had friends say she asked if she should do this. Yet this somehow has turned into Zeke making bad decisions. Give me a break he is an asset to the team, and if suspended it will be met with an appeal and the NFLPA fighting it. Why? Because all the proof we've seen is this was a setup. If he is suspended over being setup, and investigated by someone who is a Giants that did nothing over John Brown it will be the biggest crock. I wouldn't be surprised to see outrage accrossed the league.

 

[DogFace]

I noticed you left a lot out. Do you sit in the meeting room and know for a fact the Giants season ticket holder is the one delaying this? Do you know for a fact that they don't have more information that we're not aware of?

You do have think other NFL employees have favorite teams or does the "bias" only apply to season ticket holders?

You failed to mention Dez taking off his helmet, running on the field with the defense still out there and arguing with an official. That's two penalties that could have been called. I was furious at Dez but we got some "bias" go our way.

I agree, penalties (ie holding, PI, etc) occur every play and don't get called but not with an official staring right at him which was clear during the replay and with a jersey pulled off his shoulder.

Your right about the timing of the call. The non call on Dez was a perfect example that went in our favor.

Keep seeing what you want to see. As I've said, it goes both ways and it sucks.

I'm so sure that's why you were furious with Dez. Yes. That play was not good and could've been called. Maybe the officials knew he was right and it was a bad call backed up by the fact that they picked up the flag.
What is the other "a lot" I left out and I'll address it to help you understand. Dez taking off his helmet and running onto the field could is two separate penalties?
Pretty sure if they judged that to be unsportsmanlike it would be one incident.



As you should know all I know about the situation is a Giant season ticket holder who is a life long fan and daughter of a life long fan and grew up in a family where the Giants were a very big part of their lives is heading the investigation. The same investigation that has lasted over a year despite the fact that the woman was caught by the POLICE investigating the incident trying to coerce another witness to lie and say Zeke assalted her.

You remind me of another poster who hasn't posted in a while. He'd be proud YOU'RE carrying on his fight.

 

[DogFace]

Perhaps you're not understanding me correctly. I don't disagree with you that calls haven't gone our way, Butler included. I also realize calls do go our way (ie Dez and the non PI call). All that I get from that is that the NFL is inconsistent and some officials are horrible. If bias does exist, I don't see it consistently favoring or hurting one team in particular.

As I said in another thread, I joined a Survivor League last year so for the first time evervI bought the NFL package and watched soooo many games more than usual. That's what really opened my eyes to just how bad officiating is in the NFL. It was disgusting. I saw more officials determine the outcome of a game due to calls than I ever thought possible (no I don't remember them) but I do remember thinking "if I was a fan of xyz team I'd be pissed.

I can't say for certainty that bias doesn't exist in the NFL but I can't say it does based on some bad and beneficial calls that I've seen happen with every team.

The examples you've used were poor examples because you've been told why they were the correct calls by @Yakuza Rich. The PI was incorrect. The none call on Dez was a judgment as explained by BLANDINO as @Yakuza Rich told you.

The Butler call lacks any reasonable explanation and was called twice since the early 1980's. Last time, coincidently, favored the Cowboys and was by the same ref. I wonder if he remembers that play. It cost us 30+ yards, as sure score in a game we lost by 3 points, and momentum which is key.

 

[aria]

An investment? If that's true it's paid dividends last year. You're so concerned about a crazy ex who had friends say she asked if she should do this. Yet this somehow has turned into Zeke making bad decisions. Give me a break he is an asset to the team, and if suspended it will be met with an appeal and the NFLPA fighting it. Why? Because all the proof we've seen is this was a setup. If he is suspended over being setup, and investigated by someone who is a Giants that did nothing over John Brown it will be the biggest crock. I wouldn't be surprised to see outrage accrossed the league.

The examples you've used were poor examples because you've been told why they were the correct calls by @Yakuza Rich. The PI was incorrect. The none call on Dez was a judgment as explained by BLANDINO as @Yakuza Rich told you.

The Butler call lacks any reasonable explanation and was called twice since the early 1980's. Last time, coincidently, favored the Cowboys and was by the same ref. I wonder if he remembers that play. It cost us 30+ yards, as sure score in a game we lost by 3 points, and momentum which is key.

An investment? If that's true it's paid dividends last year. You're so concerned about a crazy ex who had friends say she asked if she should do this. Yet this somehow has turned into Zeke making bad decisions. Give me a break he is an asset to the team, and if suspended it will be met with an appeal and the NFLPA fighting it. Why? Because all the proof we've seen is this was a setup. If he is suspended over being setup, and investigated by someone who is a Giants that did nothing over John Brown it will be the biggest crock. I wouldn't be surprised to see outrage accrossed the league.

This has all been addressed already. It's pointless debating with someone like you. You want to complain about the Butler call? For the record, I didn't like it either but according to you a rule is a rule and he broke it. It doesn't matter how many times it's been called. Just like most of the time a player who pulled what Dez did would get flagged but didn't, Butler did. Not to mention you have negated some of the non calls I brought up essentially saying it wasn't that big of a deal due to timing. The Cowboys had more than enough time to make up for the Butler BS. Somewhat related, just like the Dez non catch against GB. According to the rules it was the correct call which they have since changed.

Yes, an investment and if you're not concerned about his behavior and want to see this possibky dragged throuh the appeals process then I don't what to tell you. Outrage across the league? Haha I hardly doubt it, not all players wear the same blinders you do and even though it could possibly effect them I doubt it would cause "outrage". As I've said the NFL could come out with more facts that we don't know which is why this taking so long.