Johnny Manziel and RGIII mega thread **merged**

[Cebrin]

Jerry will go with Manziel. He practically said as much in this interview.

“Let’s just put it like this: We all would be aware that to bet on [Kellen] Moore for our backup quarterback has elements of risk to it,” Jones said on 105.3 The Fan. “I’m not so sure that that’s any riskier than anything you would do with a decision in the future. On the other hand, what would enhance me taking risk is a big bigger upside. If that upside is there, that ol’ risk-reward situation, then yeah. This is as far as we’re going to go here now with this, because I don’t want to get involved in any type of tampering situation. We’d take some risk.”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports...orner-blog/article53090935.html#storylink=cpy

I listened to this whole interview, and they took this quote out of context. Before saying this, they mentioned QB's in the draft at the top being somewhat projects, still needing work. Then asked if it was worth the risk of a top 4 pick so to speak. I didn't at all get the impression he was discussing Johnny at all.

 

[Cebrin]

If they we're my options, I'd take Johnny. Watching his games this year made me change my mind about him at the pro level. i mean, the kid is in Cleveland. The O Line play was terrible this year, and he still did some impressive things with limited talent around him, and hardly any time to get a rhythm to the game. As far as his trouble issues, I get a sense that he has been miserable there from day 1. He didnt even seem happy about it on draft day. I dont think the coach liked him to begin with, and looked for any excuse to keep him on the bench. He has a quick releases, solid pocket awareness, and decent footwork. His accuracy isnt bad either. RG3 is not a NFL QB. His success was due to Shanahan building a college scheme around him. Dallas has already shown theyre not changing schemes any time soon.

 

[MikeT22]

Romo has had how many collar bone breaks, back surgeries, broken ribs, punctured lung etc.....Washington ever changing offense scheme was the issue, not RG3...I heard this same nonsense when the Cowboys signed McFadden, if he would have started from day one, he would have been challenging AP for the rushing lead.....just because a player didn't work out because of injury or coaching changes and philosphy somewhere else, doesn't always mean he doesn't have talent or value..

I don't think RGIII's problems is just injury related. But his main strength is his running ability which could be hampered.

But, I just don't think he's a good QB. I don't even think we'd be interested if he weren't a former first round pick and surrounded by a lot of hype. Jerry loves the shiny objects even if it's just fools gold.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

And which rookie would you be referring too, Showers, who will never be a quarterback or the half dozen that will be signed this off season and then cut days or weeks later for someone else, none of which would have the ability or talent of RG3

I'm working under the assumption that we will spend an early pick on a QB. If my choices are Showers or RG3 or something similar, yea, give me RG3, but if those are the choices, we failed this offseason

 

[Nightman]

I seriously cant believe we are actually discussing if we want RG3 or JF....................this is seriously rock bottom guys

Did you not watch this season? That was rock bottom.

RGIII, Kap, JF, Foles and other guys that might be let go can at least win a few games in this league.

That is all we are looking for. A one year back up to Romo to bridge the gap to when Goff/Lynch/Wentz can be the man.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Reading this thread gives me a headache.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I seriously cant believe we are actually discussing if we want RG3 or JF....................this is seriously rock bottom guys

Reminds me of the Henson/Hutchinson threads. Those couldn't suck enough either.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Goff or Lynch.............I seriously don't know how you pass on either if plan B is "RG3 and out" or "Billy Manzel"

They may go 1-2 or 3 in a trade up.

Neither QB will last to 4, IMhumbleO.

 

[Nightman]

They may go 1-2 or 3 in a trade up.

Neither QB will last to 4, IMhumbleO.

Trades that high are pretty rare.

TENN isn't taking a QB and either is SD

CLE has to decide on JF and the new FO hasn't been hired yet.

I can't see anyone giving up a RGIII haul to come up and get Goff or Lynch and that is what the GM will be judged against.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm no Fisher fan, but this season has given us a pretty good look at what Garrett's record would be here with Case Keenum and Nick Foles at QB instead of Romo too.

Point taken. But then again he had Vince Young when he was good and ruined him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Trades that high are pretty rare.

TENN isn't taking a QB and either is SD

CLE has to decide on JF and the new FO hasn't been hired yet.

I can't see anyone giving up a RGIII haul to come up and get Goff or Lynch and that is what the GM will be judged against.

Your right about TENN but i'm not sure about the Chargers. They were the same team that drafted Rivers when they had Brees. I don't think they're afraid to draft quarterback.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's true but why try to upgrade?

Why try to upgrade backup QB? You like Moore?

Who will hopefully be drafted at the 4 spot...

I'm not against it but i'd be highly disappointed if Bosa is there and they pass him up.

Agreed but get one that can semi run a pro style offense and read a defense. I would rather stick with Moore than either RG3 or JFF.

Ehhh........i'm not for that. RGIII regardless of what offense he ran has shown he can a winner in this league. I've seen nothing from Johnny or Kellen. Johnny doesn't even want to read the playbook and being that he would be a clipboard holder here he's probably a waste of time.

Who wouldn't stay? Jerry is famous for paying non productive people who make few good decisions. The Cowboys are the best job any one could have.

Bill Callahan? Will McClay has been far from being non productive. He'd make more money as a GM. He's not doing this because its "easy" to have a job here. THat's insane.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Might as well be Manziel. Jerry Jones covets marquee players that sell tickets. he loves controversey because it sells. That's why his favorite players are the guys like TO, Dez, anybody that keeps his team's name in the headlines.

"There is no substitute for winning"- Jerry Jones

Yeah, right. Tell it to some other fan, Jerry, one less naive, one that never wittnessed what a great team actually looks like, what winning really feels like.

As far as this franchise is concerned, winning has nothing to do with playoffs, rings, or titles. It's all about filling his stadium and selling jerseys. Cowboys are elite in that aspect.........yay!

Cowboys have been selling tickets long before Johnny Football was even born. They don't need him to "sell" tickets. They sold tickets winning 4 games last season.....

 

[ShortRound]

Johnny Manziel and RGIII mega thread **merged**

I can't believe it's come to this... can we just stay away from retreads and go young?

 

[LatinMind]

Theres going to be some serious hate on this forum in FA. Stephen Jones coming out and saying the team was going to go back and look up players they had rated high in previous drafts screams a smack in the face to a big crowd in this forum. Not personally but i wou;dve loved to see the faces of these people when they read it. Bring in Manziel or RG3. Test to see how bad they want to be in Dallas take a light deal to prove ur worth. If you stick reward. If not draft. I cant wait until March when the the nasty comes out in people and theyre typing like this

 

[TRUTH87]

 

[The Natural]

just get either one so that #4 pick isn't wasted on a 3 year redshirt. Preferably RG3

 

[Blackspider214]

RG3 is broken forever. The only reason why he had any success in 2012 was because he could run. His knees are made of mush now. He doesn't possess that threat. And he can't read a defense. He's a one read QB.

 

[pancakeman]

I listened to this whole interview, and they took this quote out of context. Before saying this, they mentioned QB's in the draft at the top being somewhat projects, still needing work. Then asked if it was worth the risk of a top 4 pick so to speak. I didn't at all get the impression he was discussing Johnny at all.

I appreciate the additional info. But Jerry's mention of avoiding "tampering" suggests to me he has another rostered pro (Manziel) in mind.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Reminds me of the Henson/Hutchinson threads. Those couldn't suck enough either.

C'mon Big Dog, those were some good times